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Homosexuality LGBTQI and the deen

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    hawk99
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    Depends how one sees "sin". If you think commiting sin means a -1 or a -2 in your account balance then maybe being "homosexual" isn't " such a sin".

    However, if you think sin is all actions and behaviours that hinder you from the Divine Light, then maybe you'll know that there isn't such thing as "such a sin".

    It is not "how one sees" but what Allah says.

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      Bender
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      It is not "how one sees" but what Allah says.

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      Agreed, our opinions will not affect His opinion.

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        Man_of_Faith
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        But our opinions may account for something.

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          Cerberus
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          It is not "how one sees" but what Allah says.

          God has given us eyesight and hearing and hearts to understand what He says. That is what we seek. However,
          some people expect God to make them a drawing of what is sinful and what is not.

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            virginia
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            Depends how one sees "sin". If you think commiting sin means a -1 or a -2 in your account balance then maybe being "homosexual" isn't " such a sin".

            However, if you think sin is all actions and behaviours that hinder you from the Divine Light, then maybe you'll know that there isn't such thing as "such a sin".

            So? Did God forget to send a revelation for such a capital sin??? He left us without clear signs?

            I will admit it is not clear, although the "unclear" inclines me to believe it is not a sin. Then just let's dont judge and dont oppress and dont discriminate righteous people in other matters, believers or whatever you want (how do you know with whom others sleep), and leave that matter to the Merciful, the Best Judge

            Salaaam peace

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              Bender
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              God has given us eyesight and hearing and hearts to understand what He says. That is what we seek. However,
              some people expect God to make them a drawing of what is sinful and what is not.

              Same argument can be used against your opinion.
              You or me have absolutely nothing to say about someone else's sexual preferences, it's not our business.

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                hawk99
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                God has given us eyesight and hearing and hearts to understand what He says.

                Agreed ;D

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                  Cerberus
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                  Do you think BELIEVERS care what X or Y has as a sexual preference ?

                  Believers know that, sexual or intimate acts should be made privately. First. Be it homosexuals or heterosexuals. Which is not the case in the societies where LGBT movement is a trend.

                  Second of all, you cannot project God's Laws on a perverted nudity-driven society.

                  Third of all, believers are too busy to care what you do in your spare time.

                  and finally, true believers support the Truth from God;

                  If in my opinion the Truth from God says homosexuality is a lewdness then it is, and that is my opinion, even if today's trend is about supporting homosexuality = "open-minded".

                  Just don't try to paint those who oppose your opinions as "close-minded" or "homophobic", that is freaking ridiculous and hypocrite.

                  No one is judging no one, if you ask me " Is Homosexuality ok" ? I'll replie "No". And that alone hurts many lost souls.

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                    virginia
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                    Do you think BELIEVERS care what X or Y has as a sexual preference ?

                    Believers know that, sexual or intimate acts should be made privately. First. Be it homosexuals or heterosexuals. Which is not the case in the societies where LGBT movement is a trend.

                    Second of all, you cannot project God's Laws on a perverted nudity-driven society.

                    Absolutely agreed, and when I say homosexual i don't mean gay parade!

                    Third of all, believers are too busy to care what you do in your spare time.

                    and finally, true believers support the Truth from God;

                    yes

                    If in my opinion the Truth from God says homosexuality is a lewdness then it is, and that is my opinion, even if today's trend is about supporting homosexuality = "open-minded".

                    Agreed we disagree peace

                    Just don't try to paint those who oppose your opinions as "close-minded" or "homophobic", that is freaking ridiculous and hypocrite.

                    I am really sorry if you thought such a thing, it was not my intention at all, and I apologize.

                    I was just saying that homosexuality is not an option, so I don't think the Merciful would create human beings pre condemned to suffering and making others suffer.

                    I insist I am not talking about gay parade and all that lately "being gay is cool" thing in modern societies. Licentciousness is wrong in all things, not only that.

                    No one is judging no one, if you ask me " Is Homosexuality ok" ? I'll replie "No". And that alone hurts many lost souls.

                    I am sorry but telling someone that he is a sin just being him/her self sounded to me like "judging".

                    That is why I said since it is not clear, let's just be cool and be understanding and try the best of ourselves and bless everybody who does good and believes no matter whom he /she loves and sleeps with because it is not our business peace

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                      Cerberus
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                      I am sorry but telling someone that he is a sin just being him/her self sounded to me like "judging".

                      It doesn't concern us, but we still hold an opinion, whether we are supporting or not. And that also doesn't concern anyone, as long as we're not being discriminatory..."homophobic" people are discriminatory.

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                        virginia
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                        It doesn't concern us, but we still hold an opinion, whether we are supporting or not. And that also doesn't concern anyone, as long as we're not being discriminatory..."homophobic" people are discriminatory.

                        God does not like discrimination nope

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                          HP_TECH
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                          Very tough week ahead of me, but I will God willing demonstrate to you what you overlook much of the Quran in regards to this topic
                          and those of you who fear people more than you fear Allah will have no excuse after that... jedi

                          Remain patient and keep reading Quran

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                            Bender
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                            Very tough week ahead of me, but I will God willing demonstrate to you what you overlook much of the Quran in regards to this topic
                            and those of you who fear people more than you fear Allah will have no excuse after that... jedi

                            Remain patient and keep reading Quran

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                              yellowdog8272
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                              Just as a side note... a bit off-topic...
                              I find it fascinating that people get more emotionally upset from homosexuality than with all the killing, corruption and injustice going on. People will spit on homosexuals who do not disturb anyone, but they have no issues letting their children play GTA where you systematically run over people with your car, or any other shooting games or movies where murder is glorified.

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                                virginia
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                                but I will God willing demonstrate to you what you overlook much of the Quran in regards to this topic
                                and those of you who fear people more than you fear Allah will have no excuse after that... jedi

                                Remain patient and keep reading Quran

                                wow

                                yay

                                peace

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                                  imrankhawaja
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                                  i have a question from all who are supporting same sex relationship...

                                  why did not God give a clear commandment so that they legally live sex with eachother ... like male female relation ..

                                  i mean if you approach a women without wedlock it consider as fahisha..
                                  if you approach a man without wedlock what are the requirement to make it halal? rotfl

                                  confused

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                                    huruf
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                                    So what is wedlock?

                                    New human beings are born of the flesh relation between a female and a male not of any wedlock magic.

                                    Salaam

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                                      imrankhawaja
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                                      So what is wedlock?

                                      hmm good question , but i think its very difficult to answer what is wedding , you may contact event management they will provide you information what is wedlock.. as i feel they deal weddings everyday

                                      New human beings are born of the flesh relation between a female and a male not of any wedlock magic.

                                      deatail it i m afraid i did not understand properly...

                                      what i understand you try to say now a days due to magic new human beings born without wedlock hahaha

                                      well its an old magic not new

                                      unfortunately this thing you cannot apply to same sex with or without wedlock,,, hmm or may be if you know any magic like this let me know it will b a nice information for knowledge gaining

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                                        huruf
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                                        God's wedlock is precisely that flesh relation, wedlock as distinct from fleshrelation is a human fabrication which has given unhonourable humans a way out of the mithaq ghalith that is mentioned in the Qur'an regarding that relationship. Wedlock is that or is nothing, because if you do not take the flesh relation as the mithaq ghalith then you are saying in fact that wedlock between any two persons no matter the sex is perfectly possible, you are shooting your own foot.

                                        Hole is hte human relation between male and female because that is the source of new life, if not, it is nothing, and anything can be invented, wedlock, wedding, or whatever social entertainmen or legal paper but no social act and no paper will give birth to a new being.

                                        Salaam

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                                          Man_of_Faith
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                                          Nothing productive comes out of a same sex marriage. There will be no reproduction.

                                          One has a such marriage to stimulate the sensuality.

                                          Be well
                                          Amenuel

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