Your stand on alcohol consumption based on Quran

good_logic

Imran,you often play this game of grammar.
Well,the "singular "Hu" could apply to "Rijs" or "Shaytan? As a matter of fact it does not matter both should be avoided. Shaytan works is "Rijs" which include "Khamr"...Avoid Shaytan means avoid the "Rijs mean avoid "Khamr".
I give you my take,simple and easy to grasp.
I am not willing to follow your line of debate after this.
My opinion and my understanding .
You are entitled to yours also,except I fail to see why you dispute this?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

Imran,you often play this game of grammar.
Well,the "singular "Hu" could apply to "Rijs" or "Shaytan? As a matter of fact it does not matter both should be avoided.

so we are not sure yet what grammer is saying there becoz you cannot apply to both of them at same time otherwise we can say there is a gramner mistake and God dnt do mistakes isnt it
or we have to select the way we want it(wishful thinking) based on neglecting grammer rules

good_logic

I shall have one more go ,hopefully your game will end here.
Verse says "Rijsun min amali shaytan" then "Fajtanibuhu"
It does not matter which one you chose to apply your precious grammar to,GOD means they both lead .i.e to Avoid the lot.

1)If the "hu" in "Fajtanibuhu" applies to "Rijs" this will lead to avoid all the works of Shaytan and Shayrtan -All connected-.
2) if the "hu",,,applies to "Shaytan" this will lead to avoid shaytan and his "Rijs" which means all his works.

The grammar of GOD ,amazingly here ,leads to "Avoid the works of Shaytan which is "Rijs" which include the "Khamr".
Thank you for the conversation brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

almarh0m

Peace

Khamr in this world is Khamr in hereafter... so think about every verse that has the word khamr in it.

Salam

imrankhawaja

I shall have one more go ,hopefully your game will end here.
Verse says "Rijsun min amali shaytan" then "Fajtanibuhu"
It does not matter which one you chose to apply your precious grammar to,GOD means they both lead .i.e to Avoid the lot.

1)If the "hu" in "Fajtanibuhu" applies to "Rijs" this will lead to avoid all the works of Shaytan and Shayrtan -All connected-.
2) if the "hu",,,applies to "Shaytan" this will lead to avoid shaytan and his "Rijs" which means all his works.

The grammar of GOD ,amazingly here ,leads to "Avoid the works of Shaytan which is "Rijs" which include the "Khamr".
Thank you for the conversation brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

my game huh? elektro

used a wrong grammer again anyway forget it lets come back to the topic

590 O you who acknowledge, intoxicants, and gambling, and altars, and arrows of chance are tools of affliction used by the devil. You shall avoid him so that you may be successful. (you shall avoid him not THEM)

591 The devil only wants to cause strife between you through intoxicants and gambling, and to repel you away from remembering God and from the contact prayer. Will you then desist?

590 O you the ones who believe indeed the inebriant and the gambling and the monuments and the arrows filth from work the devil so avoid him that you may prosper

591 indeed intends the devil that cause between you the hostility and the hatred in the inebriant and the gambling and hinder you about remembrance The God and from the prayer so shall you (be) those who abstain?

ur point one and point two in the light of grammer are clearly a best example of gymnastic and wishful thinking specially in gymnastic there are lot of moves like you bring two steps with respect to wrong structure of interpretation

here you go another move this time
1667 and from fruits the date palm and the grapes you take from it sakaran/intoxicant and provision good indeed in that surely a sign for people who reason

awww this time mr devil and rijs both are missing
game just started my lovely brother and you declare the result not so fair giveup

good_logic

Imran,you know I am not interested in playing games,including those of chance. I avoid them.
Anyway, you can avoid just the devil if you want,
I avoid his "Rijs" that include "khamr" as well . By your logic you should not avoid gambling and the rest?
So, really that is all there is to say from me.
Thank you once again .
GOD bless you.
Peace.

huruf

I shall have one more go ,hopefully your game will end here.
Verse says "Rijsun min amali shaytan" then "Fajtanibuhu"
It does not matter which one you chose to apply your precious grammar to,GOD means they both lead .i.e to Avoid the lot.

1)If the "hu" in "Fajtanibuhu" applies to "Rijs" this will lead to avoid all the works of Shaytan and Shayrtan -All connected-.
2) if the "hu",,,applies to "Shaytan" this will lead to avoid shaytan and his "Rijs" which means all his works.

The grammar of GOD ,amazingly here ,leads to "Avoid the works of Shaytan which is "Rijs" which include the "Khamr".
Thank you for the conversation brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

I think the hu, refers to "rijs", the rijs that are all thouse things that are mentionned, the rijs min 3amali sh-shaytaan.

As to khamr in Paradise, great, I am all for it, but here we are not yet in Paradise and we know that speech about Paradise and Jahannam in Qur'an are mathal, so we take it from there, and keep the mathal for Pardise, here on earth khamr is not mathal but rijsun min 3amalish-shaytan.

On the other hand we already know all there is to know about this. Those who are determined to drink and feel good about it or to defend that stand, will find their permission to drink, even if they do not need it, since we are all free. Finding approval from others is not needed either and finding approval from God is between God and them. So, really, the rest is bandwidth usage.

Salaam

imrankhawaja

i think and if are best words introduce by language in which we have lot of margins and wishful thinkings too

hawk99

booze= bad, bad for liver, bad for kidneys, bad for heart yes

peace

imrankhawaja

Imran,you know I am not interested in playing games,including those of chance. I avoid them.
Anyway, you can avoid just the devil if you want,
I avoid his "Rijs" that include "khamr" as well . By your logic you should not avoid gambling and the rest?
So, really that is all there is to say from me.
Thank you once again .
GOD bless you.
Peace.

aww brother hahahaha u said i m playing games
and i was just discussing grammer not games
then i start playing grammer grammer yes mama
eating sugar no mama
becoz sugar is a dangerous thing to consume
if u use sugar for diabities patient it considered as work of devil so stay away from sugar

God bless you and yeh i always try to avoid devil but his tools are unable to avoid like laptop, mobile
guns, cameras, perfumes (specially one million is my fav always have in my cupboard) may God forgive me for using my fav brand and other satanic things line singing is also unable to avoid
i dnt know how to avoid all this
although mouthwash got alcohol so i m using "miswak" now a days just kidding

A_Submitter

Alcohol isnt haram...

imrankhawaja

grammer grammer little star
how i wonder what you are?

ups above the word(instead of world) so high
like a diamond in the sky

brother submitter is it haram to say lies about God?
ok tell me one more thing what is the catagory of mixing truth with falsehood? partially haram isnt it

A_Submitter

grammer grammer little star
how i wonder what you are?

ups above the word(instead of world) so high
like a diamond in the sky

brother submitter is it haram to say lies about God?
ok tell me one more thing what is the catagory of mixing truth with falsehood? partially haram isnt it

Saying lies about God is a sin! 450.

imrankhawaja

Saying lies about God is a sin! 4.50.

exactly handshake

lie is also a sin ? let say if someone want to kill somebody and i lied to safe his life is it a sin?

A_Submitter

exactly handshake

lie is also a sin ? let say if someone want to kill somebody and i lied to safe his life is it a sin?

This is tricky ;D

imrankhawaja

This is tricky ;D

haha not really tricky

this time the tool of lie is useless for devil
so he make me think of speaking truth and he successful this time by using the tool of truth
poor person lose his life and i will have aleast one virgin in heaven for speaking truth peace

sometimes both tools didnt work for devil and he bring the third tool afraid of threating so i refuse to give a shelter to person due to fear of my own life risk this tool is tricky actually becoz instead of fearing God we fear from something else
tempt

devil is a piece of shit lol his only mission is to destroy us by whatever means

A_Submitter

haha not really tricky

this time the tool of lie is useless for devil
so he make me think of speaking truth and he successful this time by using the tool of truth
poor person lose his life and i will have aleast one virgin in heaven for speaking truth peace

some both tool didnt work for devil and he bring the third tool afraid of threating so i refuse to give a shelter to person due ti fear of my own life risk this tool is tricky actually becoz instead of fearing God we fear from something else
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But what if that somebody running away recently murdered innocent people and he's being hunted...and you lied to the hunters seeking justice? Then there wont be justice D . See its tricky

imrankhawaja

But what if that somebody running away recently murdered innocent people and he's being hunted...and you lied to the hunters seeking justice? Then there wont be justice D . See its tricky P

hahahah its really very tricky
if a person who convert from sunni to quran alone and want shelter then its totally depend on my faith of the time of event

if i m sunni too then i will probably not give him shelter
devil is still successful isnt it?

other way round what if he murdered a serial rapist or serial killer and now he is being hunted by them
voodoo

A_Submitter

hahahah its really very tricky
if a person who convert from sunni to quran alone and want shelter then its totally depend on my faith of the time of event

if i m sunni too then i will probably not give him shelter
devil is still successful isnt it?

other way round what if he murdered a serial rapist or serial killer and now he is being hunted by them
voodoo

Maybe its better to stop both sides and turn to court, but how will one person protect the hunted from a mob until they can go to court? &
Ok, a person kills a serial killer who killed one of his family members, so he sought justice but it was outside court, but now hes hunted by people who accuse him of being a murderer who dont know he killed a serial killer. He runs by you and then mob comes and asks you where he went. While you think of answer, you dont know why hes being hunted, and you dont know if they are seeking justice or if its all misunderstood. You only know they want to kill that guy.
I think the best answer is to say "I dont know". But thats a lie too?

A few problems

The guy didnt go through court and bring evidence. Instead he sought justice himself. He knew that guy was the serialkiller as he witnessed the death of his family member. So only he knows who the serial killer is.
The mob thinks hes a murderer of an innocent person, so they begin hunting him to kill, without the court.
If you said you dont know, it would be a lie, but you prevented that an innocent man is killed for seeking justice the wrong way.
The innocent man can be charged for taking matters into his own hands without turning to court.
Even then, the innocent man must prove the serial killer was a serial killer, otherwise he can face death if serial killers family want justice by death of wrongly accused.

I think this issue happened because he didnt turn to the court, or atleast the people and tell them he is the serial killer.

The point though is, alcohol isnt haram.

imrankhawaja

brother submittter you are making me scared now lol
i dnt want to get involved in any mystery murder
i m changing my parable

coming back to topic what about telling a kid about his drawing in which he write " i love you"
and u tell a truth to him about his bad hand writting confused
if i would be at ur place i will gona kiss that kid and tell him his handwritting is best in world group

thats what i was on about tool itself cannot be bad usage is what makes it good or bad
yes you are correct the list of haram items in quran did not include it due to a reason
author intelligence is far above humans