Something thought provoking
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But what if he shows arabic words, i cant read arabic. By the way i asked him that question now i may let you know when he responds because im not good with debating.
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Peace The Sardar.
The simple answer is do not debate him. Say he has his understanding and you have yours.
GOD s words are debating everyone for you. GOD showed Abraham how to debate with folks.
The best debate is in Qoran ,if anyone fails to see it,then your debate is going to make zero impact.
Allah is an Arabic word,Dieu is a French word, GOD is an English word...etc If you look the bible up you find the Arabic word for GOD is Allah even before Qoran. I do not see any issue.
If anyone says to you in any language "Allah" is the name of GOD and you cannot change it,say do you treat Allah like humans/animals and give him a special name? GOD forbid Allah/GOD/Dieu.... is unlike any of His creatures to be given a special name? All the good names are befitting Allah.
Hence if you speak to him about GOD in Arabic use Allah,in French use....etc.
My view brother.
GOD bless you.
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Now there is another guy commented on the post i was speaking to the man though he was not speaking to me.
He said When we consider something separate from us it becomes an object or a deity. Worshiping any object even if it is "God" is not acceptable and is tantamount to shirk and Allah is not a deity. La ilaha ilallah.
That left me so confused.
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Um hello?
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He said When we consider something separate from us it becomes an object or a deity.
Worshiping any object even if it is "God" is not acceptable and is tantamount to shirk and Allah is not a deity. La ilaha ilallah.
That left me so confused.
RED ask the evidence?
specially if there is something you can compare to true God (ch 112)BLUE , there is no diety but Allah.
God is not an object , using this word object for God is not suitable ..worship people take it as "ritual" to any diety or thing..
the word "ibada" mean to serve ..
serving Allah is not shirk.. serving true God is not shirk..
willingly or unwillingly everything in heavens and earth is serving God..GREEN no need to get confuse.. in fact the nature of God is beyond the perception of human mind.. so i guess your brother is also a human being like us.. he dnt have a built in super human mind to understand the nature of God.. peace
simple serving is to obey his commands that generate a peacemaking atmosphere around us..
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RED ask the evidence?
specially if there is something you can compare to true God (ch 112)BLUE , there is no diety but Allah.
God is not an object , using this word object for God is not suitable ..worship people take it as "ritual" to any diety or thing..
the word "ibada" mean to serve ..
serving Allah is not shirk.. serving true God is not shirk..
willingly or unwillingly everything in heavens and earth is serving God..GREEN no need to get confuse.. in fact the nature of God is beyond the perception of human mind.. so i guess your brother is also a human being like us.. he dnt have a built in super human mind to understand the nature of God.. peace
simple serving is to obey his commands that generate a peacemaking atmosphere around us..
You know something i noticed when he said La ilaha ilallah, he missed one last word la ilaha illa HUWA, which means there is no god but He. That means Allah (SWT) is denies false gods but saying he is The One True God. (If i get that right because thats what im seeing.)
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there are lot of other examples like this.
Allahu la ilaha illahuwa alhayyu alqayyoomu
Allah, there is no god except He, the Living/the Sustainer/EVERLASTING
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Man ever since this conversation i had with this man i cant tug of war in my mind about Allah (SWT) being a god or not a god, its been bothering me for a few days i honestly dont know what to think its true. Me personally i do believe Allah (SWT) is the One True God. But ever since that photo when quranist showed me, its tugging my mind that if i believe Allah is a god that would be shirk according to one quranist (which i find it weird and off) but at the if i dont acknowlagde Allah being a god i could be very mistaken and the outcome would be embarassing to me. Wow this thinking is rushing me. &
Here is the photo im talking about https//scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19424284_10209442930254605_5371361913832599540_n.jpg?oh=a449942d890e95c0b166a54766d355d8&oe=59C85468
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there are lot of other examples like this.
Allahu la ilaha illahuwa alhayyu alqayyoomu
Allah, there is no god except He, the Living/the Sustainer/EVERLASTING
I also found this 6413 Allahu la ilaha illahuwa waAAala Allahi falyatawakkali almu/minoona God! There is no deity but Him. On God, then, let the believers put their trust. Shabbir Ahmed (Quran As It Explains Itself)
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God = male diety
Goddess = female diety..thats something interesting to ponder about.
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God = male diety
Goddess = female diety..thats something interesting to ponder about.
Im not quite sure what this means. Our Lord is above all so Allah (SWT) does not a gender, The Gracious created the genders.
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Im not quite sure what this means. Our Lord is above all so Allah (SWT) does not a gender, The Gracious created the genders.
exactly thats what i wanted to tell you..
Allah is far above the laws and rules made by humans to categorized things, nature,gender etc..
dnt need to get confuse on the theories that based on theoretical understandings.. (Allah is far above whatever we associate with him)
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exactly thats what i wanted to tell you..
Allah is far above the laws and rules made by humans to categorized things, nature,gender etc..
dnt need to get confuse on the theories that based on theoretical understandings.. (Allah is far above whatever we associate with him)
On that we agree human brother Imran. Still cant get over this picture i showed yesterday. Something tells me this is not everything what it seems. If someone could research this picture i shown i would be thankful for this. By they way is it true that being a diety is highest of the highest right?
Here is a verse 139 AAalimu alghaybi waalshshahadatialkabeeru almutaAAali
The Knower of the unseen and the seen, the Great, the Most High.
Ayn-Lam-Waw = to be high, elevated, lofty, exalted, ascend, overcome, be proud/upon/over, go up, rise in rank or dignity, raise, take up, mount, overtop.
'Alaa (pap. 3rd. m. sing.) Overcome; Have dominated.
'Alau (prf. 3rd. m. plu. IV) They overcome, conquered.
Laa Ta'lau (prt. neg. m. plu.) Exalt not; Do not rise up.
Ta'lunna (imp. 2nd. m. plu. emp.) Ye will surely become overbearing.
Ta'aalaa High above (all).
Ista'laa (prf. 3rd. m. sing. X) Become uppermost; Successful.
'Aalin (act. pic. m. sing. juss.) Self-exalting one; Tyrant; Haughty.
'Aaliyan (act. pic. acc.) Self exalted one; Haughty.
'Aaliya Upside-over (Them).
'Aaliin (act. pic. m. plu.) Self exalting ones; Those who are haughty.
'Aaliyatun (act. pic. f sing.) High; Lofty.
'Ulaa (elative f. plu.) Lofty ones.
'Ulyaa (elative f. sing.) Supermost; Prevailing.
'Uluwwan (v. n. acc.) Great height; Overbearing.
'Aliiyyun (act. 2nd. pic.) The highest one. One of the names of Allah.
A'laa (m. sing. elative.) The great.
Al-A'laa The most high. One of the names of Allah.
A'launa (m. plu.) Overcoming ones; Triumphant.
'Illiyuuna / 'Illiyyiina (acc./ nom.) The highest of the places; Register of those enjoying the most exalted ranks. Its sing. is`Illiyyatun.
Muta'aal (ap-der. vb. VIII) Exalted.
Ta'aalau (prt. m. plu.) You come.
Ta'aalain (prt. f. plu.) You women come.ala vb. (1)
perf. act. 177, 2391, 284
impf. act. 174, 2731, 4419
n.vb. 174, 1743, 2714, 2883
pcple. act. 1083, 1182, 1574, 2346, 3875, 4431, 6922, 7621, 8810aliy n.m. (f. ula, comp. a'la) 2255, 3139, 434, 940, 1660, 1950, 1957, 204, 2068, 2075, 2262, 3027, 3130, 3423, 378, 3869, 4012, 424, 4251, 434, 4735, 537, 7924, 871, 9220
illiyun n. 8318, 8319
ta'ala vb. (6)
perf. act. 6100, 7190, 1018, 161, 163, 1743, 20114, 2392, 23116, 2763, 2868, 3040, 3967, 723
impv. 361, 364, 3167, 461, 5104, 6151, 3328, 635
pcple. act. 139ista'ala vb. (10) perf. act. 2064
Lane's Lexicon, Volume 5, pages 427, 428, 429, 430, 431, 432, 433 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=elw
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Still cant get over this picture i showed yesterday
like what?
explain it please so that i understand what is whatsoever you did not get over?
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like what?
explain it please so that i understand what is whatsoever you did not get over?
Its better if i show you why https//scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19424284_10209442930254605_5371361913832599540_n.jpg?oh=a449942d890e95c0b166a54766d355d8&oe=59C85468
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i read it , i did not find anything that i cant get over?
it appears to me the evolution of word "God" and the concepts related with that word..
same word khuda in persian , bhagwan in hindi, eshwar in sanskrit, in urdu/punjabi same word usage is rabba/mola/khudaya
while in arabic Allah is used
and quranic lisan used Allah as the proper addresse of the message..in english the word God is the interpretation of Allah as well as translation of a diety who is supreme being
now keeping in this mind then read this again
there is no (diety)god
except Allah/God/eshwar/rabb/khuda(note if somebody claim himself Allah and his name is Allah too it does not make him real Allah who deserve the serving)
same like raheem, rauf , rahman are names for general public but does they really raheem rauf and rehman.. even some of them are criminals lol..
let me know if thats what you are looking , the picture will not help if you will not share what you are looking for?
interesting thing about this word KHUDA it was also a name of a person or diety who believed as the fire God of persian people .. and some of muslim scholars are against using this word khuda for God..
God bless you
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i read it , i did not find anything that i cant get over?
it appears to me the evolution of word "God" and the concepts related with that word..
same word khuda in persian , bhagwan in hindi, eshwar in sanskrit, in urdu/punjabi same word usage is rabba/mola/khudaya
while in arabic Allah is used
and quranic lisan used Allah as the proper addresse of the message..in english the word God is the interpretation of Allah as well as translation of a diety who is supreme being
now keeping in this mind then read this again
there is no (diety)god
except Allah/God/eshwar/rabb/khuda(note if somebody claim himself Allah and his name is Allah too it does not make him real Allah who deserve the serving)
same like raheem, rauf , rahman are names for general public but does they really raheem rauf and rehman.. even some of them are criminals lol..
let me know if thats what you are looking , the picture will not help if you will not share what you are looking for?
interesting thing about this word KHUDA it was also a name of a person or diety who believed as the fire God of persian people .. and some of muslim scholars are against using this word khuda for God..
God bless you
Hmm.. this makes me think about, as i said about in first page i do not agree with this quranist because our minds cannot comprehend the true nature of Allah/God (SWT). Thank you human brother Imran this has cleared some things. I hope you & i are not wrong on this matter. May the Divine Infinite Creator (SWT) bless you & your family.
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https//scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19424284_10209442930254605_5371361913832599540_n.jpg?oh=a449942d890e95c0b166a54766d355d8&oe=59C85468
Peace all,
I haven?t read all the posts here, but please let me please add my poor acumen hoping it will help brother The Sardar with his problem about the origins of "god" and "deus".
Mr. Fiske published his work in 1886, and since then the Indoeuropean and Proto Indoeuropean reconstruction project has gone through a long way and has developed immensely.
There is a proto Indo-European root
?dh
Inner Light and MeditationOnce the Indo-Europeans had used the consonant d, symbol of light, to denote the divine (divya) and god (deva), they then used the d to mean ?to bear light ? within the human soul and they consequently formed the root dh ?to think in contemplation? or ?contemplative thinking?.
From dh came the word dhti ?devotion?, ?prayer? or ?meditation?, which, in Latin, corresponds to the word fides ?faith? ?
(Please, note that the development of indoeuropean dh > latin f is very common.
From "Comparative etymological Dictionary of classical Indo-European languages Indo-European - Sanskrit - Greek - Latin", Rendich Franco, p. 88 (2014)
From this, the root for Greek theos (ς and latin deus have been recognised
dyeu-
To shine (and in many derivatives, "sky, heaven, god". Zero-grades *dyu and *diw.
Derivatives include Tuesday, divine, jovial, Jupiter, diary, dismal, journey, and psychedelic.- Basic form *dyeu, Jove, the name of the god of the bright sky, head of the Indo-European pantheon.
- Jove, jovial; apojove, perijove, Sangiovese, from Latin Iovis, Jupiter, or Iov, stem of Iuppiter, Jupiter.
- July, from Latin Ilius, "descended from Jupiter" (name of a Roman gens), from derivative *iou-il.
- Vocative compound *dyeu-pter, "O father Jove" (*pter, father; see pter-). Jupiter, from Latin Iuppiter, Ipiter, head of the Roman pantheon.
- Dione, Zeus; dianthus, Dioscuri, from Greek Zeus (genitive Dios), Zeus.
- Noun *deiwos, god, formed by e-insertion to the zero-grade *diw and suffixation of (accented) -o.
- Tiu, Tuesday, from Old English Tw (genitive Twes), god of war and sky;
- Tyr, from Old Norse Tr, sky god. Both a and b from Germanic *Twaz.
- deism, deity, joss; adieu, adios, deific, deus ex machina, from Latin deus, god.
- diva, divine, from Latin dvus, divine, god.
- Dis, Dives, from Latin dves, rich (< "fortunate, blessed, divine".
- Suffixed zero-grade form *diw-yo, heavenly. Diana, from Latin Dina, moon goddess.
- deva, Devi; deodar, Devanagari, from Sanskrit deva, god, and deva, divine.
- Asmodeus, from Avestan dauua, spirit, demon.
- Variant *dy (< *dye‑ dial, diary, diet2, dismal, diurnal, journal, journey; adjourn, ajour?, circadian, meridian, postmeridian, quotidian, sojourn, from Latin dis, day.
- Variant *dei. psychedelic, adelgid, from Greek dlos (< *deyalos), clear.
From https//www.ahdictionary.com/word/indoeurop.html#IR031900
And also the Germanic Gott and English God
gheu(ə-
To call, invoke. Oldest form *gheu(h2/3), becoming *gheu(h2/3) in centum languages. Suffixed zero-grade form *ghu-to, "the invoked," god.- god, from Old English god, god;
- giddy, from Old English gydig, gidig, possessed, insane, from Germanic *gud-iga, possessed by a god;
- g?tterd?mmerung, from Old High German got, god. a-c all from Germanic *gudam, god.
From https//www.ahdictionary.com/word/indoeurop.html#IR031900
This root gheu(ə- is closely related to the root *ged-
*ged-
to join, to unite
Lith. guodas, Ltv. gods, Eng. gd/good, Gm. guot/gut, Goth. g?s; gds, ON g?r, Skr. (gadhya), OCS god, Russ. (god), Polish gody, Toch. ktk/ktkfrom https//en.wiktionary.org/wiki/AppendixList_of_Proto-Indo-European_roots/g%CA%B0
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Hmm.. this makes me think about, as i said about in first page i do not agree with this quranist because our minds cannot comprehend the true nature of Allah/God (SWT). Thank you human brother Imran this has cleared some things. I hope you & i are not wrong on this matter. May the Divine Infinite Creator (SWT) bless you & your family.
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God bless you too and your family my brother..
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Peace all,
I haven?t read all the posts here, but please let me please add my poor acumen hoping it will help brother The Sardar with his problem about the origins of "god" and "deus".
Mr. Fiske published his work in 1886, and since then the Indoeuropean and Proto Indoeuropean reconstruction project has gone through a long way and has developed immensely.
There is a proto Indo-European root
(Please, note that the development of indoeuropean dh > latin f is very common.
From "Comparative etymological Dictionary of classical Indo-European languages Indo-European - Sanskrit - Greek - Latin", Rendich Franco, p. 88 (2014)
From this, the root for Greek theos (ς and latin deus have been recognised
From https//www.ahdictionary.com/word/indoeurop.html#IR031900
And also the Germanic Gott and English God
From https//www.ahdictionary.com/word/indoeurop.html#IR031900
This root gheu(ə- is closely related to the root *ged-
from https//en.wiktionary.org/wiki/AppendixList_of_Proto-Indo-European_roots/g%CA%B0Wow now thats interesting! if you got more please keep them coming.
