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Project: 'Root List'

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    Timotheus
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    speaking from experience with the text file, which i use because most of the time im offline, it is quite hard to search, because of the inconsistencies in Naming/transliterating the Arabic letters. i have partially remedied this in the text file i use by renaming the radicals using a simple search and replace, to an easier transliteration, which i hope does not breach any kind copyright, as its only for my own personal use. Also that some entries are written as for example t-a/w-r. Which is very hard to search for, it would be better to be written as t-a-r / t-w-r for the sake of search ability. In the text file i use i have used the following to transliterate, mainly because I easily get confused with letters like Dhal, Thal, Za, Zay. and for the sake of searchability

    a
    b
    t
    th
    j
    H
    kh
    d
    dh
    r
    z
    s
    sh
    S
    D
    T
    TH
    A
    g
    f
    q
    k
    l
    m
    n
    h
    y
    w
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      Timotheus
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      Also, a changelog / version number in the files and on the website would be good so that we can keep updated.

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        Wakas
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        I agree with you on the standardisation of the letters. Different compilers led to this issue. This is somewhat remedied by the apps which you can use offline.

        There is a % complete on the homepage.

        http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          Timotheus
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          @wakas i am aware you have a percentage of completeness on the website, however, for the sake of those (like me) who use it offline in pdf or text format i think a version would be helpfull so we can keep updated

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            Timotheus
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            also an entry under Ya'kulu (imp. 3rd. p. m. sing.) He cats. i believe is supposed to read 'He eats'

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              smmirza1
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              Salaam Wakas,
              I just wanted to say thank you for this amazing project. I use the PRL site extensively while reading the Quran and no doubt it clarifies a lot of things and gives me a better insight into the verses. I can purchase/rent the book 'A Concordance of the Qur'an' and help you guys out if you need another hand.
              I also emailed the admin on PRL website but have not gotten a response yet.

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                Timotheus
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                Salaam Wakas,
                I just wanted to say thank you for this amazing project. I use the PRL site extensively while reading the Quran and no doubt it clarifies a lot of things and gives me a better insight into the verses. I can purchase/rent the book 'A Concordance of the Qur'an' and help you guys out if you need another hand.
                I also emailed the admin on PRL website but have not gotten a response yet.

                Responses seem to be very slow in this world as you can see from my previous post from October. He cats is still there

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                  Wakas
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                  peace,

                  smmirza1,
                  There are only a few things that need done

                  1. Error-checking - anyone can report those here.
                  2. Possibly improving the app for android, and maybe creating one for iOS.

                  Timotheus,
                  It has now been updated, thanks.

                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                    Wakas
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                    Android app uploaded to popular site
                    https//www.apkfiles.com/apk-520723/project-root-list

                    It's an older version though.

                    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                      Comrox
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                      I understand these kind of projects take time and the people capable of getting them completed, but I see on the website that PRL is listed as incomplete at 93%, as it has for some time now. Is there any estimated time for when users can hope for the project to be completed?

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                        Wakas
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                        It is pretty much finished but the last part was going to be adding even more grammar detail for each word occurrence by incorporating the updated grammatical info from corpus.quran.com into PRL but Corpus has not been updated in a long time and may never be.

                        Even if it was updated I probably wouldn't have the time to oversee its incorporation but by linking to corpus this would have reduced the issue somewhat.

                        Look under the first few root entries under Saad to get an idea of what we were aiming for.

                        The next step could be to produce an app for iOS/Apple devices which would be handy but I really dislike Apple's long and costly bureaucratic process for app creation so cant be bothered dealing with it, but of course others are welcome to create one as long as its not for profit. Could put out a call for funds and just award this job to an app creation company to do for us. What do people think?

                        Does anyone know of an existing iOS app that is a Quran concordance/dictionary/grammar in one?

                        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                          TellMeTheTruth
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                          Salamun, Brothers & Sisters!

                          PRLOnline is very useful source. But I am unable to see my very favourite dictionary 'Brills' any more. Can you tell me where can i download or view Brills dictionary without paying?

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                            The_Sardar
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                            Salamun, Brothers & Sisters!

                            PRLOnline is very useful source. But I am unable to see my very favourite dictionary 'Brills' any more. Can you tell me where can i download or view Brills dictionary without paying?

                            Bold I never heard of Brills dictionary. Could explain it to me?

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                              Wakas
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                              He is likely referring to
                              http//www.brill.com/arabic-english-dictionary-quranic-usage

                              You can get it here
                              https//archive.org/details/EnArabicEnglishDictionaryQuranicUsage

                              I recommend everyone to download it. Do not think an online link will last forever. Same with the books on here.

                              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                huruf
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                                He is likely referring to
                                http//www.brill.com/arabic-english-dictionary-quranic-usage

                                You can get it here
                                https//archive.org/details/EnArabicEnglishDictionaryQuranicUsage

                                I recommend everyone to download it. Do not think an online link will last forever. Same with the books on here.

                                Thank you for the advice and the links, great help.

                                Salaam

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                                  TellMeTheTruth
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                                  Salam & Thanks, Wakas! )

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    Thank you for the advice and the links, great help.

                                    Salaam

                                    Another source of semantics of Quran.

                                    It lists all the Roots, and words stemming from them that occur in Qur'aan, with their morphological specifications;

                                    Semantic field -concept of Root; ayahs where used; plus related Roots; and link to Lane's Lexicon and classical lexicons.

                                    Semantics of Quran

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                                      Mazhar
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                                      http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/intro.htm

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                                        Mazhar
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                                        Roots

                                        The language of Grand Qur?n is Arabic language of the exalted universal Messenger-Spokesperson of Allah the Supreme Sovereign, and of sons of soil of Arabian peninsula.

                                        Arabic words, nouns and verbs, stem from Roots. Root is a cluster of three, in some cases four or rare five, consonants of Alphabet placed in a peculiar sequence. Out of 29 letters of Arabic alphabet, Aleph is not a consonant since it has no sound, hence it is never the part of a Root. All 28 consonants may function as root radicals. However, there are no roots with identical consonants in the first and second position while at the second and third position radicals of a root can be the same consonant. Such roots are termed geminate roots.

                                        Though a combination of three unique consonants can constitute six Roots, for example consonants

                                        , and make these Roots - - - - - ; the Roots are determined and fixed. No new Root can be structured.

                                        Roots are comparable to proper names as both are with unique semantic reference. However, there is a profound difference between proper names and roots. The former designate identifiable entities with real existence, whereas root is pure abstraction. The root is the common element shared by its derivatives.

                                        The Root has specific, defined, distinct, conspicuous and apparent concept, phenomenon, perception and signification folded in it. It is the source, the reservoir of knowledge. Roots can be termed as "repertory of frames" of Arabic language if we follow frames approach to semantic analysis.

                                        The amazing fact about the Roots of Arabic is that the perception infolded in them is reflective of physical?scientific realities pertaining both to matter and life. They seem as if they are the baseline for scientific study and investigation.

                                        For semantics, Root is like the first of trinucleotide sequence of anticodon. It is well know that vocabulary is of vital importance in language study because it is the essence of a language. Linguist D. A. Wilkins (1972) has the famous line "Without grammar very little can be conveyed, without vocabulary nothing can be conveyed. (p.11)".

                                        That book is conveniently understandable which uses minimum vocabulary of the language. The entire vocabulary of Grand Qur?n, nouns and verbs, stems from just 1646 Roots. Therefore, at preliminary stage, we should feel pleased that learning the skill for real-time translation of Qur?n is rendered facilitative by the use of a small part of otherwise large vocabulary of Arabic in its discourse. If we merely run through the basic perception infolded in these Roots, we will gain a fairly good understanding of meanings of the words of Grand Qur?n, even before learning the meanings added by other features of the language; morphology and syntax.

                                        Classical tradition employs the word Root, but in reality, the concept resembles exactly to a "seed" which is either monocotyledon or dicotyledonous and contains the DNA to sprout and grow into a plant in a specific environment. "Seeds" of Arabic language have distinction of monocotyledon-nominal and dicotyledonous-verbal. Unique assemblage and sequencing of consonants is like a DNA that encodes complete tree of a unique concept-field of understanding which "germinates" in specific environment.

                                        http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/intro.htm

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                                          Habesha
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                                          You may find the Amharic/Ethiopic - English Dictionary by TO Kane (OTTO HARRASSOWITZ, WIESBADEN, GERMANY, 1990) very interesting with regard to root words in the Al Quran. Unfortunately, for easy and efficient use of the dictionary, you may to work with someone who speaks Ethiopic/Amharic.

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