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Worship Allah and not the Quran

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    scarface2890
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    there no faith or belief in quran

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      amin
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      The word "Faith" is originally accepting what's ordained.
      And the word "Belief" is following some thing we do not understand without questions, like a child following its parents. Quran do not recommend blind belief but as i think its recommending following in the path of universal goodness and by following that we learn from ITS guidance.

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        scarface2890
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        there no prophet in quran

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          scarface2890
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          there no pray in quran and there no god too only allah, Worship is shirk

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            good_logic
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            Peace scarface 2890.
            These one liners will lead to "there is no quran"!!!!!
            At least elaborate Hatu burhanakum in kuntum sadiqueen".
            GOD bless you.
            Peace

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              Abdun_Nur
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              Peace.

              Belief is not blind, that is equal to faith, and if you have faith you have nothing at all.

              They Don?t Have a Thought in Their Head, do you?

              Thought = thinking.

              Thinking = reasoning to form rational (agreeable to reason) decisions.

              Reasoning = logic used to form conclusions, judgments, or inferences.

              Logic = ?a system or principles of reasoning? applicable to any branch of knowledge or study to establish convincing inexorable truth or persuasiveness.
              Principles = adherence to ?morality?.

              Truth = a verified, proven indisputable actuality.

              Fact = what is agreed upon.

              Belief = an opinion or conviction.

              Reasoned belief free of assumptions = truth.

              Morality ? The Act of Virtuous Conduct

              The ?jural sphere? is to be distinguished from the ?moral sphere?

              The moral sphere is the whole scope of ethics and the science of ethical conduct.

              Ethics = a system of moral principles

              The jural sphere is constructed legal fictions that are subjected as legal sanctions upon the dominated.

              Jural = the exercise of authority in vindication (avenging) of granted right by assigning reward or punishment.

              This leads to Virtue - an internal resolve to act through moral and ethical principles.

              The deception - Invented religious virtues which do not represent fundamental virtuous principles

              Prudence - regard for one's own interests

              Justice - the exercise of authority in vindication of granted right by assigning reward or punishment

              Temperance ? controlling the indulgence of a natural appetite or passion

              Faith - belief that is not based on proof

              Hope ? a desire for something and confidence in the possibility of its fulfillment

              Charity - generous actions or donations to give aid

              If anyone who thinks is interested i can fully explain "The Philosophy of Virtue".

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                Man_of_Faith
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                The word faith comes etymologically from a word which means trust, its strongest connotation is to have confidence.

                To believe without knowing for sure is not what this word conveys but whether one believes in shit or not is not conveyed. It merely says one trusts something or that one has confidence overall, e.g. in oneself, that one is secure at heart.

                Believe is a weaker sort of stance on something, it implies insecurity but you still accept because of... belief.

                But you are just playing with words here.

                Be well
                Qarael Amenuel

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                  huruf
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                  I disagree tht faith is belief without proof. Rather it is belief with the strongest proof. The proof that comes from inner conviction. Conviction only comen from actual living personal inner and outer experience.

                  What is belief without proof is not faith but delusion, when somebody takes ilusions for real.

                  Salaam

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                    Man_of_Faith
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                    Faith is irrespective of whether one has proof or not, it just indicates confidence in something. It can be correct and it can be false, it depends on what you have confidence in.

                    Be well
                    Qarael Amenuel

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                      Abdun_Nur
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                      Peace.

                      Twisting the meaning of terms solves nothing, if you have faith you always have nothing irrespective if it turns out to be true, as without reason and evidence you are simply delusional in belief, the Qur'an requires reason, even demanding you "PROVE" each verse before accepting it as true, investigation and reasoned determination is required, and faith does not enter that conceptual paradym.

                      However from those who have replied I can see faith is the sole method used, repeating a faith mantra has no benefit to anyone.

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                        good_logic
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                        Where there are hidden/unseen things,there will always be some faith.

                        We may even find that both Faith and Reason are complementary.We have to keep searching/analysing.
                        GOD bless.
                        Peace

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                          Abdun_Nur
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                          Reason and faith are dichotomous and can be nothing else, faith is nothing reason everything. Religious minds are desperate fpr faith as they have no skill of reasoning, if they had they would not be religious.

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                            Reason and faith are dichotomous and can be nothing else, faith is nothing reason everything. Religious minds are desperate fpr faith as they have no skill of reasoning, if they had they would not be religious.

                            why do you confuse religion and faith? Religion is religion, faith is faith.

                            Somebody who has faith is not desperate for anything, is not desperae for nothing at all.

                            As to somebody religious being deperate for faith, I do not know how such a person feels, but if he is desperate that is a bad start. Faith does not come from desperation nor from religion. Faith comes from intimate convictionand does not need applause, approval or corroboration from others sources.

                            And reson and faith are not contrary they are two different forms of knowledge, both very graifying provided the person who uses them is not deluded nor arrogant nor proud, just thankful for having those gifts in whatever measure she has them.

                            Salaam

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                                        good_logic
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                                        Faith ? How strong is your faith?

                                        1-
                                        For the umpteenth time Mrs. Youngston came to her pastor to tell him, "I'm so scared! Joe says he's going to kill me if I continue to come to your church."

                                        "Yes, yes, my child," replied the pastor, more than a little tired of hearing this over and over. "I will continue to pray for you, Mrs. Youngston. Have faith - the Lord will watch over you."

                                        "Oh yes, he has kept me safe thus far, only....."

                                        "Only what, my child?"

                                        "Well, now he says if I keep coming to your church, he's going to kill YOU!"

                                        "Well, now," said the pastor, "Perhaps it's time to check out that little church on the other side of town."

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                                        An elderly lady was well-known for her faith and for her boldness in talking about it. She would stand on her front porch and shout "PRAISE THE LORD!"

                                        Next door to her lived an atheist who would get so angry at her proclamations he would shout, "There ain't no Lord!!"

                                        Hard times set in on the elderly lady, and she prayed for GOD to send her some assistance. She stood on her porch and shouted "PRAISE THE LORD. GOD I NEED FOOD!! I AM HAVING A HARD TIME. PLEASE LORD, SEND ME SOME GROCERIES!!"

                                        The next morning the lady went out on her porch and noted a large bag of groceries and shouted, "PRAISE THE LORD."

                                        The neighbor jumped from behind a bush and said, "Aha! I told you there was no Lord. I bought those groceries, God didn't."

                                        The lady started jumping up and down and clapping her hands and said, "PRAISE THE LORD. He not only sent me groceries, but He made the devil pay for them. Praise the Lord!"
                                        GOD bless.
                                        Peace

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                                          Abdun_Nur
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                                          if you have faith, you always have nothing.

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