How to overcome the sin of lust/temptation
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There are two waays to teach people one is making them hate inmoral things, the other making them love mmoral things. Teh second is preferable to the first.
Yes. However, the human mind is more strongly motivated by avoidance of pain, than by achievement of pleasure. It's about programmed genetic mechanisms of survival.
To do anything, we need to first know WHY we should do it; there has to be a rational motivation, otherwise we simply won't do it. We have to buy into it, out of fear or out of desire.
Secondly, we need to understand how our minds work and that we are not victims. We should not work against our mind, but rather use it smartly, as an ally, to achieve our goals. We can do anything, if we really want to. But do we really want to? That's the question.
Also, we should not equate 'sin' with something evil. No need for such judgements. Sin is not something bad in itself, but rather it is something which will have negative consequences for us. If we see it like this, we can think about sin and the avoidance of sin more soberly and avoid getting down in swamps of guilt and shame.
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There are two waays to teach people one is making them hate inmoral things, the other making them love mmoral things. Teh second is preferable to the first.
"Normal" people (discounting the Psychopath which is a minority in the current human population) doesn't need to be teached about morality, they have it embedded within themselves.
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They need however a discouragement to be selfish, an encouragement to lower down their ego and think about others. Basically an encouragement or a reminder to always "Treat others as you like to be treated" as "What goes around shall come around". In this context, it is towards the sex partner or (potential) sex partner (or should I say "Sex Target" or the potential result of sexual activity (which is another human being).
What is rewarding and worth of encouragement in sex? Whatever it is it will also keep people from wandering to the wrong things.
SalaamFor normal adult people, which possess an adequate dose of healthy hormones, sex doesn't need any encouragement, just like eating food or drinking water doesn't need any encouragement.
Fight or Flee, Eating and Drinking and Sex..
The three emotions / instincts are governed by the highest ordered part of the (adult) human brain.
The first two are key for the survivability of the individual while the later is key for the survivability of the species.Sexual urge rise during the teenage period until adulthood and afterwards slowly decreasing as part of the aging process. Certainly there is no need to encourage sex activity towards children or "seniors".
Yes. However, the human mind is more strongly motivated by avoidance of pain, than by achievement of pleasure. It's about programmed genetic mechanisms of survival.
Correct, as saith above, fight or flee, eating and drinking has higher priority inside the normal (adult) human brain compared to sex. Nobody will feel horny when they feel that they're in danger or they are hungry or thirsty...
And human will kill another human being whenever he or she feel that the other human being(s) brings danger to their very own existence..
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One thing though that is important is to teach kids basic stuff like respect. It's not ok when boys call girls 'whore' as a general insult. It's not OK to pinch someones bottom as a joke. Some stuff needs to be taught to children, but threatening with religious guilt and punishment is perhaps not very good.
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Peace everyone,
Many muslims (submitters/peacemakers) believe that it is important to be chaste/pure. It seems that those muslims (submitters/peacemakers) who are chaste/pure can resist temptations better than those muslims (submitter/peacemakers) who do not give much importance to the notion of chastity/purity.
I have shared some of my thoughts about the notion of chastity/purity in a post in another thread in this forum. I'd like to share a link to my post here.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606642.msg380517#msg380517
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One thing though that is important is to teach kids basic stuff like respect. It's not ok when boys call girls 'whore' as a general insult. It's not OK to pinch someones bottom as a joke. Some stuff needs to be taught to children, but threatening with religious guilt and punishment is perhaps not very good.
It's recommendable to teach the law of "Treat others as you would like to be treated" to kids..
Encouraging the development of "empathy" hormones within themselves.. at the early age..
Kids might not feel "pinching someone bottom" as a bad idea until they got "pinched" themselves.. thus they can learn by their own experience that it wasn't a very nice feelings to be "pinched"..Teaching or exposing them to "sadistic" things like crucifixion (like catholics often does), torture in hell etc.. must be avoided. It will discourage the growth of "empathy" hormones and it can also leave a bad marks to their future mental development.
An example from history..
Everyone knows Dracula, inspired by a real historical figure of Vlad Tepez where Tepez means "Impaler".
During his childhood year, the young Vlad was exposed to the sadistic punishment of Impalement during his childhood time in Galipoli, Ottoman kingdom (Turkey) where he commonly see the punishment of Impalement of Turkish criminals and Ottoman's "political enemy".Such sight and experience leaves a huge mark in him as such he "applied" the same very sadistic punishment back to the Turks and also his other political enemy when he has grown into an adult. Thus earned the name of "Tepez" (Impaler).
Similar story can be found in other "sadistic" historical figure such as Nero or Genghis Khan, all of them exposed and used to commonly observed many "sadistic" act during their childhood years..
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There are two waays to teach people one is making them hate inmoral things, the other making them love mmoral things. Teh second is preferable to the first.
huruf,
I couldn't agree more with you. Perhaps you will like this deep/intelligent quote by Samuel Smiles, by the way.
It must, however, be admitted that education is not enough. The clever man may be a clever rogue; and the cleverer he is, the cleverer rogue he will be. Education, therefore, must be based upon religion and morality; for education by itself will not eradicate vicious propensities. Culture of intellect has but little eflect upon moral conduct. You may see clever, educated, literary men with no conduct whatever ? wasteful, improvident, drunken, and vicious. It follows, therefore, that education must be based upon the principles of religion and morality.
In terms of lust, there is a very deep/intelligent quote by Samuel Smiles that explains/reveals one of the most, if not the most, important causes of lust. Let me also share that quote in this post.
Daniel Malthus urged his son when at college to be most diligent in the cultivation of knowledge, but he also enjoined him to pursue manly sports as the best means of keeping up the full working power of his mind, as well as of enjoying the pleasures of intellect. " Every kind of knowledge," said he, " every acquaintance with nature and art, will amuse and strengthen your mind, and I am perfectly pleased that cricket should do the same by your arms and legs ; I love to see you excel in exercises of the body, and I think myself that the better half, and much the most agreeable part, of the pleasures of the mind, is best enjoyed while one is upon one's legs." But a still more important use of active employment is that enforced by the great divine, Jeremy Taylor. "Avoid idleness," he says," and fill up all the spaces of thy time with severe and useful employment ; for lust easily creeps in at those emptinesses where the soul is unemployed, and the body is at ease ; for no easy, healthful, idle person was ever chaste if he could be tempted ; but of all employments, bodily labour is the most useful, and of the greatest benefit for driving away the devil.
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But a still more important use of active employment is that enforced by the great divine, Jeremy Taylor. "Avoid idleness," he says," and fill up all the spaces of thy time with severe and useful employment ; for lust easily creeps in at those emptinesses where the soul is unemployed, and the body is at ease ; for no easy, healthful, idle person was ever chaste if he could be tempted ; but of all employments, bodily labour is the most useful, and of the greatest benefit for driving away the devil.
Very true. You can't change to the better lying on a sofa all day.
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Lust is more than sexual desire.
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So are you going to tell us that lust is a strong sexual desire?
Or are you going to say it is even more than that?
I get it ,it "a very string sexual desire",or do you want even more that that?Or have you got your own definition? Is it from the "old lexicons"?
Come on Man Of Faith you need to give us a clue since you know. Yes, tell us how much more of a sexual desire is lust?
GOD bless you.
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Taking into consideration that the lust in this thread is not lust for power or for other things. It is a sexual desire of some sort.
GOD bless.
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Taking into consideration that the lust in this thread is not lust for power or for other things. It is a sexual desire of some sort.
GOD bless.
Peace.Alright, I did notice that, but I objected still to remark on that sexual desire is far from the only human obstacle to avoid.
Sexual lust is a strong drive which from a natural point is understandable since the human is an animal, at least in body.
Lust as a word refers to anything which gives a strong desire to something and it is not necessarily mating. Lust is often associated with sex because it is very easily a strong craving, but truth is you can lust for a little bit of this and that.
You talk in some ridiculing way as if my words have no authority, but I am not using Arabic lexicons to write and define English nor will I do so. Of course words have an etymological origin and lust means the irresistible craving for something, and often related to the sexual such because it is usually seen as a symbol for lust.
But lust can be on various levels and even a little affection by the instinct is detrimental for someone who understands that spiritual development is dependent upon abstention. Lust is simply the strongest level of autonomous behavior due to the animal origin of the body.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
I just wrote about "Gudhs" in my reconstruction thread. It really touches on this subject aswell, as Shaytan is an idolater, and "follows his vain desire". So ofcourse ultimately the main concept must be right. Psychology looks at ones close, Freud for instance his mother. But fails to understand the higher, and lacks a real monotheistic philosophy and solution. Instead he ends up with that desire, is the driving force which is ofcourse completely reverse. And Buddhists and Taoists tends to exaggarate, and say one should have no desire. While real monotheism is in line with the purpose of the creator, and allows marriage. The Quran states "Those on your right hand", and also talks about Huri in the afterlife.
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Lust is very subjective and the same thing even for the same person may not mean the same at diffrent times. I do think that those who fall in temptation usually indulge in border lines thinking that they will not cross them but that hell why not just a bit.
It is not so much that we see nudes or this or that but what we allow ourselves or the attitude we take while those things are in front of our eyes.
Salaam
its a question of statistics
for the majority of the people lust has the same meaning
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talking about it, heavy discussion, and correct understanding helps.
but only with sheer will power can one overcome lust / temptation.
its a choice one makes.That is it, will, if one is not fully committed, anything will erase borderlines. In fact we want the cake and eat it. It is a matter of accepting that there is no such a thing as having the cake and eating it, and behaving accordingly. Like with most things, we have to shun the worst temptation with is lying to ourselves.
Salaam