How can the God Alone movement advance?
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Those who act less partial with Justice and accept universal diversity are truly God alone followers as per Quran. But it is natural most people will go astray, be inward or closed with narrow ideas at some point, but learn and accept reality and come back if God wills. To me Masjid al Haram is a state of mind that keeps us in a neutral way as we take the results of our actions to an external force of Goodness and not to ourselves. As muslims we are not falling before a direction or a place, indeed falling before an Unknown Un imaginable higher force.
Again ,every thing is is like a institution.salah,marriage,hajj, zakat,divorce,...and the list goes on .of course we ,here on FM discussed all of them but we are yet to came out with a obvious solution .even today ,we dont have a single view point on any of it .i may be wrong but this is my perception
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Something will advance if there are alot of people of the same vibration carrying it forward.
A bad system will also flourish if there are lots of people who follow their carnal delusion.
As people wake up to reality, good things will automatically happen to them.
As far as the different systems of the world are concerned, they will only be as good as the people who propagate it.'God alone' is only as good as how realistic people's understanding of 'God' and 'alone' is.
Might be a bit better than other religious movements, in that it is less dogmatic and less fearful to dissent.The more we subscribe to 'I don't know', the more chance we have to get closer to truth and reality. As soon as we declare that we 'know', we close the door to insights. In this way, religions are the most sure way AWAY from knowledge, insight and improvement.
We should be straight enough to admit 'I don't know'. Either we know, or we don't. That we don't know, instead we have faith in. Faith is not the same as knowing. In this way, the religious believer and the atheist are the same. They all claim to know. Belief and disbelief are the same.
So, advancement may occur once we admit what we don't know, and stop identifying with what we believe in.
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If you take the prophet Mohammed as an example, he presented not a whole package, he came only with Quran. But some people in Mekka followed him. Everything else came step by step as it was necessary to have a political leader.
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'God alone' is only as good as how realistic people's understanding of 'God' and 'alone' is.
So far the common view on this forum is
God Alone = Quran Alone
Thus God = QuranMight be a bit better than other religious movements, in that it is less dogmatic and less fearful to dissent.
Untested.. wait until they gained power.. and my bet is that they will end up the same as other religious movement..
"if you want to test a man's character, give him power"
-- Abe LincolnA religion / cult need dogma and union of society..
Otherwise the religion / cult shall become weak without anything to bind the people upon..Free minders and dissenting opinion goes against such objective..
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If you take the prophet Mohammed as an example, he presented not a whole package, he came only with Quran. But some people in Mekka followed him. Everything else came step by step as it was necessary to have a political leader.
yes , you are correct
quran alone will never take off unless we have a rich ,influential or a political leader who will change a country .in the present scenario ,we need a rich and powerful man who will promote .otherwise , May ALLAH subhanavatala make one of us to be rich and powerful so that these system will come out this stupid box -
So far the common view on this forum is
God Alone = Quran Alone
Thus God = Quranwrong equation
God alone = Quran alone = a last testimony for all religionsUntested.. wait until they gained power.. and my bet is that they will end up the same as other religious movement..
"if you want to test a man's character, give him power"
-- Abe LincolnA religion / cult need dogma and union of society..
Otherwise the religion / cult shall become weak without anything to bind the people upon..Free minders and dissenting opinion goes against such objective..
upon seeing few fanatics here regrading Quran alone , i may agree with you to some extent .if they finish as one more sect on the ground then it is not GOD alone
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wrong equation
God alone = Quran alone = a last testimony for all religions upon seeing few fanatics here regrading Quran alone , i may agree with you to some extent .if they finish as one more sect on the ground then it is not GOD aloneGod Alone = God Alone
God Alone = Quran Alone Then God = Quran, Idolating a book titled Quran
God Alone = Jesus Alone Then God = Jesus, Idolating a person named Jesus
God Alone = Bible Alone Then God = Bible, Idolating a book titled Bible -
God Alone = God Alone
God Alone = Quran Alone Then God = Quran, Idolating a book titled Quran
God Alone = Jesus Alone Then God = Jesus, Idolating a person named Jesus
God Alone = Bible Alone Then God = Bible, Idolating a book titled BibleAmazing Jafar
as per you ,an atheists think he got the absolute power over his life .do you really think nobody controls your life .do you think you can get whatever you have planned .
the reality is ,no one can control his own life .as a matter of fact even salah , prayer, quran or even black magic can never control his/her/other people life
the author of quran claims that he has the absolute control of everything and commands the reader to follow his book cover to cover but never guaranties the control to anyone . following quran can never mean to idolizing it .quran cannot harm or gain anyone or anything .i believe the one who controls my life has given quran and i should abide him .
BTW ,do you have an answer to this ayah
Verse 22.73O people, an example is presented, so listen to it. Indeed, those you invoke besides Allah will never create a fly, even if they gathered together for that purpose. And if the fly should steal away from them a thing, they could not recover it from him. Weak are the pursuer and pursued.
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@ brother pervaiz
God alone = God alone no left and right
rest are the creation signs and messages of God in the shape of books,planets,prophets,sun,moon stars etc
what you are asking from brother jaffar is same if u tell a hadith person whats about this hadith " in which u must have to follow hadith" otherwise u ll misguided or kafir
he take the same approach not only stick to quran but he said bible torah and everything whatever is availaible
so its a logical fallacy to think that way let say like other wholy scriptures people mix truth with falsehood but soon after the universal God make their lie infront of them so he is not unaware and his signs are not stopped yet thats what he said
you beleive in quran becoz quran is saying you to beleive in quran
you beleive in bible bcoz bible is saying you to beleive in
exactly God alone = God alone
and he dnt need the help of any creation to run his system of God alone
the only exception in quran is the book is standing what he claims thats why i give this book a real consideration
there are some verses regarding hell punishment what i have to talk about with people but i feel nobody is attempting that things as they say its metaphorical approach and so thats why its not for kids under age 13 a really horrible stuff in hell prison
even the book is saying to you the mininmun requirements of getting successful in 2 62
so yeh you dnt need anything to approach GodGod bless you
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wiki says
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IdolAn idol is an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed or any person or thing regarded with admiration, adoration, or devotion.
i dont see any of Muslims make any idol of any for their worship
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God Alone = God Alone
God Alone = Quran Alone Then God = Quran, Idolating a book titled Quran
God Alone = Jesus Alone Then God = Jesus, Idolating a person named Jesus
God Alone = Bible Alone Then God = Bible, Idolating a book titled BibleThat's very poorly designed because
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Me alone= Idolization of me
My intellect alone= Idolization of my intellect alone
Me taking my lessons only from the world= Idolization of the worldSpending time on something I despise Wasting time on something I despise
There might be some misunderstandings I have. But if there are means for clarification right on the site where I believe people are idolizing the book and I am not open to that despite requests from others then me = troll.
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yes , you are correct
quran alone will never take off unless we have a rich ,influential or a political leader who will change a country .in the present scenario ,we need a rich and powerful man who will promote .otherwise , May ALLAH subhanavatala make one of us to be rich and powerful so that these system will come out this stupid boxYep, and your sectarian leaders understand that quite well. That's why, they start fox news styled rumors to make sure the Quran aloners who have a huge voice are dead!!!!
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That's very poorly designed because
then
Me alone= Idolization of me
My intellect alone= Idolization of my intellect alone"Me alone" A is TRUE because I SAID SO
"My intellect alone" A is TRUE because my intellect SAID SOCommonly refered as "ego centrism".. self worshiping..
From Egyptian Pharaoh, Roman Emperor, Ottoman Sultan to today's dictators.. The Supreme Leader of North Korea or even The Leader of the Free World.Thus IF
"Quran Alone" A is TRUE because the Quran SAID SO..Fell into the same characteristics as above..
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Amazing Jafar
as per you ,an atheists think he got the absolute power over his life .do you really think nobody controls your life .do you think you can get whatever you have planned .I didn't said that.. you must conjure that up from your own perception..
In reality, everything shall perform everything as planned by the ultimate planner up to meticulous details..
the reality is ,no one can control his own life .as a matter of fact even salah , prayer, quran or even black magic can never control his/her/other people life
Agree..
the author of quran claims that he has the absolute control of everything and commands the reader to follow his book cover to cover but never guaranties the control to anyone . following quran can never mean to idolizing it .quran cannot harm or gain anyone or anything .i believe the one who controls my life has given quran and i should abide him .
See above.. if one think can argue that A is true just because His/Her Holy Book said so.. then it is the same as idolizing his / her holy book, whatever the title of his / her holy book is.
Quran (and also Bible, Book OF The Dead, Sumerian Tablet and other scriptures claimed to be written by God/ Deities) cannot harm or gain anyone or anything I agree...
The next question should be
Why did people wrote materials and make a claim that it was written by Gods / Deities.. -
And why people always think of ADVANCEMENT as
"Gaining More Power / Influence"?First meaning noun
the process of promoting a cause or plan."Me alone" A is TRUE because I SAID SO
"My intellect alone" A is TRUE because my intellect SAID SOIs that how your mind operates and thus, you believe all of us think that way?
Commonly refered as "ego centrism".. self worshiping..
From Egyptian Pharaoh, Roman Emperor, Ottoman Sultan to today's dictators.. The Supreme Leader of North Korea or even The Leader of the Free World.Thus IF
"Quran Alone" A is TRUE because the Quran SAID SO..Fell into the same characteristics as above..
So you basically came to Quran alone at first because the Book said so and you actually did not care about other verses?
Is "God Alone Movement" a "Political Movement"?
Why are you always miffed at Saudi government? How do you stand up against them all by yourself? And if they go atheist how would you stand up against them all by yourself? Freaky thing is that there is literally no diff between the "wahabbi" and "atheist" Arabs of that country. That confirms my idea that present day Islam is atheism. Try talking to some of their citizens on reddit.
"In the social sciences, a political movement is a social group that operates together to obtain a political goal,on a local, regional, national, or international scope. Political movements develop, coordinate, promulgate, revise, amend, interpret, and produce materials that are intended to address the goals of the base of the movement." https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_movement
God alone comes with the idea of eliminating oppression. It is the way of making sure God given rights of people are respected.
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That's very poorly designed because
then
Me alone= Idolization of me
My intellect alone= Idolization of my intellect alone
Me taking my lessons only from the world= Idolization of the worldRed That sounds like Materialism.
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There's no such thing as "God alone movement", this is unfortunately a deceiving name, when we should be called Muslims and not Quran-alone Muslims, and it should be Islam, not Quran alone or other weird names.
Muslim, Mumin, Islam. God has named us those who have submitted (Muslims), so there's no need to use other names.
The striving may already have begun or will soon, and there should be 100% confidence that there will be a nation with system Islam as it's already said in Quran that "Israel" will fall a second time and the Sacred Temple will be retaken.
I hope it's soon.
Salam
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There's no such thing as "God alone movement", this is unfortunately a deceiving name, when we should be called Muslims and not Quran-alone Muslims, and it should be Islam, not Quran alone or other weird names.
Muslim, Mumin, Islam. God has named us those who have submitted (Muslims), so there's no need to use other names.
The striving may already have begun or will soon, and there should be 100% confidence that there will be a nation with system Islam as it's already said in Quran that "Israel" will fall a second time and the Sacred Temple will be retaken.
I hope it's soon.
Salam
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