How can the God Alone movement advance?

[imrankhawaja]

@ brother pervaiz

God alone = God alone no left and right

rest are the creation signs and messages of God in the shape of books,planets,prophets,sun,moon stars etc

what you are asking from brother jaffar is same if u tell a hadith person whats about this hadith " in which u must have to follow hadith" otherwise u ll misguided or kafir

he take the same approach not only stick to quran but he said bible torah and everything whatever is availaible

so its a logical fallacy to think that way let say like other wholy scriptures people mix truth with falsehood but soon after the universal God make their lie infront of them so he is not unaware and his signs are not stopped yet thats what he said

you beleive in quran becoz quran is saying you to beleive in quran

you beleive in bible bcoz bible is saying you to beleive in

exactly God alone = God alone

and he dnt need the help of any creation to run his system of God alone

the only exception in quran is the book is standing what he claims thats why i give this book a real consideration

there are some verses regarding hell punishment what i have to talk about with people but i feel nobody is attempting that things as they say its metaphorical approach and so thats why its not for kids under age 13 a really horrible stuff in hell prison

even the book is saying to you the mininmun requirements of getting successful in 2 62
so yeh you dnt need anything to approach God

God bless you

[parvez_mushtaq]

wiki says
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idol

An idol is an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed or any person or thing regarded with admiration, adoration, or devotion.

i dont see any of Muslims make any idol of any for their worship

[reel]

God Alone = God Alone

God Alone = Quran Alone Then God = Quran, Idolating a book titled Quran
God Alone = Jesus Alone Then God = Jesus, Idolating a person named Jesus
God Alone = Bible Alone Then God = Bible, Idolating a book titled Bible

That's very poorly designed because
then
Me alone= Idolization of me
My intellect alone= Idolization of my intellect alone
Me taking my lessons only from the world= Idolization of the world

Spending time on something I despise Wasting time on something I despise

There might be some misunderstandings I have. But if there are means for clarification right on the site where I believe people are idolizing the book and I am not open to that despite requests from others then me = troll.

[reel]

yes , you are correct
quran alone will never take off unless we have a rich ,influential or a political leader who will change a country .in the present scenario ,we need a rich and powerful man who will promote .otherwise , May ALLAH subhanavatala make one of us to be rich and powerful so that these system will come out this stupid box

Yep, and your sectarian leaders understand that quite well. That's why, they start fox news styled rumors to make sure the Quran aloners who have a huge voice are dead!!!!

[Jafar]

That's very poorly designed because
then
Me alone= Idolization of me
My intellect alone= Idolization of my intellect alone

"Me alone" A is TRUE because I SAID SO
"My intellect alone" A is TRUE because my intellect SAID SO

Commonly refered as "ego centrism".. self worshiping..
From Egyptian Pharaoh, Roman Emperor, Ottoman Sultan to today's dictators.. The Supreme Leader of North Korea or even The Leader of the Free World.

Thus IF
"Quran Alone" A is TRUE because the Quran SAID SO..

Fell into the same characteristics as above..

[Jafar]

And why people always think of ADVANCEMENT as
"Gaining More Power / Influence"?

Is "God Alone Movement" a "Political Movement"?

[Jafar]

Amazing Jafar
as per you ,an atheists think he got the absolute power over his life .do you really think nobody controls your life .do you think you can get whatever you have planned .

I didn't said that.. you must conjure that up from your own perception..

In reality, everything shall perform everything as planned by the ultimate planner up to meticulous details..

the reality is ,no one can control his own life .as a matter of fact even salah , prayer, quran or even black magic can never control his/her/other people life

Agree..

the author of quran claims that he has the absolute control of everything and commands the reader to follow his book cover to cover but never guaranties the control to anyone . following quran can never mean to idolizing it .quran cannot harm or gain anyone or anything .i believe the one who controls my life has given quran and i should abide him .

See above.. if one think can argue that A is true just because His/Her Holy Book said so.. then it is the same as idolizing his / her holy book, whatever the title of his / her holy book is.

Quran (and also Bible, Book OF The Dead, Sumerian Tablet and other scriptures claimed to be written by God/ Deities) cannot harm or gain anyone or anything I agree...

The next question should be
Why did people wrote materials and make a claim that it was written by Gods / Deities..

[reel]

And why people always think of ADVANCEMENT as
"Gaining More Power / Influence"?

First meaning noun
the process of promoting a cause or plan.

"Me alone" A is TRUE because I SAID SO
"My intellect alone" A is TRUE because my intellect SAID SO

Is that how your mind operates and thus, you believe all of us think that way?

Commonly refered as "ego centrism".. self worshiping..
From Egyptian Pharaoh, Roman Emperor, Ottoman Sultan to today's dictators.. The Supreme Leader of North Korea or even The Leader of the Free World.

Thus IF
"Quran Alone" A is TRUE because the Quran SAID SO..

Fell into the same characteristics as above..

So you basically came to Quran alone at first because the Book said so and you actually did not care about other verses?

Is "God Alone Movement" a "Political Movement"?

Why are you always miffed at Saudi government? How do you stand up against them all by yourself? And if they go atheist how would you stand up against them all by yourself? Freaky thing is that there is literally no diff between the "wahabbi" and "atheist" Arabs of that country. That confirms my idea that present day Islam is atheism. Try talking to some of their citizens on reddit.

"In the social sciences, a political movement is a social group that operates together to obtain a political goal,on a local, regional, national, or international scope. Political movements develop, coordinate, promulgate, revise, amend, interpret, and produce materials that are intended to address the goals of the base of the movement." https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_movement

God alone comes with the idea of eliminating oppression. It is the way of making sure God given rights of people are respected.

[The_Sardar]

That's very poorly designed because
then
Me alone= Idolization of me
My intellect alone= Idolization of my intellect alone
Me taking my lessons only from the world= Idolization of the world

Red That sounds like Materialism.

[A_Submitter]

There's no such thing as "God alone movement", this is unfortunately a deceiving name, when we should be called Muslims and not Quran-alone Muslims, and it should be Islam, not Quran alone or other weird names.

Muslim, Mumin, Islam. God has named us those who have submitted (Muslims), so there's no need to use other names.

The striving may already have begun or will soon, and there should be 100% confidence that there will be a nation with system Islam as it's already said in Quran that "Israel" will fall a second time and the Sacred Temple will be retaken.

I hope it's soon.

Salam

[HP_TECH]

There's no such thing as "God alone movement", this is unfortunately a deceiving name, when we should be called Muslims and not Quran-alone Muslims, and it should be Islam, not Quran alone or other weird names.

Muslim, Mumin, Islam. God has named us those who have submitted (Muslims), so there's no need to use other names.

The striving may already have begun or will soon, and there should be 100% confidence that there will be a nation with system Islam as it's already said in Quran that "Israel" will fall a second time and the Sacred Temple will be retaken.

I hope it's soon.

Salam

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[parvez_mushtaq]

Yep, and your sectarian leaders understand that quite well.

i dont think you and me are different sect .as a matter of fact i can't even say others whom you call "sectarians" are different from us . their perception of Quran is different andwe are not authorized to find faults with others instead we can correct our selfs .by dividing me ,you have just formed an sect called Quran aloners .congratulations .can you guaranty , only Quran alnoners are the true followers of Islam. can you give a proof from GOD .Do you have a mail or a sms message from GOD for that claim .i think you have missed my post , have a look at this post

wrong equation
God alone = Quran alone = a last testimony for all religions upon seeing few fanatics here regrading Quran alone , i may agree with you to some extent .if they finish as one more sect on the ground then it is not GOD alone

That's why, they start fox news styled rumors to make sure the Quran aloners who have a huge voice are dead!!!!

money matters ,reel
it was zakir naik who changed my life.they conducted a expo in Chennai about a decade ago .they invited hundreds of international orators ,it was a huge exhibition conducted in an area of about 10 acres .do you know the cost of that expo .it was about 5 crores Indian.after that ,each year they conducted such expos and it was a run away success .partly they invested and partly they raised funds in the expo itself .
this is what i call a huge voice
we dont have voice ,reel .even to conduct a workshop ,in Chennai , we need about a million Indian rupees
the fact is ,we cannot conduct even a workshop anywhere in the world .we born here and die here .if you still think you have "huge voice "......lol

[parvez_mushtaq]

...........
In reality, everything shall perform everything as planned by the ultimate planner up to meticulous details..

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who is that meticulous ultimate planner .the quest for the answer of this question must be the same age as the human race on this earth

See above.. if one think can argue that A is true just because His/Her Holy Book said so.. then it is the same as idolizing his / her holy book, whatever the title of his / her holy book is.

Quran (and also Bible, Book OF The Dead, Sumerian Tablet and other scriptures claimed to be written by God/ Deities) cannot harm or gain anyone or anything I agree...

the above question was repeatedly answered in each and every religious book some took them as idols and few took them as way of life .Quran endorse all those books and at the same time ,it stands apart from them .believing something is not idolizing .

The next question should be
Why did people wrote materials and make a claim that it was written by Gods / Deities..

i think i have just answered your question

[reel]

i dont think you and me are different sect .as a matter of fact i can't even say others whom you call "sectarians" are different from us .

If you were actually living Quran you would have known our view on the sectarians.

their perception of Quran is different andwe are not authorized to find faults with others

There you go, every time an issue related to your kind of Islam is presented in front of you people, instead of trying to solve it, you try to shut the person.

Not find fault in others who kill someone trying to promote a diff, but more peaceful perspective than theirs???? Thanks for that. I am keeping a screenshot of this.

instead we can correct our selfs .by dividing me ,you have just formed an sect called Quran aloners

Irony at best. First you say we can correct ourselves and that I am dividing you. Just at the end, you bring up your innovation that I am forming sect with Quran alone.

God himself gave us the meaning of sect in that Book. I stick to that. It seems you don't!

.congratulations .can you guaranty , only Quran alnoners are the true followers of Islam. can you give a proof from GOD .Do you have a mail or a sms message from GOD for that claim .

Of course yes!!!!!! Just follow what the Quran says and see the result. That's the reason why we can't reconcile with your sects.

i think you have missed my post , have a look at this post money matters ,reel
it was zakir naik who changed my life.they conducted a expo in Chennai about a decade ago .they invited hundreds of international orators ,it was a huge exhibition conducted in an area of about 10 acres .do you know the cost of that expo .it was about 5 crores Indian.after that ,each year they conducted such expos and it was a run away success .partly they invested and partly they raised funds in the expo itself .
this is what i call a huge voice

Dude, you can't compare us to you. Your sectarian folks hate us to death because of our decision to follow Quran alone despite the fact they hardly have any idea about all the hadiths. In your society, a person must accept at least a few dozens hadiths to remain alive. I do not understand the psychology behind that. And your charity is not sign of anything big at all in front of the fact that majority of the Muslim countries are lagging behind. Plus, your sectarian Islam whether salafi or anything else provides certain benefits to men such as 0 percent moral standard. Why wouldn't naik be then successful?

if you still think you have "huge voice "......lol

Reread my post. I am not dead.

[parvez_mushtaq]

If you were actually living Quran you would have known our view on the sectarians.

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Irony at best. First you say we can correct ourselves and that I am dividing you. Just at the end, you bring up your innovation that I am forming sect with Quran alone.

God himself gave us the meaning of sect in that Book. I stick to that. It seems you don't!

Great ,reel
let me start me answer with this verse
Verse 20.88
And he extracted for them a calf which had a lowing sound, and they said, "This is your god and the god of Moses, but he forgot."
Arabic

let me illustrate your case with an example Salah
first you bash all the sects by saying each one of you got different types of salah you make a column and highlight the differences then you introduce a new pattern of salah which you claim that it is from Quran and say this was the original pattern of salah which all the Muslims forgot (&#1614
thus making one more pattern in salah which belong to your sect called "quran alone" .thus making one more salah pattren in the varieties of salah .as a matter of fact , whether you pray in masjid or in church or in any synagogue Quran makes no distinction .i made that post keeping you and only you in my mind , reel

Dude, you can't compare us to you.

Never i will do it , i am not interested in joining a new sect on the ground . i still stand by my first encounter with you
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608188.msg382459#msg382459
i don't belong to any sect .

Your sectarian folks hate us to death because of our decision to follow Quran alone despite the fact they hardly have any idea about all the hadiths. In your society, a person must accept at least a few dozens hadiths to remain alive. I do not understand the psychology behind that. And your charity is not sign of anything big at all in front of the fact that majority of the Muslim countries are lagging behind. Plus, your sectarian Islam whether salafi or anything else provides certain benefits to men such as 0 percent moral standard. Why wouldn't naik be then successful?

i just fell down from my chair laughing . i cannot control my laughter , reel .is it an excuse to hide your face .do you really think ,salafi or any other sect dont have any other work except to kill the quran alone Muslims rotfl
In Chennai , even Qadianis used to conduct seminars ,workshops and even debates .at the end of the day you are just one of them ,A brand new sect ,reel

[reel]

Thanks for more data for our analysis on salafi game. Ladies and gentlemen, if you just check his earlier replies to me and then the ones from me you will see that below for the second time he deviates from the topic. He was told his sects kill Quran alone people who have big voice. He refuses to go fully into that and keeps introducing new topics.

However, his post is a clear depiction of why rejection of hadiths is important. I'll show you in the end what's wrong with the writing and serve you a cup of dessert from God about it )

Great ,reel
let me start me answer with this verse
Verse 20.88
And he extracted for them a calf which had a lowing sound, and they said, "This is your god and the god of Moses, but he forgot."
Arabic

let me illustrate your case with an example Salah
first you bash all the sects by saying each one of you got different types of salah you make a column and highlight the differences

In the line above, he deviates by introducing the salah topic. He creates a lie that I made column and highlighted differences in his sects salah. Truth is that his own people did that. Here is their page
https//www.oneummah.net/islam/salat.html

then you introduce a new pattern of salah which you claim that it is from Quran and say this was the original pattern of salah which all the Muslims forgot (&#1614

The salafi here is avoiding bringing up the fact that I showed him how his sectarian prayers don't live up to

2945 Recite, , what has been revealed to you of the Book and establish prayer. Indeed, prayer prohibits immorality and wrongdoing, and the remembrance of Allah is greater. And Allah knows that which you do.

thus making one more pattern in salah which belong to your sect called "quran alone" .

The salafi now forcefully shows his rejection for the sect definition God gave in the Quran.

Say, "He is the one Able to send upon you affliction from above you or from beneath your feet or to confuse you sects and make you taste the violence of one another." Look how We diversify the signs that they might understand.But your people have denied it while it is the truth. Say, "I am not over you a manager." 665-66

Dear people, we here disagree with each other, but we don't go around making new sects. We don't use violence between each other. As per 665-66, thus, we are not a sect.

Secondly, there is a day and night difference between Quranic Islam and Hadith driven Islam. The two can never be reconciled without utter dishonesty. See below

Allah presents an example a slave owned by quarreling partners and another belonging exclusively to one man - are they equal in comparison? Praise be to Allah ! But most of them do not know.3929

Quran alone is a compliment though. It reaffirms that we follow God's Book. I would be embarrassed if someone called me hadither, bukharist and supporter of Quran and hadith. The latter is an insult against God.

thus making one more salah pattren in the varieties of salah .as a matter of fact , whether you pray in masjid or in church or in any synagogue Quran makes no distinction .

People, be careful about the above misleading words. The focus is on ISLAM. The user, just like every other bukharist asked us how we pray without hadiths and just like every other bukharist, he knew not about the variation in salah. Once he was shown the table, he flipped.

And here is the funny thing, he has problem with some "new patterned" salah, but he is okay with the rest. It was actually me back then defending the salat done by other Quran followers by saying that they have the right to do it their way because sects do the same. In short, he is giving me back my own argument D

i made that post keeping you and only you in my mind , reel
Never i will do it , i am not interested in joining a new sect on the ground . i still stand by my first encounter with you
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608188.msg382459#msg382459
i don't belong to any sect .i just fell down from my chair laughing .

Is hadithist a sect? Then progressive Islam?

i cannot control my laughter , reel .is it an excuse to hide your face .do you really think ,salafi or any other sect dont have any other work except to kill the quran alone Muslims rotfl
In Chennai , even Qadianis used to conduct seminars ,workshops and even debates .at the end of the day you are just one of them ,A brand new sect ,reel

There, he is denying the problem by hiding himself under the sect population. He doesn't even challenge my comment about morals. He doesn't respond to my comment about following Quran alone for results. As you can see, for him salah is more important than a human life. He literally avoided going to Quran by making noise.

Aha, there is a verse on that

4126 And those who disbelieve say, "Do not listen to this Qur'an and speak noisily during it that perhaps you will overcome."

[parvez_mushtaq]

I am well within the topic ,reel

And here is the funny thing, he has problem with some "new patterned" salah, but he is okay with the rest. It was actually me back then defending the salat done by other Quran followers by saying that they have the right to do it their way because sects do the same. In short, he is giving me back my own argument D

Dear people, we here disagree with each other, but we don't go around making new sects. We don't use violence between each other. As per 665-66, thus, we are not a sect.

what to do , reel i have a bad habit of remembering things and also i apply them whenever i need them .
i cannot forget your "Soooo important "

BTW who are those "other Quran followers " a sub sect of Quran aloners ?
it is amazing to see that a person who says Quran approves any type of prayer is a "salafi" and one who bash and make mockery of other sect is "progressive Muslim"
a read will immediately judge
yes i came to know about that classification table of salah somewhere here .do they were bashing or making mockery of it or they just gave the information .again go to this kink and see what you have done about it
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608260.msg383670#msg383670
dont fail to read my answer post their
you haven't change a bit ,reel

you can scream but in reality ,you are promoting a new sect .otherwise ,just accept everyone and be on your way without making mockery of others .i used to these types of argument ,reel .day in and day out , salafis mocks at hanafis and hanafis do the same .what is the difference between you and them

People, be careful about the above misleading words. The focus is on ISLAM. The user, just like every other bukharist asked us how we pray without hadiths and just like every other bukharist, he knew not about the variation in salah. Once he was shown the table, he flipped.

Verse 22.40
those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allah." And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might.

now club this verse with Verse 2.62
Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans - those who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.

and

Verse 5.69
Indeed, those who have believed and those who were Jews or Sabeans or Christians - those who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.

Am i misleading anyone here .is it a view of a salafi .salafis believe that the verse 2.62 was abrogated ,deliberately ignoring the verse 5.69
this is the view of a progressive Muslim .

There, he is denying the problem by hiding himself under the sect population. He doesn't even challenge my comment about morals. He doesn't respond to my comment about following Quran alone for results. As you can see, for him salah is more important than a human life. He literally avoided going to Quran by making noise.

i dont know weather sir syed ahmed khan or ghulam ahmed parvez were killed because they were hadith rejectors .BTW Edip Y?ksel is living peacefully even after bashing bilal Phillips .this is you own cooked up curry ,reel
i just want to make a add on which i for got yesterday

your sectarian Islam whether salafi or anything else provides certain benefits to men such as 0 percent moral standard. Why wouldn't naik be then successful?

Islam in Chennai can be divided into two eras .pre zakir naik and post zakir naik .pre zakir naik .pre DZN era never had Muslim schools and rich and wealthy Muslim folks were just freaking out they were not aware of even zakat .poor and illiterate Muslim were just spoiling their life by boozing and gambling
in post era , the first Islamic school that came to Chennai was Islamic international school ,followed by olive international school ,now there are hundreds of Muslims schools running all over Chennai .most of the schools were started/run by the followers of zakir naik .DZN manage to change the rich people in Islamic way .you don't know how many good things are happening in Chennai
with these popularity , another group called tamilnadu towheed jamat came into lime light and they managed to show the poor the right path .
do you still think he is not successful
BTW the what is your contribution ,reel .....just bashing

[Neptin]

i just fell down from my chair laughing . i cannot control my laughter , reel .is it an excuse to hide your face .do you really think ,salafi or any other sect dont have any other work except to kill the quran alone Muslims rotfl
In Chennai , even Qadianis used to conduct seminars ,workshops and even debates .at the end of the day you are just one of them ,A brand new sect ,reel

Man, I thought you were one of us. Till now, I never knew we harbored a fifth columnist in our midst.

@underlined. Where do you live man? In certain parts of the world, heterodox Muslims suffer persecution at the hands of you traditionalists. Ever heard of Muhammad Taha, the Sudanese Muslim thinker executed for apostasy because he opposed sharia law? How about Farag Foda, the Egyptian Muslim secularist? The truth is, you traditionalists will stop at nothing to exterminate anyone powerful enough to pose sufficient threat to your ideals, beliefs or doctrines.
Qadianis in even Chennai have not been spared of these persecution or oppression contrary to your claims. In late 2009, it was reported that traditionalists protested against the burial of a Qadiani in a Muslim cemetery, exhumed the corpse and buried it elsewhere. http//www.thepersecution.org/world/india/09/06/eb08.html

You may decry the reference I have cited but still similar incidence have been reported in other places in India or Pakistan. Unfortunately, these events do not garner international coverage, so the world continue in ignorance of the extent of radicalism in traditional Muslim society.

Now, traditionalists consider Qur'an alone Muslims even worse than Ahmadis because the latter at least recognize the authority of hadith. If the Ahmadis do not cope well with in traditional Muslim societies, what chance do Qur'an alone Muslims like me stand? In the past, there has been several waves of crackdown and arrest on the Quran alone community in Egypt. And late 2015, Sudan arrested and threatened 25 Muslims for denial of hadith, threatening them with death penalty. https//www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/16/sudan-charges-25-death-penalty-apostasy-sharia-law

I am telling you man, open your eyes. I know salafis or traditionalists may not necessarily start murdering Qur'an alone Muslims, but there'll definitely resort to prosecution, persecution and discriminatory tactics to save their ideology. If it were not for the safe haven the west provided for Qur'an alone voices like Edip Yuksel or Ahmed Subhy Mansur, these men may have met their death at the hand of fanatic traditional Muslims. It is important to note that even in the west these men still have to live in fear, they have to deal with death threats now and then. Because as evident by the assassination of Rashad Khalifa, if you pose enough ideological threat to traditional Islam, the fanatic Muslims would stop at nothing to hunt you down.

[reel]

what to do , reel i have a bad habit of remembering things and also i apply them whenever i need them.

You were trained to do so.

i cannot forget your "Soooo important "

Show where I said that blasphemous thing.

BTW who are those "other Quran followers " a sub sect of Quran aloners ?

Bad trick. Going in circle with titles isn't gonna hide the violence of your sects and that you kill those who have a diff view on Islam and wish this to be known to save the average sectarians from your oppression.

it is amazing to see that a person who says Quran approves any type of prayer is a "salafi" and one who bash and make mockery of other sect is "progressive Muslim"

Wait, you basically said you remember things. Just in that link you called me a fundamentalist which I truly have taken as a compliment. Now I am a progressive Muslim????? I never claimed to be that. I can?t. As said earlier, to us, muslim is a state of mind. Then where did you get that progressive Muslim? Once again, this isn't gonna hide the violence of your sects and that you kill those who have a diff view on Islam and wish this to be known to save the average sectarians from your oppression. I am not someone who has no idea about what you follow. You have been shown the truth of your lessons many times. To hide it, you try to trick everyone to believe that the person who shows it is at fault. You are doing here exactly that. I have seen that many times in your sectarian brothers including those who claim to be atheists.
To readers, go to the following link
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608260.msg383670#msg383670
See everything I caught in that about his ?lessons? using reasoning skill as we are told by God
Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are the deaf and dumb who do not use reason. 822
We have a price to pay for not using our intellect. Our eyes and ears will be questioned by God. By using them, we help ourselves to be muslim. Otherwise, there is no difference between us and animals.

dont fail to read my answer post their

And what is so convincing about it? You can flip any time you like because you follow moral relativism brought to you by your hadiths. You are not in a position to have a firm character.

you haven't change a bit ,reel

Glad to hear I haven?t changed. That pretty much means I am living up to
O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice, witnesses for Allah , even if it be against yourselves or parents and relatives. Whether one is rich or poor, Allah is more worthy of both. So follow not inclination, lest you not be just. And if you distort or refuse, then indeed Allah is ever, with what you do, Acquainted.4135

you can scream but in reality ,you are promoting a new sect .

Feel free to deny God?s definition. I am not manager over you, but do not expect me to change my opinion. Going in circle with titles isn't gonna hide the violence of your sects and that you kill those who have a diff view on Islam and wish this to be known to save the average sectarians from your oppression.

otherwise ,just accept everyone and be on your way without making mockery of others .i used to these types of argument ,reel .day in and day out , salafis mocks at hanafis and hanafis do the same .what is the difference between you and them

First of all, don?t count me in your groups of ?muslims?. You have these sects because you people can?t agree on the hadiths and you also want your humans gods to be more popular than the other. It was never started because of Quran. And saying that you kill people who have different view is not mocking. Neither is saying that your hadiths make no sense and don?t even match what is instructed in the Quran. You shouldn?t be even questioning us on this when you have no problem believing in this
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Verse 22.40
those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allah." And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might.
now club this verse with Verse 2.62
Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans - those who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.

and

Verse 5.69
Indeed, those who have believed and those who were Jews or Sabeans or Christians - those who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.

Whoa! You are not part of them. Your hadiths make followers grieve. You don?t support God at all. You have denied his verses many times. You have lied here. You keep flipping. You think someone saying that your sects kill people is a mockery of you. Monasteries, churches and synagogues have certainly supported God by supporting other humans. They don?t go around killing those who have a different view than theirs. They pretty much live up to majority of the Quran verses. And hence, study continuously shows west is more faithful to Quran than your so called muslim countries.
Dear people, do you see how he is repeatedly proving my point that hadiths make its followers immoral? He denies God?s verses all the time. He thinks just by saying he believes in God he can get away with his immoral activities. This is what hadiths do to people.

Am i misleading anyone here .is it a view of a salafi .salafis believe that the verse 2.62 was abrogated ,deliberately ignoring the verse 5.69
this is the view of a progressive Muslim .

The misled will always mislead.
None of my business to see what progressive muslims believe. Those are just like you. They don?t deny hadiths. They just want some parts of it to go by denying that it is already being done. They are fine with this religion of yours started by Trump 1.0.

i dont know weather sir syed ahmed khan or ghulam ahmed parvez were killed because they were hadith rejectors .

Your ISIS killed some in Iraq recently. A father and child were beheaded in Bangladesh. Another in India was buried alive. They made one disappear in the 90s. His body was recovered after many years. Recently, one was arrested in Egypt. 25 were arrested in Sudan. They didn't spare the kids at first. So it was 27.The 25 were on the verge of getting death penalty. Before them, another man was forced to go back to your sunni religion by the court in that same place. Maliki in Saudi was made to disappear for a while. Your afghan cleric has given fatwa to kill us if seen. Another sent a warning some months ago in which he said we are lucky that we are in the west! We have been also called far more dangerous than everyone else by an Egyptian sectarian scholar. One member here got 50 warnings.

BTW Edip Y?ksel is living peacefully even after bashing bilal Phillips .this is you own cooked up curry ,reel

Were you expecting him to be dead? But for your information, there have been several attempts to assassinate Edip. He isn't living safely. We may not agree with his 19 and many other things which we took as blasphemy like deletion of two verses from the Quran, but that doesn?t mean people here want to kill him.

Islam in Chennai can be divided into two eras .pre zakir naik and post zakir naik .pre zakir naik .pre DZN era never had Muslim schools and rich and wealthy Muslim folks were just freaking out they were not aware of even zakat .poor and illiterate Muslim were just spoiling their life by boozing and gambling
in post era , the first Islamic school that came to Chennai was Islamic international school ,followed by olive international school ,now there are hundreds of Muslims schools running all over Chennai .most of the schools were started/run by the followers of zakir naik .DZN manage to change the rich people in Islamic way .you don't know how many good things are happening in Chennai
with these popularity , another group called tamilnadu towheed jamat came into lime light and they managed to show the poor the right path .
do you still think he is not successful

You thought I have no idea about naik? He has also achieved residency in Saudi Arabia and fund from Dawood Ibrahim. A little about one of his schools
?In November last year, the Union Home Ministry had banned the IRF for five years under Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act for its alleged involvement in terror acts.? economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/59158919.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

BTW the what is your contribution ,reel .....just bashing

One last time, saying I bash isn't gonna hide the violence of your sects and that you kill those who have a diff view on Islam and wish this to be known to save the average sectarians from your oppression.

Man, I thought you were one of us. Till now, I never knew we harbored a fifth columnist in our midst.

@underlined. Where do you live man? In certain parts of the world, heterodox Muslims suffer persecution at the hands of you traditionalists. Ever heard of Muhammad Taha, the Sudanese Muslim thinker executed for apostasy because he opposed sharia law? How about Farag Foda, the Egyptian Muslim secularist? The truth is, you traditionalists will stop at nothing to exterminate anyone powerful enough to pose sufficient threat to your ideals, beliefs or doctrines.
Qadianis in even Chennai have not been spared of these persecution or oppression contrary to your claims. In late 2009, it was reported that traditionalists protested against the burial of a Qadiani in a Muslim cemetery, exhumed the corpse and buried it elsewhere. http//www.thepersecution.org/world/india/09/06/eb08.html

You may decry the reference I have cited but still similar incidence have been reported in other places in India or Pakistan. Unfortunately, these events do not garner international coverage, so the world continue in ignorance of the extent of radicalism in traditional Muslim society.

Now, traditionalists consider Qur'an alone Muslims even worse than Ahmadis because the latter at least recognize the authority of hadith. If the Ahmadis do not cope well with in traditional Muslim societies, what chance do Qur'an alone Muslims like me stand? In the past, there has been several waves of crackdown and arrest on the Quran alone community in Egypt. And late 2015, Sudan arrested and threatened 25 Muslims for denial of hadith, threatening them with death penalty. https//www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/16/sudan-charges-25-death-penalty-apostasy-sharia-law

I am telling you man, open your eyes. I know salafis or traditionalists may not necessarily start murdering Qur'an alone Muslims, but there'll definitely resort to prosecution, persecution and discriminatory tactics to save their ideology. If it were not for the safe haven the west provided for Qur'an alone voices like Edip Yuksel or Ahmed Subhy Mansur, these men may have met their death at the hand of fanatic traditional Muslims. It is important to note that even in the west these men still have to live in fear, they have to deal with death threats now and then. Because as evident by the assassination of Rashad Khalifa, if you pose enough ideological threat to traditional Islam, the fanatic Muslims would stop at nothing to hunt you down.

Great post.

[parvez_mushtaq]

Such a empty post .i understand your post was stolen by neptin .but i was expecting a list of of schools ,collages ,old age home ,universities ,orphanages,....etc founded by you/your sect .even now i understand you cannot create something which is not there

You were trained to do so.

by whom .by salafi group or by DZN or since i have a soft corner for Jews do you came to know I was trained by Jews or since I have my base from ffi,you came to know that ali sina had trained me and send me here. i dont know from when you started to have the knowledge of unseen .how can you make such allegation when you don?t have knowledge of it .
one thing I have understood very clearly , you just want to tag me salafi and quench your hatred on salafis using my name .by hook or crook you are forcing me this tag .
was it me or you who wrote the article of 73 sects .even then you were not answering the topic instead you were registering your hatred on those people .i am not bothered what you do or think about them but why you are using me for your whims and fancies .do you know anything about me ,did we had any chat or any conversation .how can you make such a heinous claim
if you are so much desperate to mock at them ,then I will give you a better idea ,open a fake salafi account then post your killer questions to your fake account and you, yourself give killer answers to your killer questions .but never claim that you have the knowledge of unseen .don?t became a judge for others .you don?t have right as well as you are not authorized to do by GOD

??..? Once again, this isn't gonna hide the violence of your sects and that you kill those who have a diff view on Islam and wish this to be known to save the average sectarians from your oppression. I am not someone who has no idea about what you follow. You have been shown the truth of your lessons many times. To hide it, you try to trick everyone to believe that the person who shows it is at fault. You are doing here exactly that. I have seen that many times in your sectarian brothers including those who claim to be atheists.

Again the same tag is being forced on me .how you came to know that I am planning those killings how can you pull me into it .i oppressed ,I killed ?all those ?..non?. you are just registering your hatred using me ?why .who gave you this authority

Whoa! You are not part of them. Your hadiths make followers grieve. You don?t support God at all. You have denied his verses many times. You have lied here. You keep flipping. You think someone saying that your sects kill people is a mockery of you. Monasteries, churches and synagogues have certainly

same old thing .not word about verse I have quoted rather forcing me a salafi tag to spill the hatred on those who killed .if you want to do ,do it but why using me .i want to do something constructive for my ummah ,if you cannot help me pl don?t do the destructive work .i cannot answer rest of your post and i will not answer any of your future post if it carries ties type of allegations.
Jazak ALLAHU khairan