How can the God Alone movement advance?
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'God alone' is only as good as how realistic people's understanding of 'God' and 'alone' is.
So far the common view on this forum is
God Alone = Quran Alone
Thus God = QuranMight be a bit better than other religious movements, in that it is less dogmatic and less fearful to dissent.
Untested.. wait until they gained power.. and my bet is that they will end up the same as other religious movement..
"if you want to test a man's character, give him power"
-- Abe LincolnA religion / cult need dogma and union of society..
Otherwise the religion / cult shall become weak without anything to bind the people upon..Free minders and dissenting opinion goes against such objective..
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If you take the prophet Mohammed as an example, he presented not a whole package, he came only with Quran. But some people in Mekka followed him. Everything else came step by step as it was necessary to have a political leader.
yes , you are correct
quran alone will never take off unless we have a rich ,influential or a political leader who will change a country .in the present scenario ,we need a rich and powerful man who will promote .otherwise , May ALLAH subhanavatala make one of us to be rich and powerful so that these system will come out this stupid box -
So far the common view on this forum is
God Alone = Quran Alone
Thus God = Quranwrong equation
God alone = Quran alone = a last testimony for all religionsUntested.. wait until they gained power.. and my bet is that they will end up the same as other religious movement..
"if you want to test a man's character, give him power"
-- Abe LincolnA religion / cult need dogma and union of society..
Otherwise the religion / cult shall become weak without anything to bind the people upon..Free minders and dissenting opinion goes against such objective..
upon seeing few fanatics here regrading Quran alone , i may agree with you to some extent .if they finish as one more sect on the ground then it is not GOD alone
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wrong equation
God alone = Quran alone = a last testimony for all religions upon seeing few fanatics here regrading Quran alone , i may agree with you to some extent .if they finish as one more sect on the ground then it is not GOD aloneGod Alone = God Alone
God Alone = Quran Alone Then God = Quran, Idolating a book titled Quran
God Alone = Jesus Alone Then God = Jesus, Idolating a person named Jesus
God Alone = Bible Alone Then God = Bible, Idolating a book titled Bible -
God Alone = God Alone
God Alone = Quran Alone Then God = Quran, Idolating a book titled Quran
God Alone = Jesus Alone Then God = Jesus, Idolating a person named Jesus
God Alone = Bible Alone Then God = Bible, Idolating a book titled BibleAmazing Jafar
as per you ,an atheists think he got the absolute power over his life .do you really think nobody controls your life .do you think you can get whatever you have planned .
the reality is ,no one can control his own life .as a matter of fact even salah , prayer, quran or even black magic can never control his/her/other people life
the author of quran claims that he has the absolute control of everything and commands the reader to follow his book cover to cover but never guaranties the control to anyone . following quran can never mean to idolizing it .quran cannot harm or gain anyone or anything .i believe the one who controls my life has given quran and i should abide him .
BTW ,do you have an answer to this ayah
Verse 22.73O people, an example is presented, so listen to it. Indeed, those you invoke besides Allah will never create a fly, even if they gathered together for that purpose. And if the fly should steal away from them a thing, they could not recover it from him. Weak are the pursuer and pursued.
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@ brother pervaiz
God alone = God alone no left and right
rest are the creation signs and messages of God in the shape of books,planets,prophets,sun,moon stars etc
what you are asking from brother jaffar is same if u tell a hadith person whats about this hadith " in which u must have to follow hadith" otherwise u ll misguided or kafir
he take the same approach not only stick to quran but he said bible torah and everything whatever is availaible
so its a logical fallacy to think that way let say like other wholy scriptures people mix truth with falsehood but soon after the universal God make their lie infront of them so he is not unaware and his signs are not stopped yet thats what he said
you beleive in quran becoz quran is saying you to beleive in quran
you beleive in bible bcoz bible is saying you to beleive in
exactly God alone = God alone
and he dnt need the help of any creation to run his system of God alone
the only exception in quran is the book is standing what he claims thats why i give this book a real consideration
there are some verses regarding hell punishment what i have to talk about with people but i feel nobody is attempting that things as they say its metaphorical approach and so thats why its not for kids under age 13 a really horrible stuff in hell prison
even the book is saying to you the mininmun requirements of getting successful in 2 62
so yeh you dnt need anything to approach GodGod bless you
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wiki says
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IdolAn idol is an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed or any person or thing regarded with admiration, adoration, or devotion.
i dont see any of Muslims make any idol of any for their worship
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God Alone = God Alone
God Alone = Quran Alone Then God = Quran, Idolating a book titled Quran
God Alone = Jesus Alone Then God = Jesus, Idolating a person named Jesus
God Alone = Bible Alone Then God = Bible, Idolating a book titled BibleThat's very poorly designed because
then
Me alone= Idolization of me
My intellect alone= Idolization of my intellect alone
Me taking my lessons only from the world= Idolization of the worldSpending time on something I despise Wasting time on something I despise
There might be some misunderstandings I have. But if there are means for clarification right on the site where I believe people are idolizing the book and I am not open to that despite requests from others then me = troll.
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yes , you are correct
quran alone will never take off unless we have a rich ,influential or a political leader who will change a country .in the present scenario ,we need a rich and powerful man who will promote .otherwise , May ALLAH subhanavatala make one of us to be rich and powerful so that these system will come out this stupid boxYep, and your sectarian leaders understand that quite well. That's why, they start fox news styled rumors to make sure the Quran aloners who have a huge voice are dead!!!!
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That's very poorly designed because
then
Me alone= Idolization of me
My intellect alone= Idolization of my intellect alone"Me alone" A is TRUE because I SAID SO
"My intellect alone" A is TRUE because my intellect SAID SOCommonly refered as "ego centrism".. self worshiping..
From Egyptian Pharaoh, Roman Emperor, Ottoman Sultan to today's dictators.. The Supreme Leader of North Korea or even The Leader of the Free World.Thus IF
"Quran Alone" A is TRUE because the Quran SAID SO..Fell into the same characteristics as above..
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Amazing Jafar
as per you ,an atheists think he got the absolute power over his life .do you really think nobody controls your life .do you think you can get whatever you have planned .I didn't said that.. you must conjure that up from your own perception..
In reality, everything shall perform everything as planned by the ultimate planner up to meticulous details..
the reality is ,no one can control his own life .as a matter of fact even salah , prayer, quran or even black magic can never control his/her/other people life
Agree..
the author of quran claims that he has the absolute control of everything and commands the reader to follow his book cover to cover but never guaranties the control to anyone . following quran can never mean to idolizing it .quran cannot harm or gain anyone or anything .i believe the one who controls my life has given quran and i should abide him .
See above.. if one think can argue that A is true just because His/Her Holy Book said so.. then it is the same as idolizing his / her holy book, whatever the title of his / her holy book is.
Quran (and also Bible, Book OF The Dead, Sumerian Tablet and other scriptures claimed to be written by God/ Deities) cannot harm or gain anyone or anything I agree...
The next question should be
Why did people wrote materials and make a claim that it was written by Gods / Deities.. -
And why people always think of ADVANCEMENT as
"Gaining More Power / Influence"?First meaning noun
the process of promoting a cause or plan."Me alone" A is TRUE because I SAID SO
"My intellect alone" A is TRUE because my intellect SAID SOIs that how your mind operates and thus, you believe all of us think that way?
Commonly refered as "ego centrism".. self worshiping..
From Egyptian Pharaoh, Roman Emperor, Ottoman Sultan to today's dictators.. The Supreme Leader of North Korea or even The Leader of the Free World.Thus IF
"Quran Alone" A is TRUE because the Quran SAID SO..Fell into the same characteristics as above..
So you basically came to Quran alone at first because the Book said so and you actually did not care about other verses?
Is "God Alone Movement" a "Political Movement"?
Why are you always miffed at Saudi government? How do you stand up against them all by yourself? And if they go atheist how would you stand up against them all by yourself? Freaky thing is that there is literally no diff between the "wahabbi" and "atheist" Arabs of that country. That confirms my idea that present day Islam is atheism. Try talking to some of their citizens on reddit.
"In the social sciences, a political movement is a social group that operates together to obtain a political goal,on a local, regional, national, or international scope. Political movements develop, coordinate, promulgate, revise, amend, interpret, and produce materials that are intended to address the goals of the base of the movement." https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_movement
God alone comes with the idea of eliminating oppression. It is the way of making sure God given rights of people are respected.
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That's very poorly designed because
then
Me alone= Idolization of me
My intellect alone= Idolization of my intellect alone
Me taking my lessons only from the world= Idolization of the worldRed That sounds like Materialism.
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There's no such thing as "God alone movement", this is unfortunately a deceiving name, when we should be called Muslims and not Quran-alone Muslims, and it should be Islam, not Quran alone or other weird names.
Muslim, Mumin, Islam. God has named us those who have submitted (Muslims), so there's no need to use other names.
The striving may already have begun or will soon, and there should be 100% confidence that there will be a nation with system Islam as it's already said in Quran that "Israel" will fall a second time and the Sacred Temple will be retaken.
I hope it's soon.
Salam
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There's no such thing as "God alone movement", this is unfortunately a deceiving name, when we should be called Muslims and not Quran-alone Muslims, and it should be Islam, not Quran alone or other weird names.
Muslim, Mumin, Islam. God has named us those who have submitted (Muslims), so there's no need to use other names.
The striving may already have begun or will soon, and there should be 100% confidence that there will be a nation with system Islam as it's already said in Quran that "Israel" will fall a second time and the Sacred Temple will be retaken.
I hope it's soon.
Salam
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Yep, and your sectarian leaders understand that quite well.
i dont think you and me are different sect .as a matter of fact i can't even say others whom you call "sectarians" are different from us . their perception of Quran is different andwe are not authorized to find faults with others instead we can correct our selfs .by dividing me ,you have just formed an sect called Quran aloners .congratulations .can you guaranty , only Quran alnoners are the true followers of Islam. can you give a proof from GOD .Do you have a mail or a sms message from GOD for that claim .i think you have missed my post , have a look at this post
wrong equation
God alone = Quran alone = a last testimony for all religions upon seeing few fanatics here regrading Quran alone , i may agree with you to some extent .if they finish as one more sect on the ground then it is not GOD aloneThat's why, they start fox news styled rumors to make sure the Quran aloners who have a huge voice are dead!!!!
money matters ,reel
it was zakir naik who changed my life.they conducted a expo in Chennai about a decade ago .they invited hundreds of international orators ,it was a huge exhibition conducted in an area of about 10 acres .do you know the cost of that expo .it was about 5 crores Indian.after that ,each year they conducted such expos and it was a run away success .partly they invested and partly they raised funds in the expo itself .
this is what i call a huge voice
we dont have voice ,reel .even to conduct a workshop ,in Chennai , we need about a million Indian rupees
the fact is ,we cannot conduct even a workshop anywhere in the world .we born here and die here .if you still think you have "huge voice "......lol -
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In reality, everything shall perform everything as planned by the ultimate planner up to meticulous details..........
who is that meticulous ultimate planner .the quest for the answer of this question must be the same age as the human race on this earth
See above.. if one think can argue that A is true just because His/Her Holy Book said so.. then it is the same as idolizing his / her holy book, whatever the title of his / her holy book is.
Quran (and also Bible, Book OF The Dead, Sumerian Tablet and other scriptures claimed to be written by God/ Deities) cannot harm or gain anyone or anything I agree...
the above question was repeatedly answered in each and every religious book some took them as idols and few took them as way of life .Quran endorse all those books and at the same time ,it stands apart from them .believing something is not idolizing .
The next question should be
Why did people wrote materials and make a claim that it was written by Gods / Deities..i think i have just answered your question
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i dont think you and me are different sect .as a matter of fact i can't even say others whom you call "sectarians" are different from us .
If you were actually living Quran you would have known our view on the sectarians.
their perception of Quran is different andwe are not authorized to find faults with others
There you go, every time an issue related to your kind of Islam is presented in front of you people, instead of trying to solve it, you try to shut the person.
Not find fault in others who kill someone trying to promote a diff, but more peaceful perspective than theirs???? Thanks for that. I am keeping a screenshot of this.
instead we can correct our selfs .by dividing me ,you have just formed an sect called Quran aloners
Irony at best. First you say we can correct ourselves and that I am dividing you. Just at the end, you bring up your innovation that I am forming sect with Quran alone.
God himself gave us the meaning of sect in that Book. I stick to that. It seems you don't!
.congratulations .can you guaranty , only Quran alnoners are the true followers of Islam. can you give a proof from GOD .Do you have a mail or a sms message from GOD for that claim .
Of course yes!!!!!! Just follow what the Quran says and see the result. That's the reason why we can't reconcile with your sects.
i think you have missed my post , have a look at this post money matters ,reel
it was zakir naik who changed my life.they conducted a expo in Chennai about a decade ago .they invited hundreds of international orators ,it was a huge exhibition conducted in an area of about 10 acres .do you know the cost of that expo .it was about 5 crores Indian.after that ,each year they conducted such expos and it was a run away success .partly they invested and partly they raised funds in the expo itself .
this is what i call a huge voiceDude, you can't compare us to you. Your sectarian folks hate us to death because of our decision to follow Quran alone despite the fact they hardly have any idea about all the hadiths. In your society, a person must accept at least a few dozens hadiths to remain alive. I do not understand the psychology behind that. And your charity is not sign of anything big at all in front of the fact that majority of the Muslim countries are lagging behind. Plus, your sectarian Islam whether salafi or anything else provides certain benefits to men such as 0 percent moral standard. Why wouldn't naik be then successful?
if you still think you have "huge voice "......lol
Reread my post. I am not dead.
