Which are the sacred months
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Peace owlwithbow.
How do we know when the four sacred months arrive?
The longest daytime is familiar to us all.
When we observe the longest daytime,
we know that soon afterwards the scorching ful moon (shahr ramadan) will rise,
which is the first forbidden full moon.Please refer to Ayman's article
https//www.free-minds.org/Old/articles/science/timing.htm -
The longest daytime is familiar to us all.
When we observe the longest daytime,
we know that soon afterwards the scorching ful moon (shahr ramadan) will risepeace, it depends on which hemisphere north/south therefore it's mirrored see prior post.
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Peace owlwithbow.
The longest daytime is familiar to us all.
When we observe the longest daytime,
we know that soon afterwards the scorching ful moon (shahr ramadan) will rise,
which is the first forbidden full moon.Please refer to Ayman's article
https//www.free-minds.org/Old/articles/science/timing.htmIt would be great if you explained it to me.
I can understand that we can observe when the longest daytime is. It's in summer somewhere, if i am correct. In winter we have the smallest daytime if i am correct.
But where does the Quran say that Ramadan begins when the longest day is at hand?
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It would be great if you explained it to me.
I can understand that we can observe when the longest daytime is. It's in summer somewhere, if i am correct. In winter we have the smallest daytime if i am correct.
But where does the Quran say that Ramadan begins when the longest day is at hand?
You must know that ramadan means hot,
so shahr ramadan is one of the hot full moons of hot summer.Paragraph from Ayman's article
We also know that the whole context of chapter 9... is about fighting the idolaters who broke their treaty. A sign in verse 981 indicates that the time of a particularly big fight that the hypocrites were fearful from was a hot time of the year. Shortly afterwards, 986 talks about a chapter descending at that time and from 2185 we know that "shahr ramadhan" is when the great reading was descended so that provides an additional link between "shahr ramadhan" and "al-shahr al-haram". Hence, circumstantial evidence from the great reading supports that "al-shahr al-haram"/"shahr ramadhan" is a hot time of the year and confirms the dictionary's meaning.
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You must know that ramadan means hot,
so shahr ramadan is one of the hot full moons of hot summer.Paragraph from Ayman's article
We also know that the whole context of chapter 9... is about fighting the idolaters who broke their treaty. A sign in verse 981 indicates that the time of a particularly big fight that the hypocrites were fearful from was a hot time of the year. Shortly afterwards, 986 talks about a chapter descending at that time and from 2185 we know that "shahr ramadhan" is when the great reading was descended so that provides an additional link between "shahr ramadhan" and "al-shahr al-haram". Hence, circumstantial evidence from the great reading supports that "al-shahr al-haram"/"shahr ramadhan" is a hot time of the year and confirms the dictionary's meaning.
I don't have much knowledge on this subject.
But what do you think about the calendar the majority uses now? Ramadan keeps coming in a different period of the time. Sometimes we fast in winter, and sometimes in summer.
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I don't have much knowledge on this subject.
But what do you think about the calendar the majority uses now? Ramadan keeps coming in a different period of the time. Sometimes we fast in winter, and sometimes in summer.
The calendar the majority uses now is based on the 365-day solar year
and that is what the word sanah (year) stands for in the Quran.Ramadan keeps coming 11 days EARLIER than the former
because it is not real ramadan, it is false ramadan.
The real ramadan up in the sky comes 19 days LATER after the 13th full moon.Times of 2018's full moons (https//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2018&country=74)
---1-------2------3--------4--------5--------6--------7-------8-------9--------10------11------12-------13
2 Jan-31 Jan-2 Mar- 31 Mar-30 Apr-29 May-28 Jun-27 Jul-26 Aug-25 Sep-24 Oct-23 Nov- 22 DecIt is obvious that 2019's first moon will come 19 days LATER than 2018's first moon
because 2018's 13th moon will delay it.The false moons of the 12-moon lunar year
have been made up
by means of postponment ( in 937) ON PAPER of the 13th moon.I say ON PAPER
because man has no call and no power to actually postpone it
as he cannot reach up to the sky and move it from where it is.The real ramadan is fixed in its time in terms of season;
that is, it always comes in the beginning of hot summer.
That was probably why it was given the name shahr ramadan - scorching full moon.Peace,
Hasan Akcay -
The calendar the majority uses now is based on the 365-day solar year
and that is what the word sanah (year) stands for in the Quran.Ramadan keeps coming 11 days EARLIER than the former
because it is not real ramadan, it is false ramadan.
The real ramadan up in the sky comes 19 days LATER after the 13th full moon.Times of 2018's full moons (https//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2018&country=74)
---1-------2------3--------4--------5--------6--------7-------8-------9--------10------11------12-------13
2 Jan-31 Jan-2 Mar- 31 Mar-30 Apr-29 May-28 Jun-27 Jul-26 Aug-25 Sep-24 Oct-23 Nov- 22 DecIt is obvious that 2019's first moon will come 19 days LATER than 2018's first moon
because 2018's 13th moon will delay it.The false moons of the 12-moon lunar year
have been made up
by means of postponment ( in 937) ON PAPER of the 13th moon.I say ON PAPER
because man has no call and no power to actually postpone it
as he cannot reach up to the sky and move it from where it is.The real ramadan is fixed in its time in terms of season;
that is, it always comes in the beginning of hot summer.
That was probably why it was given the name shahr ramadan - scorching full moon.Peace,
Hasan AkcayWhy 13 full moons? A full year is 12 months?
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Why 13 full moons? A full year is 12 months?
Lunar month (represented by waxing crescent, full moon, waning crescent, etc) is one thing,
calendar month is another;
they are not similar let alone the same.Lunar months (e,g. full moons) are created by God, they are up in the sky, and each one of them represents 29.5 days
but calendar months are man-made, they are ON PAPER called calendar, and they change in length from 29 to 31 days.You had better not mix them up.
SANAH (year) according to the Quran is the time that the earth takes to rotate once around the sun;
there are sometimes 12 lunar moths (e,g 12 full moons) in it, sometimes 13, like in this year of 2018.Lunar months (e,g full moons) do not make the year,
they make the series of full moons ( in 936). -
Lunar month (represented by waxing crescent, full moon, waning crescent, etc) is one thing,
calendar month is another;
they are not similar let alone the same.Lunar months (e,g. full moons) are created by God, they are up in the sky, and each one of them represents 29.5 days
but calendar months are man-made, they are ON PAPER called calendar, and they change in length from 29 to 31 days.You had better not mix them up.
SANAH (year) according to the Quran is the time that the earth takes to rotate once around the sun;
there are sometimes 12 lunar moths (e,g 12 full moons) in it, sometimes 13, like in this year of 2018.Lunar months (e,g full moons) do not make the year,
they make the series of full moons ( in 936).Well, don't the Arabs and Jews follow a lunar calendar?
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Well, don't the Arabs and Jews follow a lunar calendar?
Jews do not follow the pure lunar year,
they folow a luni-solar yearSince the sum of 12 lunar months is about 11 days shorter than a solar year, a leap month is added every 2 to 3 years, or 7 times in a 19-year cycle. Leap months are meant to keep the calendar in step with the astronomical seasons and make sure that the religious observances occur at the correct time of year, as mentioned in the Torah. (https//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/jewish-calendar.html)
As for the Arabs, they do follow the pure lunar year in our time
but that lunar year does not have a sense of time because it does not have seasons,
so the Arabs cannot answer "According to the lunar year what season was I born?"The only year system which Allah approves of is the solar year. The Quran provides proofs of this, one of which is 105*.
*From Yunus 5
God is the one who? determined phases for the moon
so that you may know the number of the years (َ.One of the phases of the moon is the full moon.
Here are the times of the 33 hot full moons (the full moons right after the longest daytime) from 2001 to 2033. If you count them you will know the number of the solar years as Allah says in 105, but you will never know the number of the so-called lunar years.
05 July. 2001
24 June 2002 ----- 1 (full moon 13)
13 July. 2003
02 July. 2004
22 June 2005 ----- 2
11 July. 2006
30 June 2007 ----- 3
17 July. 2008
07 June 2009 ----- 4
26 July. 2010
15 July. 2011
03 July. 2012
23 June 2013 ----- 5
12 July. 2014
02 July. 2015 ----- 6
19 July. 2016
09 July. 2017
28 June 2018 ----- 7
16 July. 201905 July. 2020
24 June 2021 ----- 8
13 July. 2022
02 July. 2023
22 June 2024 ----- 9
11 July. 2025
30 June 2026 ---- 10
17 July. 2027
07 July. 2029
26 June 2030 ---- 11
15 July. 2031
03 July. 2032
23 June 2033 ---- 1233 hot full moons = 33 solar years
??????????? = 34 lunar years -
Jews do not follow the pure lunar year,
they folow a luni-solar yearSince the sum of 12 lunar months is about 11 days shorter than a solar year, a leap month is added every 2 to 3 years, or 7 times in a 19-year cycle. Leap months are meant to keep the calendar in step with the astronomical seasons and make sure that the religious observances occur at the correct time of year, as mentioned in the Torah. (https//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/jewish-calendar.html)
As for the Arabs, they do follow the pure lunar year in our time
but that lunar year does not have a sense of time because it does not have seasons,
so the Arabs cannot answer "According to the lunar year what season was I born?"The only year system which Allah approves of is the solar year. The Quran provides proofs of this, one of which is 105*.
*From Yunus 5
God is the one who? determined phases for the moon
so that you may know the number of the years (َ.One of the phases of the moon is the full moon.
Here are the times of the 33 hot full moons (the full moons right after the longest daytime) from 2001 to 2033. If you count them you will know the number of the solar years as Allah says in 105, but you will never know the number of the so-called lunar years.
05 July. 2001
24 June 2002 ----- 1 (full moon 13)
13 July. 2003
02 July. 2004
22 June 2005 ----- 2
11 July. 2006
30 June 2007 ----- 3
17 July. 2008
07 June 2009 ----- 4
26 July. 2010
15 July. 2011
03 July. 2012
23 June 2013 ----- 5
12 July. 2014
02 July. 2015 ----- 6
19 July. 2016
09 July. 2017
28 June 2018 ----- 7
16 July. 201905 July. 2020
24 June 2021 ----- 8
13 July. 2022
02 July. 2023
22 June 2024 ----- 9
11 July. 2025
30 June 2026 ---- 10
17 July. 2027
07 July. 2029
26 June 2030 ---- 11
15 July. 2031
03 July. 2032
23 June 2033 ---- 1233 hot full moons = 33 solar years
??????????? = 34 lunar yearsGod is the one who? determined phases for the moon
so that you may know the number of the years (َ.How is that verse talking about a solar calendar? Isn't that verse talking about a lunar calendar?
I don't understand it.
You used a formula to find out when the full moons will be. Can't that formula be used in a lunar calendar type?
Can you take your time if that what you say is really true. I don't have any knowledge about basic science. So i am willing to be patience, if it makes sense.