Palavers about Qur'aan.
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I nowhere suggest traditional or modern translations. I just say academic rules of translating a source language text. Source language text is what it says, not that what I want to listen.
Are these your translation in an earlier post of yours in reply to my post?
I hope you know that certain words need disambiguation. In Arabic the visual sign is that disambiguation noun is always in accusative case. is disambiguation accusative for .
You the Messenger tell them "May l disclose to you who is worse liquefying and irritating sufferer in this group; worse requital by the decree of Allah the Exalted?
He is whom Allah the Exalted has discarded as condemned and cursed; and has decreed criminal cognizance upon him.
And He the Exalted had declared some amongst such people as apes and swine;
And worse sufferer is he who served the defiant/aberrant.
They are the people who are mischievous, by their disposition - behavioral settlement. And they are distantly lost away from the even course to destination.And you the Messenger mention in the Book Idries
Beyond doubt he was always absolutely truthful; he was the Elevated and Chosen Distinct Allegiant-Subject of Allah the Exalted.
And We had elevated him to exalted place.You the Messenger pronounce, "Anyone who is absorbed in deliberate neglectful indifference, thereby Ar'Reh'maan will certainly permit for him- let him stretch in neglectful indifference, as an extension ;
Till such time when they would have seen what is being promised to them, either the infliction before the Last Day or the Last Moment;
Thereat, they will thenceforth know with certainty who is in liquefying-irritating state by way of placement, and is weakest, with regard to supportive people." -
I tried to bring to academic rules and to accepted norms of how to read a book. It was an effort. Many people believe first in some book without having read but then accept not the words of books seeing somehow it does not appeal to their understanding of things.
Like great books Qur'aan is chunked. Major part of the text is Narrative.
Narrative writing uses time as its deep structure. Language features of narrative text areAdverb of time.
Past tense.
Time conjunction (when, then, thereat, suddenly, etc)
Specific character. The character of the episode is specific, not general.
Action verbs. A verb that shows an action.
Direct speech. It is to make the episode lively.
And people also naively forget that in injunctions straight forward substantives are used which cannot be assigned metaphorical meanings.
It is a command. It would be a strange imagination to say it means "You are directed to render clean my System".
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So lets say that there is a physical house of Allah on this earth. How does it become dirty and how do you clean it?
Have you never visited any monument - famous place - famous building in the world? But people do visit and they notice the arrangements of cleanliness for them.
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Thank you Mazhar. I got it.
Salaam
Another point to get convinced that it only means "the House". Visit by people gives rise to tourism industry. Brings riches to the local population. The town where the House was built is a barren valley. But became an enlivened place; the destination point of Silk Route.
The riches brought by it is also mentioned and reminded to people of Mecca in Qur'aan.
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Another point to get convinced that it only means "the House". Visit by people gives rise to tourism industry. Brings riches to the local population. The town where the House was built is a barren valley. But became an enlivened place; the destination point of Silk Route.
The riches brought by it is also mentioned and reminded to people of Mecca in Qur'aan.
I got it but you did not. I got it that you have your tunnel vision highly influenced by traditions and will not consider any other possibility.
Your post is a proof how "the House" has been used to gather riches like any other religious mafia in this world.
The religious elite would take away life long savings of people in the name of the most compassionate and guarantee forgiveness of all sins. It sweeps under the carpet all concept of justice of Allah swt making the Hakeem and the Aleem Creator a worldly king who uses his powers to punish or reward without any rules. The Quran tells us that He created rules for himself as well and He does not violate them. The most obvious one is in 612
.........He has prescribed for Himself mercy.......
So please you continue your way and let me carry on my way. There is no compulsion in Deen. We can share our understanding but should not compel each other for accepting it.
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I got it but you did not. I got it that you have your tunnel vision highly influenced by traditions and will not consider any other possibility.
Your post is a proof how "the House" has been used to gather riches like any other religious mafia in this world.
The religious elite would take away life long savings of people in the name of the most compassionate and guarantee forgiveness of all sins. It sweeps under the carpet all concept of justice of Allah swt making the Hakeem and the Aleem Creator a worldly king who uses his powers to punish or reward without any rules. The Quran tells us that He created rules for himself as well and He does not violate them. The most obvious one is in 612
.........He has prescribed for Himself mercy.......
So please you continue your way and let me carry on my way. There is no compulsion in Deen. We can share our understanding but should not compel each other for accepting it.
My total emphasis is following the academic rules in reading and translating a source language text which obviously does not take into consideration and cares for any tradition.
Al-Bait is a concept discussed in Qur'aan. However, Qur'aan also says people accept some and deny to accept some part of book.
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My total emphasis is following the academic rules in reading and translating a source language text which obviously does not take into consideration and cares for any tradition.
This is your translation from you web site of 171
The desire of approval of the Infinitely Glorious, Allah the Exalted, is the focus of all effort. He the Exalted had arranged the travel carrying His sincere Allegiant-Muhammad for journey; during some part of night?
Is this translation as per academic rules in reading and translating a source language text which obviously does not take into consideration and cares for any tradition?
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This is your translation from you web site of 171
The desire of approval of the Infinitely Glorious, Allah the Exalted, is the focus of all effort. He the Exalted had arranged the travel carrying His sincere Allegiant-Muhammad for journey; during some part of night?
Is this translation as per academic rules in reading and translating a source language text which obviously does not take into consideration and cares for any tradition?
This is transference of the meanings of the sentence of source text. Challenge the meanings by applying academic rules relating to grammar, syntax and semantics.
You can study about Real Life Event mentioned in it in my article
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The corporeal Journey far beyond the ascensions of Earthly Universe
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Unique Night Journey
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The Purpose of Unique Night Journey
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The Destination of Journey
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The Night Journey beyond the Terminus of Earthly Universe was corporeal.
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Ascension had no negative effect on visual faculty of the Elevated Messenger
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This is transference of the meanings of the sentence of source text. Challenge the meanings by applying academic rules relating to grammar, syntax and semantics.
This is your translation from you web site of 171
The desire of approval of the Infinitely Glorious, Allah the Exalted, is the focus of all effort. He the Exalted had arranged the travel carrying His sincere Allegiant-Muhammad for journey; during some part of night?
Is this translation as per academic rules in reading and translating a source language text which obviously does not take into consideration and cares for any tradition?
How did you get this name (highlighted in red) in your above translation?
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How did you get this name (highlighted in red) in your above translation?
Perhaps you seem not aware of Anaphora resolution.
Anaphora resolution is a must
Arabic is an agglutinative language, the pronouns can occur as suffixes of nouns, verbs or prepositions. Therefore, Anaphora Resolution is vital to understanding the meaning of Grand Qur?n. It means the problem of resolving what a pronoun refers to. In written or oral text anaphora can be thought of as ?pointing back or referring to something or someone mentioned earlier?. The entity to which it refers is called its antecedent. The process of determining the antecedent of an anaphor?lexical entity is called anaphora resolution. It is contrasted with cataphora that refers forwards, not backwards.
Pleonastic pronouns are considered non-anaphoric since they are not interpreted as linked to any expression (antecedent). For example, in English the pronoun "it" could be pleonastic, e.g., "It is important".
Pronouns form a special class of anaphors because of their empty semantic structure; they do not have an independent meaning from their antecedent. Thus they will refer a singular entity.
Grand Qur?n is characterized by very frequent use of anaphors. The majority of anaphoric devices in it appear around pronominal anaphors. Hence, the ability to resolve pronoun antecedent is vital to understanding the Qur?n. Grand Qur?n relies on the reader's world knowledge and intuition when using pronouns without explicitly including any antecedent information. For example a good number of second person pronouns in the Qur?n refer to exalted Messenger Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam with no prior mention of his name as we firstly notice in 24.
Similarly, the second person pronoun "you" is understood in command verbs in English. The pronoun "you" can refer a single person, either male or female, two persons or a group of persons. But in Arabic the second person pronouns make distinction between singular male and female, dual, and plural masculine and feminine. Therefore, this peculiar aspect must be reflected in translation.
Third person pronouns can refer both to persons, inanimate objects and fact. The inanimate/non-living objects have also gender distinction. Therefore, we will refer the feminine inanimate object by "she" and masculine by "it, that".
The referent of other pronouns will be mentioned in parenthesis for the convenience of the reader.
It is a Prepositional Phrase coupled with Possessive Phrase. The last third person pronoun (pronouns are always definite) is referent to the Relative Pronoun for Allah the Exalted. The First noun of Possessive Phrase is also definite by construct. It refers to the Specific Person. Specific person needs to be mentioned.
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Perhaps you seem not aware of Anaphora resolution.
Anaphora resolution is a must
Arabic is an agglutinative language, the pronouns can occur as suffixes of nouns, verbs or prepositions. Therefore, Anaphora Resolution is vital to understanding the meaning of Grand Qur?n. It means the problem of resolving what a pronoun refers to. In written or oral text anaphora can be thought of as ?pointing back or referring to something or someone mentioned earlier?. The entity to which it refers is called its antecedent. The process of determining the antecedent of an anaphor?lexical entity is called anaphora resolution. It is contrasted with cataphora that refers forwards, not backwards.
Pleonastic pronouns are considered non-anaphoric since they are not interpreted as linked to any expression (antecedent). For example, in English the pronoun "it" could be pleonastic, e.g., "It is important".
Pronouns form a special class of anaphors because of their empty semantic structure; they do not have an independent meaning from their antecedent. Thus they will refer a singular entity.
The Quran informs us that it is a guidance for the mankind and is easy to take advice from it. But you appear to believe that every human being has to go to a university to get a degree in language sciences to get guidance from the Quran.
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Grand Qur?n is characterized by very frequent use of anaphors. The majority of anaphoric devices in it appear around pronominal anaphors. Hence, the ability to resolve pronoun antecedent is vital to understanding the Qur?n. Grand Qur?n relies on the reader's world knowledge and intuition when using pronouns without explicitly including any antecedent information. For example a good number of second person pronouns in the Qur?n refer to exalted Messenger Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam with no prior mention of his name as we firstly notice in 24.
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and those who believe with what was revealed to you and what was revealed before you....
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......who took to journey His abad.....
I hope you can see the difference between pronoun (you) and (He)
You has to be one who is addressed but His abd could be anyone.
So how did you came to the conclusion that who is "His abd" in 171?
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English "you" can refer to second person singular both feminine and masculine; can be referent to two person male or female and can be referent for many people men and women included. But the pronoun in is referent for second person, masculine, singular. It is referent to one unique person.
Unless you determine who is he, you cannot get the addressee. Towards whom Qur'aan was sent is the person addressed by .
You are at liberty to presume whomever you wish to call the addressee.
You has to be one who is addressed but His abd could be anyone.
A definite noun does not mean "anyone". It means a specific person.
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English "you" can refer to second person singular both feminine and masculine; can be referent to two person male or female and can be referent for many people men and women included. But the pronoun in is referent for second person, masculine, singular. It is referent to one unique person.
Unless you determine who is he, you cannot get the addressee. Towards whom Qur'aan was sent is the person addressed by .
You are at liberty to presume whomever you wish to call the addressee.
Yes is the person who was revealed the Quran. That is exactly what I wrote. But that was not my question. Let me quote it again
I hope you can see the difference between pronoun (you) and (He)
You has to be one who is addressed but His abd could be anyone.
Do you think = ?
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You avoided this part of my post.
The Quran informs us that it is a guidance for the mankind and is easy to take advice from it. But you appear to believe that every human being has to go to a university to get a degree in language sciences to get guidance from the Quran.
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I am waiting for your response brother.
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Whoever is referred as becomes a specific person but how can you conclude that it is Prophet Muhammad?
This is the difference between Passive Reader and Active Reader. I am not reading the translations and exegeses. I am directly and critically reading the original text of Qur'aan.
I emphasize upon people to first learn the art of reading a book. Qur'aan is unique book. It also tells how to comprehend it and how to cross check whether you have correctly understood and translated.
The first claim about the book is that in it there is no vague, ambiguous content. When a reader is blind as to who is being referred, it is either the ambiguity in the book or the reader does not know how to read a book.
Reflect and try to follow this style of reading Qur'aan
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Is it because they do not personally study the Qur?n critically, logically and coherently pursuing its text?
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The Quran informs us that it is a guidance for the mankind and is easy to take advice from it. But you appear to believe that every human being has to go to a university to get a degree in language sciences to get guidance from the Quran.
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I am waiting for your response brother.
I lament to say that you seem not interested in increasing level of understanding. I am sure you do not even understand that the above Ayahs have a claim in them. You, like many others, seem not to have thought and evaluated the statement as to whether it is true or false.
The evidence is that my Thread is on this subject and above Ayahs which you seem not to have read carefully and critically, though you said you agreed to it. Please read the first page of thread along with the given link; may be you get something in it.
If you open the link you will find
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Thereby, for reason of its universality and permanence, Our Majesty have certainly rendered it (Qur?n) easy, open and facilitator for reading and comprehension by transcribing it in the mother tongue Arabic language of you (Muhammad ).
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The purpose of rendering it facilitator is that people might at their own sincerely comprehend, make their selves enlightened, recall and relate it.http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/054.%20Al%20Qamar/54.17.gif
Know the certain fact We have simplified-rendered the Grand Qur?n easy, open and facilitative for reading, comprehension and saving in memory to recall, take lesson and to relate.
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Thereat, is there one who consciously and purposely saves it in memory, comprehends and recalls to mention-takes lesson and admonition? -
After reading the article of thread, please read, selecting from the left pane
How Qur?n was rendered Facilitative for reading.
The statement that Qur?n is rendered facilitative has the value of a claim - to say, without proof or evidence, that something is true. Since the statement is about a book which is meant for reading and comprehending, the statement will be true if the book facilitates the reader both in its reading and comprehension. This is the extent of the statement. If the critical reader finds the statement true to its extent it will obviously highlight the value, quality and importance of the book whereby he will become sincere and reverent for it.
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