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    Mazhar
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    Personal insults will make no difference brother. Bring your proof to validate your translation.

    You missed 2185 which say Quraan is guidance for mankind.

    ......

    SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
    The month of Ramadhan in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for the people .........

    Your references for different addressee are valid to get guidance from them and not making these ayahs for those specific groups. All examples, history etc in Quran are there to give us guidance.

    SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
    Indeed, Allah is not timid to present an example - that of a mosquito or what is smaller than it. And those who have believed know that it is the truth from their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, they say, "What did Allah intend by this as an example?" He misleads many thereby and guides many thereby. And He misleads not except the defiantly disobedient,

    It is no answer. See who are addressed by vocative particle. Importance of structuring the text according to addressee I have already highlighted.

    http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/073.%20Al%20Muzzammil/73.1.gif

    Who is calling and who is called?

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      It is no answer. See who are addressed by vocative particle. Importance of structuring the text according to addressee I have already highlighted.

      http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/073.%20Al%20Muzzammil/73.1.gif

      Who is calling and who is called?

      The author of these verses is commanding to the one who received these verses i.e. prophet Muhammad.

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        Mazhar
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        #121

        The author of these verses is commanding to the one who received these verses i.e. prophet Muhammad.

        Exactly. And it reveals to us that the Speaker is calling upon the Messenger by an epithet, giving him a descriptive name; and we get about his inherent nature, habit, conduct he possessed at the time of this call.

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          Mazhar
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          Already told you.

          http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/053.%20An%20Najam/53.10.gif

          Say who is abd of Allah in it?

          In it also "His abd" is the Messenger. And this sentence is mentioned in the episode of his journey beyond the ascensions of the universe.

          http//haqeeqat.pk/Mairaaj.htm

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            In it also "His abd" is the Messenger. And this sentence is mentioned in the episode of his journey beyond the ascensions of the universe.

            http//haqeeqat.pk/Mairaaj.htm

            Assumption or traditions/ahadith gives you this picture. Where is this ascension described in Quraan?

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              Exactly. And it reveals to us that the Speaker is calling upon the Messenger by an epithet, giving him a descriptive name; and we get about his inherent nature, habit, conduct he possessed at the time of this call.

              What it has to do with your translation of isolated ayah 171?

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                Mazhar
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                What it has to do with your translation of isolated ayah 171?

                Then who is he in 171?

                And who is abd in it

                http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/053.%20An%20Najam/53.10.gif

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                  Mazhar
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                  Assumption or traditions/ahadith gives you this picture. Where is this ascension described in Quraan?

                  Going by the discipline of reading a book, one does not need assumptions and traditions. One figure of speech is Tasreef; and second is frames on subjects/concepts. In every frame there are key words. You can then link the frames and get the complete idea.

                  Qur?n is rendered facilitative for comprehension

                  By unique device like coverage of an event by multiple cameras

                  http//haqeeqat.pk/FacilitatibeByTasreef.htm

                  Where is this ascension described in Quraan?

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                  http//haqeeqat.pk/Mairaaj.htm

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                    Going by the discipline of reading a book, one does not need assumptions and traditions. One figure of speech is Tasreef; and second is frames on subjects/concepts. In every frame there are key words. You can then link the frames and get the complete idea.

                    Qur?n is rendered facilitative for comprehension

                    By unique device like coverage of an event by multiple cameras

                    http//haqeeqat.pk/FacilitatibeByTasreef.htm

                    http//haqeeqat.pk/banners/o3.png

                    http//haqeeqat.pk/Mairaaj.htm

                    Your article is based on 2 suppositions;

                    1-surah najam is about night travel of the prophet from a non-existant masjid ul haram at that time around kaaba to a remotely high masjid.

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                    There is no travel mentioned in these ayahs. Can you please show me a single word in these ayah that means travel?

                    2- Jannah is a physical place where your great great great grand father used to live with his wife. They ate from a forbidden tree and as a result were thrown down on this earth. What a crime and what a punishment.

                    Quran gives an example of Jannah in following ayahs not actual description of Jannah.

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                      Mazhar
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                      Your article is based on 2 suppositions;

                      1-surah najam is about night travel of the prophet from a non-existant masjid ul haram at that time around kaaba to a remotely high masjid.

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                      There is no travel mentioned in these ayahs. Can you please show me a single word in these ayah that means travel?

                      2- Jannah is a physical place where your great great great grand father used to live with his wife. They ate from a forbidden tree and as a result were thrown down on this earth. What a crime and what a punishment.

                      Quran gives an example of Jannah in following ayahs not actual description of Jannah.

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                      http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/017.%20Al%20Israa/17.1PPQ.gif This Sacred Mosque is in existence from the day AlBait was constructed.

                      You do not believe in "the House of Allah", therefore, you will not believe in the Sacred Mosque. So we leave it.

                      They ate from a forbidden tree and as a result were thrown down on this earth. What a crime and what a punishment.

                      Neither was that crime; nor was punishment; nor were thrown down.

                      http//There is no travel mentioned in these ayahs. Can you please show me a single word in these ayah that means travel?

                      If it was not journey beyond the frontiers of this universe then what do you think is stated in Chapter 53 first part. And who is the man mentioned therein?

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                        http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/017.%20Al%20Israa/17.1PPQ.gif This Sacred Mosque is in existence from the day AlBait was constructed.

                        You do not believe in "the House of Allah", therefore, you will not believe in the Sacred Mosque. So we leave it.

                        I do believe in "Baitullah" but my God is above corporeal needs.

                        The first compound around kaaba was built by umayyads as far as I can recall.

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                          http//There is no travel mentioned in these ayahs. Can you please show me a single word in these ayah that means travel?

                          If it was not journey beyond the frontiers of this universe then what do you think is stated in Chapter 53 first part. And who is the man mentioned therein?

                          I said there is no word for travel in these ayah. Then how you bring in the word isra walmeraj in your interpretation.

                          God can show His signs to a human without sending a flying horse with the face of a beautiful women. The vision does not require to physically travel from one non existent masjid to another one in upper heavens. Brother you have to break the shackles of traditions and stories to interpret Quraan. We need a clean slate to get the real message.

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                            Mazhar
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                            I do believe in "Baitullah" but my God is above corporeal needs.

                            The first compound around kaaba was built by umayyads as far as I can recall.

                            Kaaba itself is an entity. All around it is the Masjid. Compound is just a facilitation for the visitors.

                            Who says "My House"? Does a monument meets corporeal needs of anybody? Why to associate it with corporeal needs?

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                              Mazhar
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                              I said there is no word for travel in these ayah. Then how you bring in the word isra walmeraj in your interpretation.

                              God can show His signs to a human without sending a flying horse with the face of a beautiful women. The vision does not require to physically travel from one non existent masjid to another one in upper heavens. Brother you have to break the shackles of traditions and stories to interpret Quraan. We need a clean slate to get the real message.

                              Then enlighten what is conveyed in those Ayahs.

                              I have said this journey was corporeal.

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                                NewFrenzy
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                                Can you translate chapter 2 verse 1?
                                Man has intensely suffered.

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                                  Mazhar
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                                  Can you translate chapter 2 verse 1?
                                  Man has intensely suffered.

                                  Salamun alaika;

                                  I have explained it here

                                  chapter 2 verse 1

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                                    NewFrenzy
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                                    Salamun alaika;

                                    I have explained it here

                                    chapter 2 verse 1

                                    Yes you have explained it but failed to translate.
                                    NVM

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                                      Mazhar
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                                      Yes you have explained it but failed to translate.
                                      NVM

                                      Alphabets of a language are mentioned in another language by spellings that produce the sound of letters in original language. While translation is of words which have meanings. A word in Arabic is combination of a consonant and vowel. Thereby either go by the universally accepted definition of translation or coin a new one as you said I failed to translate.

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                                        Alphabets of a language are mentioned in another language by spellings that produce the sound of letters in original language. While translation is of words which have meanings. A word in Arabic is combination of a consonant and vowel. Thereby either go by the universally accepted definition of translation or coin a new one as you said I failed to translate.

                                        My honest answer would be I do not know what 21 means and why it is there.

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                                          Kaaba itself is an entity. All around it is the Masjid. Compound is just a facilitation for the visitors.

                                          Is that a new definition of the masjidulharam?

                                          Who says "My House"? Does a monument meets corporeal needs of anybody? Why to associate it with corporeal needs?

                                          Brother you said "My House" in your translation in following post of yours.

                                          Be aware of history; When Our Majesty had marked the site of the House for acknowledgment by Iebra'heim .
                                          The purpose of this site-marking was told to him "you should not associate with Me any other space-thing.
                                          And you manage and maintain the cleanliness- sanctity of My House for people who will walk-orbit around it;
                                          And for those who steadfastly stand and are the performers of kneeling coupled with the trait as performers of prostration."

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