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    Mazhar
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    The author of these verses is commanding to the one who received these verses i.e. prophet Muhammad.

    Exactly. And it reveals to us that the Speaker is calling upon the Messenger by an epithet, giving him a descriptive name; and we get about his inherent nature, habit, conduct he possessed at the time of this call.

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      Mazhar
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      Already told you.

      http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/053.%20An%20Najam/53.10.gif

      Say who is abd of Allah in it?

      In it also "His abd" is the Messenger. And this sentence is mentioned in the episode of his journey beyond the ascensions of the universe.

      http//haqeeqat.pk/Mairaaj.htm

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        In it also "His abd" is the Messenger. And this sentence is mentioned in the episode of his journey beyond the ascensions of the universe.

        http//haqeeqat.pk/Mairaaj.htm

        Assumption or traditions/ahadith gives you this picture. Where is this ascension described in Quraan?

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          Exactly. And it reveals to us that the Speaker is calling upon the Messenger by an epithet, giving him a descriptive name; and we get about his inherent nature, habit, conduct he possessed at the time of this call.

          What it has to do with your translation of isolated ayah 171?

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            Mazhar
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            What it has to do with your translation of isolated ayah 171?

            Then who is he in 171?

            And who is abd in it

            http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/053.%20An%20Najam/53.10.gif

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              Mazhar
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              Assumption or traditions/ahadith gives you this picture. Where is this ascension described in Quraan?

              Going by the discipline of reading a book, one does not need assumptions and traditions. One figure of speech is Tasreef; and second is frames on subjects/concepts. In every frame there are key words. You can then link the frames and get the complete idea.

              Qur?n is rendered facilitative for comprehension

              By unique device like coverage of an event by multiple cameras

              http//haqeeqat.pk/FacilitatibeByTasreef.htm

              Where is this ascension described in Quraan?

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              http//haqeeqat.pk/Mairaaj.htm

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                Going by the discipline of reading a book, one does not need assumptions and traditions. One figure of speech is Tasreef; and second is frames on subjects/concepts. In every frame there are key words. You can then link the frames and get the complete idea.

                Qur?n is rendered facilitative for comprehension

                By unique device like coverage of an event by multiple cameras

                http//haqeeqat.pk/FacilitatibeByTasreef.htm

                http//haqeeqat.pk/banners/o3.png

                http//haqeeqat.pk/Mairaaj.htm

                Your article is based on 2 suppositions;

                1-surah najam is about night travel of the prophet from a non-existant masjid ul haram at that time around kaaba to a remotely high masjid.

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                There is no travel mentioned in these ayahs. Can you please show me a single word in these ayah that means travel?

                2- Jannah is a physical place where your great great great grand father used to live with his wife. They ate from a forbidden tree and as a result were thrown down on this earth. What a crime and what a punishment.

                Quran gives an example of Jannah in following ayahs not actual description of Jannah.

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                  Mazhar
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                  Your article is based on 2 suppositions;

                  1-surah najam is about night travel of the prophet from a non-existant masjid ul haram at that time around kaaba to a remotely high masjid.

                  531-18
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                  There is no travel mentioned in these ayahs. Can you please show me a single word in these ayah that means travel?

                  2- Jannah is a physical place where your great great great grand father used to live with his wife. They ate from a forbidden tree and as a result were thrown down on this earth. What a crime and what a punishment.

                  Quran gives an example of Jannah in following ayahs not actual description of Jannah.

                  1335
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                  4715
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                  http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/017.%20Al%20Israa/17.1PPQ.gif This Sacred Mosque is in existence from the day AlBait was constructed.

                  You do not believe in "the House of Allah", therefore, you will not believe in the Sacred Mosque. So we leave it.

                  They ate from a forbidden tree and as a result were thrown down on this earth. What a crime and what a punishment.

                  Neither was that crime; nor was punishment; nor were thrown down.

                  http//There is no travel mentioned in these ayahs. Can you please show me a single word in these ayah that means travel?

                  If it was not journey beyond the frontiers of this universe then what do you think is stated in Chapter 53 first part. And who is the man mentioned therein?

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                    http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/017.%20Al%20Israa/17.1PPQ.gif This Sacred Mosque is in existence from the day AlBait was constructed.

                    You do not believe in "the House of Allah", therefore, you will not believe in the Sacred Mosque. So we leave it.

                    I do believe in "Baitullah" but my God is above corporeal needs.

                    The first compound around kaaba was built by umayyads as far as I can recall.

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                      http//There is no travel mentioned in these ayahs. Can you please show me a single word in these ayah that means travel?

                      If it was not journey beyond the frontiers of this universe then what do you think is stated in Chapter 53 first part. And who is the man mentioned therein?

                      I said there is no word for travel in these ayah. Then how you bring in the word isra walmeraj in your interpretation.

                      God can show His signs to a human without sending a flying horse with the face of a beautiful women. The vision does not require to physically travel from one non existent masjid to another one in upper heavens. Brother you have to break the shackles of traditions and stories to interpret Quraan. We need a clean slate to get the real message.

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                        I do believe in "Baitullah" but my God is above corporeal needs.

                        The first compound around kaaba was built by umayyads as far as I can recall.

                        Kaaba itself is an entity. All around it is the Masjid. Compound is just a facilitation for the visitors.

                        Who says "My House"? Does a monument meets corporeal needs of anybody? Why to associate it with corporeal needs?

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                          I said there is no word for travel in these ayah. Then how you bring in the word isra walmeraj in your interpretation.

                          God can show His signs to a human without sending a flying horse with the face of a beautiful women. The vision does not require to physically travel from one non existent masjid to another one in upper heavens. Brother you have to break the shackles of traditions and stories to interpret Quraan. We need a clean slate to get the real message.

                          Then enlighten what is conveyed in those Ayahs.

                          I have said this journey was corporeal.

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                            Can you translate chapter 2 verse 1?
                            Man has intensely suffered.

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                              Mazhar
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                              Can you translate chapter 2 verse 1?
                              Man has intensely suffered.

                              Salamun alaika;

                              I have explained it here

                              chapter 2 verse 1

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                                Salamun alaika;

                                I have explained it here

                                chapter 2 verse 1

                                Yes you have explained it but failed to translate.
                                NVM

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                                  Mazhar
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                                  Yes you have explained it but failed to translate.
                                  NVM

                                  Alphabets of a language are mentioned in another language by spellings that produce the sound of letters in original language. While translation is of words which have meanings. A word in Arabic is combination of a consonant and vowel. Thereby either go by the universally accepted definition of translation or coin a new one as you said I failed to translate.

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                                    Alphabets of a language are mentioned in another language by spellings that produce the sound of letters in original language. While translation is of words which have meanings. A word in Arabic is combination of a consonant and vowel. Thereby either go by the universally accepted definition of translation or coin a new one as you said I failed to translate.

                                    My honest answer would be I do not know what 21 means and why it is there.

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                                      Kaaba itself is an entity. All around it is the Masjid. Compound is just a facilitation for the visitors.

                                      Is that a new definition of the masjidulharam?

                                      Who says "My House"? Does a monument meets corporeal needs of anybody? Why to associate it with corporeal needs?

                                      Brother you said "My House" in your translation in following post of yours.

                                      Be aware of history; When Our Majesty had marked the site of the House for acknowledgment by Iebra'heim .
                                      The purpose of this site-marking was told to him "you should not associate with Me any other space-thing.
                                      And you manage and maintain the cleanliness- sanctity of My House for people who will walk-orbit around it;
                                      And for those who steadfastly stand and are the performers of kneeling coupled with the trait as performers of prostration."

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                                        Then enlighten what is conveyed in those Ayahs.

                                        I have said this journey was corporeal.

                                        Please reply my question. Which Arabic word in 531-18 has the meaning of travel i.e. Isra wal miraj?

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                                          Mazhar
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                                          Please reply my question. Which Arabic word in 531-18 has the meaning of travel i.e. Isra wal miraj?

                                          The event begins by disclosure in 171

                                          http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/017.%20Al%20Israa/17.1PPP.gif

                                          The desire of approval of the Infinitely Glorious, Allah the Exalted, is the focus of all effort. He the Exalted had arranged the travel carrying His sincere Allegiant (Muhammad is

                                          That it leads to the perception of far distance and deportation to far away, or to an utmost limit.
                                          Lane's Lexicon signified the perception of proceeding to extremities and with reference to drinking water; it conveys meaning of drinking in the manner of exhausting the last drop which reflects extremity in any action. He emphasized its meanings as reaching and attaining the utmost by referring to various words made from it.

                                          The fact of reaching or attaining the utmost has the built in perception of elevation and altitude. Grand Qur?n, for itself is the best Lexicon. It exposes the perception and meanings of most of its words picturesquely by relationships and contrasts. Basic perception and meanings of the Root are unfolded at the very first place of its occurrence


                                          What you get from these declarative sentences of Ayah if you disavow the journey?

                                          But please do indicate who is "His Abd"; you can name anybody.

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