Palavers about Qur'aan.
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http//There is no travel mentioned in these ayahs. Can you please show me a single word in these ayah that means travel?
If it was not journey beyond the frontiers of this universe then what do you think is stated in Chapter 53 first part. And who is the man mentioned therein?
I said there is no word for travel in these ayah. Then how you bring in the word isra walmeraj in your interpretation.
God can show His signs to a human without sending a flying horse with the face of a beautiful women. The vision does not require to physically travel from one non existent masjid to another one in upper heavens. Brother you have to break the shackles of traditions and stories to interpret Quraan. We need a clean slate to get the real message.
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I do believe in "Baitullah" but my God is above corporeal needs.
The first compound around kaaba was built by umayyads as far as I can recall.
Kaaba itself is an entity. All around it is the Masjid. Compound is just a facilitation for the visitors.
Who says "My House"? Does a monument meets corporeal needs of anybody? Why to associate it with corporeal needs?
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I said there is no word for travel in these ayah. Then how you bring in the word isra walmeraj in your interpretation.
God can show His signs to a human without sending a flying horse with the face of a beautiful women. The vision does not require to physically travel from one non existent masjid to another one in upper heavens. Brother you have to break the shackles of traditions and stories to interpret Quraan. We need a clean slate to get the real message.
Then enlighten what is conveyed in those Ayahs.
I have said this journey was corporeal.
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Yes you have explained it but failed to translate.
NVMAlphabets of a language are mentioned in another language by spellings that produce the sound of letters in original language. While translation is of words which have meanings. A word in Arabic is combination of a consonant and vowel. Thereby either go by the universally accepted definition of translation or coin a new one as you said I failed to translate.
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Alphabets of a language are mentioned in another language by spellings that produce the sound of letters in original language. While translation is of words which have meanings. A word in Arabic is combination of a consonant and vowel. Thereby either go by the universally accepted definition of translation or coin a new one as you said I failed to translate.
My honest answer would be I do not know what 21 means and why it is there.
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Kaaba itself is an entity. All around it is the Masjid. Compound is just a facilitation for the visitors.
Is that a new definition of the masjidulharam?
Who says "My House"? Does a monument meets corporeal needs of anybody? Why to associate it with corporeal needs?
Brother you said "My House" in your translation in following post of yours.
Be aware of history; When Our Majesty had marked the site of the House for acknowledgment by Iebra'heim .
The purpose of this site-marking was told to him "you should not associate with Me any other space-thing.
And you manage and maintain the cleanliness- sanctity of My House for people who will walk-orbit around it;
And for those who steadfastly stand and are the performers of kneeling coupled with the trait as performers of prostration." -
Please reply my question. Which Arabic word in 531-18 has the meaning of travel i.e. Isra wal miraj?
The event begins by disclosure in 171
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The desire of approval of the Infinitely Glorious, Allah the Exalted, is the focus of all effort. He the Exalted had arranged the travel carrying His sincere Allegiant (Muhammad is
That it leads to the perception of far distance and deportation to far away, or to an utmost limit.
Lane's Lexicon signified the perception of proceeding to extremities and with reference to drinking water; it conveys meaning of drinking in the manner of exhausting the last drop which reflects extremity in any action. He emphasized its meanings as reaching and attaining the utmost by referring to various words made from it.The fact of reaching or attaining the utmost has the built in perception of elevation and altitude. Grand Qur?n, for itself is the best Lexicon. It exposes the perception and meanings of most of its words picturesquely by relationships and contrasts. Basic perception and meanings of the Root are unfolded at the very first place of its occurrence
What you get from these declarative sentences of Ayah if you disavow the journey?
But please do indicate who is "His Abd"; you can name anybody.
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The event begins by disclosure in 171
You cannot understand a simple question? Let me give you my question once again.
Which Arabic word in 531-18 has the meaning of travel i.e. Isra wal miraj?
You are linking 171 with surah najam but what is your proof from Quraan other than the scholars have told so in their tafseer and traditions?
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You cannot understand a simple question? Let me give you my question once again.
You are linking 171 with surah najam but what is your proof from Quraan other than the scholars have told so in their tafseer and traditions?
The purpose of journey is mentioned in both narratives.
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For journey the core collocates are the words and prepositions signifying place of departure and destination; and also direction. Every prudent man knows it. From where the journey began?
That is called hearsay. Quran is a mubeen book. You are quoting tasreef ul ayat so lets see what Quran says about the prophet ascending into skies
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I will quote your translation of 635 from your web site
Reverting to your sensitivity of grief; if their deliberate refraining is heavy upon you that you can't resist feeling grieved
Thereby, if you self acquired the capability enabling that you might find a two-mouth run-through tunnel within the Earth;
Or a ladder that leads to be within the Sky;
Thereby, come back to them along with some unprecedented demonstrative sign.
And if Allah the Exalted had so resolved, He would have indeed consolidated them upon the Al-Huda the Guide (Qur'aan).
Having known this, you should not henceforth emotionally be disturbed for them.
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That is called hearsay. Quran is a mubeen book. You are quoting tasreef ul ayat so lets see what Quran says about the prophet ascending into skies
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I will quote your translation of 635 from your web site
Reverting to your sensitivity of grief; if their deliberate refraining is heavy upon you that you can't resist feeling grieved
Thereby, if you self acquired the capability enabling that you might find a two-mouth run-through tunnel within the Earth;
Or a ladder that leads to be within the Sky;
Thereby, come back to them along with some unprecedented demonstrative sign.
And if Allah the Exalted had so resolved, He would have indeed consolidated them upon the Al-Huda the Guide (Qur'aan).
Having known this, you should not henceforth emotionally be disturbed for them.
Has it any relevance to a Real-Life Event?
Episodes are mentioned in Frames. You will see an episode explained at other places by repeating key words to give more information about same events.
Now you come up with what you think is mentioned in 171 and Chapter 53. Leave aside what I have said.
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Has it any relevance to a Real-Life Event?
Yes it is telling us a real life event. People were not accepting the message. The prophet was getting restless that why people are not accepting the truth. He was advised by Allah to bring some ayah for them from the sky if he could.
Now you come up with what you think is mentioned in 171 and Chapter 53. Leave aside what I have said.
Did I claim I have a web site or have done translation of Quraan? I am a student trying to understand Quraan and that is why I have been looking into different translations of "Prudent people" like yourself.
I can only give my reasons why a certain translation is not acceptable to me in the light of Quranic evidence. So I have tried to point out issues I have with your translation. Nothing against you but it is my search for the truth.
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Yes it is telling us a real life event. People were not accepting the message. The prophet was getting restless that why people are not accepting the truth. He was advised by Allah to bring some ayah for them from the sky if he could.
Did I claim I have a web site or have done translation of Quraan? I am a student trying to understand Quraan and that is why I have been looking into different translations of "Prudent people" like yourself.
I can only give my reasons why a certain translation is not acceptable to me in the light of Quranic evidence. So I have tried to point out issues I have with your translation. Nothing against you but it is my search for the truth.
It is good to see things critically. However, evidence should be relevant to an issue. Declarative statements are not compared with episodic text.
I have tried to explain that Qur'aan is composed in encyclopedic style. Conceptualization becomes easier by frames,
May be you find it helpful for critical study and evaluation of works
http//haqeeqat.pk/FacilitativeByEncyclopaedicFormat.htm
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It is good to see things critically. However, evidence should be relevant to an issue. Declarative statements are not compared with episodic text.
I have tried to explain that Qur'aan is composed in encyclopedic style. Conceptualization becomes easier by frames,
May be you find it helpful for critical study and evaluation of works
http//haqeeqat.pk/FacilitativeByEncyclopaedicFormat.htm
Sorry brother I dont buy that. This complex terminology and word games have confused people so much that muslim have become a target for hatred and ridicule. Quran is a book of guidance and I do not imagine things or use stories circulating in the market, to get guidance from the Quran. I try my best to stay with the original text. If I cannot comprehend something I admit it that at present I dont understand it. I keep my search on to get the truth.
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It is good to see things critically. However, evidence should be relevant to an issue. Declarative statements are not compared with episodic text.
I have tried to explain that Qur'aan is composed in encyclopedic style. Conceptualization becomes easier by frames,
May be you find it helpful for critical study and evaluation of works
http//haqeeqat.pk/FacilitativeByEncyclopaedicFormat.htm
To me the whole story of isra wal miraj make no sense. So many issues if you look at it critically
Allah is somewhere and prophet had to go there at the speed of light to get revelation whereas he was getting revelation for 23 years as well while staying on this globe.
50 salah per day so one salah about every half an hour.
Hagling with Allah to reduce the salah from 50 to 5.
After reducing it to 5 the prophet felt shy to go back to get further reduction.
The hagling prompted my prophet Moosa who supposedly knew more than the giver and taker of 50 salah gift.
The journey started from the house of his widowed cousin, Umm Hani or
The journey started from kaaba
It happened before hijra or it happened after hijra.
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isra' means travel that is undertaken at night. That is the meaning of Isra'ill, the people of the pact of the travel starting in the darkness towards the light. Isra'il means that. bani isra?'l are those who maintain that pact or the descendants fo those who had that pact although may not continue abiding by it.
All of humanity, ll of existence is meant to travel from darkess to light. That is what eminently did prophet Muhammd and all prophets and believers each one at his own pace and in his stage.
Amongs the germanic people, Swiss, austrin germ, there is a ritual in november wth candels where people go out and sing some thing like it is night I am going home, with my light. It is very moving and to me an indication precisely of God's light having been sent to all peoples. The rituals or appearance may differ, but the thrust and the message is the same.
Salaam