Free-Minds cheated in translating 86:6-7?
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It seems Kashif Khan does not like this website for 866-7 translation
https//www.linkedin.com/pulse/free-minds-cheated-translation-verse-867-cover-lies-invented-khan/
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https//wordpress.com/post/topicsfromquran.wordpress.com/2465
The above post also reviews this topic in a different way.
This link is a bit busted. It says "You don't have any WordPress sites yet."
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Is this the one you are referring to? https//topicsfromquran.wordpress.com/2018/01/08/reproductive-fluids-mentioned-in-865-7/
Sura Tariq (86) Ayas 5-7 are given below
Thus, a human being should see from what he is created! (He is) created from flowing water, which emits from between the loins and the ribs.
Some people have objected to these Ayas, that the understanding does not conform to the current scientific knowledge. However, this objection is because they consider these Ayas as referring solely to male reproduction system.
Before we review these Ayats, please consider meanings of some words and phrases in above Ayas as given below
?Sulb? ( ب is used in the meaning of ?Loins? when referring to one?s progeny. In Ayat 423, the word ?Aslabikum? is used in the sense of ?Loins?,
As per Lane Arabic to English Dictionary (page 1712) , this word is used as ?Loins? when referring to one?s progeny.
?Taraib? mainly refers to the chest and rib bones area for both males and females but mostly for females. See Lane?s dictionary relevant page 301.
So the term ?Bainas Sulbe wat-traib? ( ِ, would mean between the loins and the chest/rib area. This is the area where female ?Uterus? and ?ovaries? are located in females.
We know that both males and females eject reproductive fluids in the reproductive process. The reproductive fluid from male is emitted from ?Sulb? (loins) area of male and in female from ?Bainas Sulbe wat-traib? (between loins and ribs) area. It is when both these fluids come together that a human being is created. Only male or female reproductive fluids alone would not create a human, rather when both these fluids come together and a unique ?droplet? is created. This happens in the female ?Taraib? area. The reference in the said Ayas is therefore, more likely in the context of female uterus which is located between the loins and the ribs.
Notes
With reference to the Male reproductive system, the trigger mechanism or point of origin of orgasm is in the sacral nerve root found along the spine, located between the loins and chest area vertically.
Quote from Wikipedia
?The semen is ejected through the urethra with rhythmic contractions. These rhythmic contractions are part of the male orgasm. They are generated by the bulbospongiosus and pubococcygeus muscles under the control of a spinal reflex at the level of the spinal nerves S2-4 via the pudendal nerve. -
Salam/Peace brother Wakas, thank you for the links, one of the replies from 2005
peace ichephren,
Firstly, nice to see you post again. Now, onto your Q...
It has been discussed previously (the search function at the top of this forum is extremely helpful)
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3062The bold part with the link sadly does not work and the word alttara-ibi (ب does not mean testicles,
Ta-Ra-Ba ( ب = To have much earth, have dust in the hands, dusty, be destitute, poverty, neediness, misery, suffering loss. Poor man intimately acquainted with his mother earth. He sank from the wealth.
Soil/earth/dust.
Cemetery, burial-place, grave.
Contemporary friend, companion, match/fellow/equal, suiting the age and matching in all other aspects, peer, one having similar tastes/habits/views.
Breast, breast bones, chest, ribs.Plus Joseph Islam made an article about this as well http//quransmessage.com/articles/verse%2086-7%20FM3.htm
Lane's Lexicon Volume 1, Page 337
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Lane's Lexicon Volume 1, Page 338
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So what do you think of Kashif's article, Wakas?
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I only skim read it. I have not studied this issue again in detail so cant really comment. The sensationalist wording and emotional rhetoric he uses is quite pathetic.
Bold Oh? How so? Not defending him by the way.
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Forgot to post this root word as well
Sad-Lam-Ba ( ب = to put to death by crucifixion, extract marrow from bones. salb - a well known way of killing, crucifying. salabahuu - he put him to death in a certain well known manner, he crucified. aslaab (pl. of sulbun) - backbones, loins. masluub - crucified. saliibun - put to death in a certain well known manner.
salaba vb. (1)
perf. act. 4157
impf. pass. 1241sulb n.m. (pl. aslab) 423, 867
sallaba vb. (2)
impf. act. 7124, 2071, 2649
impf. pass. 533Lane's Lexicon Volume 4, Page 435
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Lane's Lexicon Volume 4, Page 436
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Lane's Lexicon Volume 4, Page 437
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It's alright everyone, i can wait for answers. )
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While i shall wait for answers, i think i should the entire chapter (It's only 17 verses) in arabic text because i am very hesitant to show the translation.
Hopefully those who are experts in the Quranic Arabic.Here are the verses
861
Waalssama-i waalttariqi862
Wama adraka ma alttariqu863
Alnnajmu alththaqibu864
In kullu nafsin lamma AAalayha hafithun865
Falyanthuri al-insanumimma khuliqa866
Khuliqa min ma-in dafiqin867
Yakhruju min bayni alssulbi waalttara-ibi868
Innahu AAala rajAAihi laqadirun869
Yawma tubla alssara-iru8610
Fama lahu min quwwatin wala nasirin8611
Waalssama-i thati alrrajAAi8612
Waal-ardi thati alssadAAi8613
Innahu laqawlun faslun8614
Wama huwa bialhazli8615
Innahum yakeedoona kaydan8616
Waakeedu kaydan8617
Famahhili alkafireena amhilhum ruwaydanHopefully someone with great knowledge in Arabic would come and give a good answer for everyone. Salam/Peace & Allah/God (SWTAY) bless you.
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https//allahsword.com/pdf/The_Quran_English_Translation_by_Abdel_Haleem.pdf
Problem is verse ( says so let the man reflect upon from what it was created.
So is it referring to initial creation in the evolutionary stage?
Here is Dr Shabbir's understanding from QXP
865
Let the human being, then, consider out of what he has been created.866
He has been created from turbulent water.867
That issued from between tough rocks and mingled dust.
