Muhammad not mentioned in the Koran...
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Greetings idmkhizar,
Thanks for your comments?
Peace Apple Pie,
QuoteThe Holy Bible consists of 66 books.
Khi- Wht abt the six apocalypical books of the Bible which the Catholics regard as belonging 2 the Bible?
I?m not Catholic.
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39 from the OT.
27 from the NT.
The Holy Bible contains both Jewish and Christian scriptures.
The message throughout the Holy Bible is that Jesus is God Almighty.
Khi- This is completely wrong. The OT never makes such a claim at all but even in the NT we NEVER find any statment where Jesus said tht he is GOD or where he says Worship me.
Islam 101 right on cue?and your reply emanates from an individual who confesses to never having studyied the original languages of scriptures?
None of the four gospels in the NT claim tht Jesus was GOD in any sense.
Actually they all do?.just as the Koran also does?
The OT is also the scriptures of the Jews. If tht mentioned Jesus as being Divine y dont the Jews accept him 2 be so?
Probably for the same reason that they deny that he is the Messiah, while Muslims adamantly confirm that He is the Messiah? wink
Jesus' Divinity is a doctrine made up after his death by the Nicene Council.
Then this must have also had an impact on the authors of the Koran as they also granted Jesus full divinity.
Jehova's Witnesses n Unitarians also believe in the complete Bible yet they utterly reject Jesus being GOD. This is nothing but a false, absurd n illogical interpretation made up by trinitarians.
The authors of the Koran understood the concept of the Trinity and that Jesus is God Almighty?
What is your hang-up???
Oh yeah?.you don?t understand Arabic?.that?s right?.
You don?t even understand what ?thumma? means?
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The above description also fits the Koran?.it also contains both Jewish and Christian scriptures?and the message throughout the Koran is that Jesus is God Almighty?
Khi- The Quran unlike the Bible is NOT a COMPILATION of scriptures.
Dead wrong.
The word specifically means a collection of scriptures.
If you bothered to study classic Arabic then you would have already known this.
It is ONE Scripture.
It is a collection of Jewish and Christian scriptures ? both OT & NT along with a healthy helping of heretical scriptures to boot?
In the Bible u refer like Book of z chpter x verse y while in Quran u refer only chpter x verse y.
Sura and ayah segregation are artificial.
N the Message in the Quran is totally the opposite as u claim. Read this verse carefully
Pagans/Rejectors/Unbelievers indeed are those who say that GOD is the Messiah, the son of Mary. Say, "Who could oppose GOD if He willed to annihilate the Messiah, son of Mary, and his mother, and everyone on earth?" To GOD belongs the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, and everything between them. He creates whatever He wills. GOD is Omnipotent.
This verse makes it clear tht according 2 Quran anyone who claims Jesus is GOD is a Kaafir an unbeliever, a rejector, a pagan. It cant get any clearer than tht. GOD Bless!I?ll make the same offer to you as I have all the others.
Show me the Arabic words that are giving you difficulty.
Take care?
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I?m not Catholic.
Khi- I didnt say u were. My statemnet was general. Wht i meant is tht those books were once accepted part of the Bible n then the evangelists removed it. 2morrow maybe some other parts of the Bible will be removed too. It already happened with 1 John 57 too.
Islam 101 right on cue?and your reply emanates from an individual who confesses to never having studyied the original languages of scriptures?
Khi- More gobbledygook. The Jews know the OT better than u do. There r many scholars among them. None of them agree tht theres even the slightest hint of Jesus' divinity in the OT.
Actually they all do?.just as the Koran also does?
Khi- Show us where.
Probably for the same reason that they deny that he is the Messiah, while Muslims adamantly confirm that He is the Messiah? wink
Khi- Well then tht makes the Muslims right. Confirming tht Jesus is the Messiah has nothing 2 do with him being divine.
Then this must have also had an impact on the authors of the Koran as they also granted Jesus full divinity.
Khi- No they didnt as ive shown many times over.
The authors of the Koran understood the concept of the Trinity and that Jesus is God Almighty?
Khi- The Quran surely understood the concept of trinity n utterly denied it as false n blasphemous.
What is your hang-up???
Oh yeah?.you don?t understand Arabic?.that?s right?.
You don?t even understand what ?thumma? means?
Khi- Mere accusations while ive presented so much evidence.
Dead wrong.
The word specifically means a collection of scriptures.
If you bothered to study classic Arabic then you would have already known this.
Khi- The Quran is ONE Book(kitaab) n It also refers Itself as such. Wht u might be referring 2 is 'suhoof' meaning more like 'pages' or parts of a book. The Bible is a compilation of different books.
It is a collection of Jewish and Christian scriptures ? both OT & NT along with a healthy helping of heretical scriptures to boot?
Khi- It is one complete Book(al-kitaab).
Sura and ayah segregation are artificial.
Khi- Maybe those in the Bible. Anyway my pt was 2 show tht the Bible is a compilation of different Books while the Quran is One Book Only. Moreover the sura n ayah segregation in the Quran is Divinely Inspired as has been shown through code-19 mathematical pattern.
I?ll make the same offer to you as I have all the others.
Show me the Arabic words that are giving you difficulty.
Khi- No prob, lemme transliterate
'LAQAD(indeed) KAFARALLAZINA(pagans/unbelievers/rejectors r those) qaalu(saying) INALLAHA(indeed GOD) HUWAL(He is the) MASSIHU(Messiah) IBNU MARIYAM(son of Mary)...' so we clearly see tht those who say Jesus the Messiah son of Mary is GOD r rejecting/blaspheming pagans. GOD Bless! -
Greetings idmkhizar,
Thanks for your reply?
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I?m not Catholic.
Khi- I didnt say u were. My statemnet was general. Wht i meant is tht those books were once accepted part of the Bible n then the evangelists removed it. 2morrow maybe some other parts of the Bible will be removed too. It already happened with 1 John 57 too.
You?re a code guy?perhaps you could break the Theomatics code for us?
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Actually they all do?.just as the Koran also does?
Khi- Show us where.
Pleasure.
Here are some examples from just sura 16...
Jesus is God?
Jesus has the wrath?allah has the wrath
Wrath of God, Koran 16106
Wrath of God, Book of Revelation (616-17, 1118, 1410, 1419, 151, 157, 161, 1619, 1915)Jesus knows the hour?.allah knows the hour
Hour, Koran 1677
Hour, Book of Revelation (33, 310, 915, 1113, 147, 1415, 1712, 1810, 1817, 1819)Jesus hands out the reward in Heaven?.allah hands out the reward in Heaven
Reward, Koran 1696-97
Reward, Book of Revelation (1118, 2212)Jesus is the Resurrection?allah does the resurrecting
Resurrection, Koran 1621, 1625, 1627, 1677, 1692, 16124
Resurrection, Book of Revelation (15,118, 28, 31, 1118, 1413, 205-6, 2012-13)Jesus abhors idols?.allah abhors idols
Idols, Koran 1636
Idols, Book of Revelation (214, 920, 220)Jesus is patient?.allah is patient
Patience, Koran 1696, 16126-127
Patience, Book of Revelation (19, 22-3, 219, 226, 310, 1310, 1412)Repent to Jesus?repent to allah
Repent, Koran 16119
Repent, Book of Revelation (25, 216, 221-22, 33, 319, 920-21, 169, 1611)Jesus knows your deeds?.allah knows your deeds
Deeds, Koran 1663, 1690, 1697
Deeds, Book of Revelation (25-6, 29, 213, 219, 222-23, 226, 31-2, 38, 920, 1413, 1611, 185-6, 2012-13, 2212)Glory be to Jesus?glory be to allah
Glory, Koran 1660
Glory, Book of Revelation (16, 49, 411, 512-13, 712, 1113, 147, 154, 158, 169, 191, 197, 2111, 2123-24, 2126)Jesus is the Almighty?.allah is the almighty
Almighty, Koran?161, 163, 1660
Almighty, Book of Revelation (18, 48, 1117, 153, 167, 1614, 196, 1915, 2122)Jesus will be coming quickly?allah will be coming quickly
Quickly, Koran 1677
Quickly, Book of Revelation (11, 25, 216, 311, 1114, 226-7, 2212, 2220)The Book of Revelation is Truth descended from Jesus? from allah
Book of Truth, Koran 1689
Book of Truth, Book of Revelation (11-5, 111, 119, 21, 28, 212, 218, 31, 37, 314, 199, 1911, 215, 226-7)Quote
Dead wrong.
The word specifically means a collection of scriptures.
If you bothered to study classic Arabic then you would have already known this.
Khi- The Quran is ONE Book(kitaab) n It also refers Itself as such. Wht u might be referring 2 is 'suhoof' meaning more like 'pages' or parts of a book. The Bible is a compilation of different books.
Khi- It is one complete Book(al-kitaab).Wrong again.
Let?s review the definition for ?the Book??.
= ?alkitabu?
?alkitabu? definition
Lane references sura 22 in his definition
Thalika alkitabu la rayba feehi hudan lilmuttaqeena
That The Book no doubt/suspicion in it, (it is) guidance to the fearing and obeying. (22)
?That is the book, or scripture?; as though combining in itself the excellences of all other books or scriptures; or meaning that is preeminently the book, or scripture. The Pentateuch or Mosaic Law; and the Gospel, or Book of the Gospels; the Scriptures of the Jews and Christians. Divine prescript, appointment, or ordinance; judgment, or sentence; fatal decree or predestination.
References
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, p. 74; volume seven, p. 2590Thus?.it is painfully clear that the Koran is no more than a collection of mainly Biblical material that has been translated from Biblical Hebrew & Greek into Arabic?
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Sura and ayah segregation are artificial.
Khi- Maybe those in the Bible. Anyway my pt was 2 show tht the Bible is a compilation of different Books while the Quran is One Book Only.
Where have you been??
The Holy Bible is a compilation of Jewish and Christian scriptures just as the Koran is a compilation of Jewish and Christian scriptures.
You need to wake up to reality one of these days?.
Moreover the sura n ayah segregation in the Quran is Divinely Inspired as has been shown through code-19 mathematical pattern.
First it was frank, frank, frank?..now its code 19, code 19, code 19?
I already showed you (and you affirmed) that the holy grail of code 19?.which is 19.19 speaks about the divinity of Jesus Christ.
Sorry to inform you that the human hands that penned the Koran were not divinely inspired. They were just translating Biblical Hebrew and Greek into Arabic?
Khi- No prob, lemme transliterate
'LAQAD(indeed) KAFARALLAZINA(pagans/unbelievers/rejectors r those) qaalu(saying) INALLAHA(indeed GOD) HUWAL(He is the) MASSIHU(Messiah) IBNU MARIYAM(son of Mary)...' so we clearly see tht those who say Jesus the Messiah son of Mary is GOD r rejecting/blaspheming pagans. GOD Bless!Latin transliteration is not showing us the Arabic words.
Show us the Arabic words that you are transliterating?and the classic meaning behind them?.
Unless?of course?you are not a serious believer?.
Take care?
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Greetings from earth Applepie,
What you have shown in the examples in the quote below is how the word "Jesus" was substituted for God in christian scriptures. That's all.
Jesus has the wrath?allah has the wrath
Wrath of God, Koran 16106
Wrath of God, Book of Revelation (616-17, 1118, 1410, 1419, 151, 157, 161, 1619, 1915)Jesus knows the hour?.allah knows the hour
Hour, Koran 1677
Hour, Book of Revelation (33, 310, 915, 1113, 147, 1415, 1712, 1810, 1817, 1819)Jesus hands out the reward in Heaven?.allah hands out the reward in Heaven
Reward, Koran 1696-97
Reward, Book of Revelation (1118, 2212)Jesus is the Resurrection?allah does the resurrecting
Resurrection, Koran 1621, 1625, 1627, 1677, 1692, 16124
Resurrection, Book of Revelation (15,118, 28, 31, 1118, 1413, 205-6, 2012-13)Jesus abhors idols?.allah abhors idols
Idols, Koran 1636
Idols, Book of Revelation (214, 920, 220)Jesus is patient?.allah is patient
Patience, Koran 1696, 16126-127
Patience, Book of Revelation (19, 22-3, 219, 226, 310, 1310, 1412)Repent to Jesus?repent to allah
Repent, Koran 16119
Repent, Book of Revelation (25, 216, 221-22, 33, 319, 920-21, 169, 1611)Jesus knows your deeds?.allah knows your deeds
Deeds, Koran 1663, 1690, 1697
Deeds, Book of Revelation (25-6, 29, 213, 219, 222-23, 226, 31-2, 38, 920, 1413, 1611, 185-6, 2012-13, 2212)Glory be to Jesus?glory be to allah
Glory, Koran 1660
Glory, Book of Revelation (16, 49, 411, 512-13, 712, 1113, 147, 154, 158, 169, 191, 197, 2111, 2123-24, 2126)Jesus is the Almighty?.allah is the almighty
Almighty, Koran?161, 163, 1660
Almighty, Book of Revelation (18, 48, 1117, 153, 167, 1614, 196, 1915, 2122)Jesus will be coming quickly?allah will be coming quickly
Quickly, Koran 1677
Quickly, Book of Revelation (11, 25, 216, 311, 1114, 226-7, 2212, 2220)The Book of Revelation is Truth descended from Jesus? from allah
Book of Truth, Koran 1689
Book of Truth, Book of Revelation (11-5, 111, 119, 21, 28, 212, 218, 31, 37, 314, 199, 1911, 215, 226-7) -
Greetings truth,
Thanks for your reply?
What you have shown in the examples in the quote below is how the word "Jesus" was substituted for God in christian scriptures. That's all.
Now?this is interesting?
You have just acknowledged that Jesus is the equivalent of God, as His name has been used interchangeably with God.
Now?you are beginning to understand the concept of the Holy Trinity.
Most excellent?.!
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Salaam ApplePie,
Albiet it is obvious you do not even have knowledge of the Bible and confuse Biblical concepts with man made concepts. You are trying to apply these concepts, which you will not find in the Bible at all, to the quran. Your whole argument is thus baseless because the quran is not from the Bible you are purporting. You know nothing of the Bible and I doubt you are even a Christian. I'm sick of your antics, attributing lies to the Bible, and then the quran. Then as Oben has pointed out you erroneously substitute Jesus for God.
Joe
P.S. Jesus does NOT know the hour as it is clearly said in the Bible. Otherwise you explain the inherent contradiction ApplePie.
Concerning that day and hour NOBODY knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor THE SON, but ONLY THE FATHER.
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Salaam ApplePie,
You poor, poor person. Revelation was not descended from Jesus. Clearly it is from God.
A revelation by Jesus Christ, which GOD GAVE HIM, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented in signs through him to his slave John,
Joe
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Greetings Joe,
Thanks for your comments?
Albiet it is obvious you do not even have knowledge of the Bible and confuse Biblical concepts with man made concepts.
Now?where would this be Joe??
You are trying to apply these concepts, which you will not find in the Bible at all, to the quran.
I have shown you otherwise, Joe?
Please feel completely free to verify for yourself as truth?
Your whole argument is thus baseless because the quran is not from the Bible you are purporting.
The authors who penned the Koran state otherwise?
You know nothing of the Bible and I doubt you are even a Christian.
You would be wrong on both counts?
I'm sick of your antics, attributing lies to the Bible, and then the quran.
I speak only verifiable truth?
Perhaps this is what has made you so angry? wink
Then as Oben has pointed out you erroneously substitute Jesus for God.
I substituted nothing.
This is what the scriptures state.
The only substitution has occurred in the Koran?.where the authors who penned it have attempted to wrap the (prior pagan Arab god ?allah?) with deity previously ascribed unto Jesus?!
P.S. Jesus does NOT know the hour as it is clearly said in the Bible. Otherwise you explain the inherent contradiction ApplePie.
Concerning that day and hour NOBODY knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor THE SON, but ONLY THE FATHER.
Observe the 12 examples that I gave you.
They are all from the Book of Revelation.
The vantage point in this Book is described emanating from Heaven.
Thus, it is abundantly clear that Jesus is indeed God Almighty who reigns in Heaven?and He indeed knows the hour?
Take care?
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Greetings Joe,
Thanks for your comments?
You poor, poor person. Revelation was not descended from Jesus. Clearly it is from God.
A revelation by Jesus Christ, which GOD GAVE HIM, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented in signs through him to his slave John,
And?.we already know that Jesus is God?as His divinity is interchangeable through-out the whole book?
Take care?
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Salaam Apple,
And?.we already know that Jesus is God?as His divinity is interchangeable through-out the whole book?
LOL, divinity is never applied to Jesus throughout the scripture . We already know God is a term used to refer to any person holding authority or representing God or any idol . This is prevalent throughout the scripture .
Now?where would this be Joe??
Read the statement you quoted and you would not have asked such an assinine question. Go ahead read it again and maybe you'll pick up on it.
The authors who penned the Koran state otherwise?
No they do not. You add meanings to words that should not be there. That is why you come up with these wild ideas.
You would be wrong on both counts?
I beg to differ. ) It's clear you have renounced Jesus by crying lies to him.
I speak only verifiable truth?
Perhaps this is what has made you so angry?
The blind can verify what is false simply because they will try ignore all evidence to the contrary which you have clearly done. shock
Where the righteous progress in understanding you fumble and fall into the pile of lies about you .
This is what the scriptures state.
No, it is really what you state in contrast to the Bible.
Observe the 12 examples that I gave you.
I will refrain from explaining your examples to you until you can explain me the contradiction between your citations and mine in Mt 2436.
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Greetings truth,
Thanks for your reply?
What you have shown in the examples in the quote below is how the word "Jesus" was substituted for God in christian scriptures. That's all.
Now?this is interesting?
You have just acknowledged that Jesus is the equivalent of God, as His name has been used interchangeably with God.
Now?you are beginning to understand the concept of the Holy Trinity.
Most excellent?.!
PEACE.
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Salaam,
And?.we already know that Jesus is God?as His divinity is interchangeable through-out the whole book?
I forgot to mention that you still ignore the scripture. How can you honestly say that the God spoken of here is Jesus when Jesus is the one recieving in order to give unto others? lol You're like a boxer, you like to side step.
Joe
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Salaam,
You're like a boxer, you like to side step.
lol lol I like to call it The christian shuffle.
He absolutely refuses to answer just one simple question I asked. When in doubt, ignore the question. Insecurity will do that to a person.
Damon.
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Salaam,
You're like a boxer, you like to side step.
lol lol I like to call it The christian shuffle.
He absolutely refuses to answer just one simple question I asked. When in doubt, ignore the question. Insecurity will do that to a person.
Damon.
Peace,
Worse yet, Apple Pie does not even try to acknowledge that the topic of this thread, which is the accusation that 'Muhammad' is not found the Qur'an, has been refuted decisively by other earlier posts. It's like this
Apple Pie Muhammad is not in the Qur'an
Various FM members Yes he is,
Apple Pie Lalalalala I can't hear you... Muhammad is not in the Qur'an
I wonder if sidestepping and/or bringing up issues that has been refuted breaches any forum rules?
ps Bro Damon, sorry for my careless comment. I have erased it now.
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Peace Apple Pie,
Jesus knows the hour?.allah knows the hour
Hour, Koran 1677
Hour, Book of Revelation (33, 310, 915, 1113, 147, 1415, 1712, 1810, 1817, 1819)Khi- This is absolutely wrong. Jesus does NOT know the hour according 2 the Bible
Matthew 2436 (New International Version)
?No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but ONLY the FATHER.Some manuscripts do not contain the phrase 'nor the son' but this only shows further inconsistency n we see how sometimes the argument is over crucial phrases missing. However even without tht Jesus clearly said tht ONLY HIS FATHER knew it. Since the father is a separate person even acording 2 Trinitarians it wld make no sense 4 Jesus 2 say tht ONLY HIS FAHER knew it if he himself knew it also. Then he wld have said 'only GOD knew it'. So it is clear tht Jesus did not know the hour. Btw u r referring from the Book od revelation which is considered doubtful by many Christian theologians anyway. U shld have quoted from the four gospels. GOD Bless!
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Peace yall
The christian word and subject tango is really fun to watch. But now it has gone for long enough
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Peace all,
Very often when two sides are debating with eachother... it's just a big demonstration of the "home-team syndrome"... the "us-and-them perspective".
Without sincere seeking for knowledge and bravery of risking beeing wrong... debates turn into totally useless, "parallel monologues", such as this thread.
If your mind is made up - it's made up... and nothing will change it. No reason, exposure to truth or proof will work.
Further, proofs and evidence can be anything the debater likes. Usually the two debaters throw opposing proofs at eachother... just creating more mess.Once upon a time, I was told by a nice s.c. convert muslim that I should check Islam out, and I'll find it's the real thing. I though to my self - "yeah, yeah, how can islam be right.. christianity is much older, and therefor must be more correct, simply since it came first" . . . that was how I was thinking.. not very intelligent. Actually, I didn't really believe that christiany was better or more true... I was just becoming defensive and I chose to mentally side with what was most familiar to me at that time. I wasn't thinking much at all.
Later though, I developed a completely new perspective... pretty much "identical" to main the ideas you find here on free-minds. I find it silly to see how people defend things out of ignorance... but I know how... even I did once to some degree.
If I realise that a debate is going nowhere... I prefer to leave it as soon as possible.... although I admit I sometimes do like to keep on throwing arguments back at the opponent since I "know" I'm true. I have a big problem with people following things that are obviously logically false.
A hint to ApplePie Your attempts to falsify quranic islam will reach NOWHERE here on this forum. It's just no use.
A question to ApplePie Which is most important... to be a christian or to follow the truth?? If christiany is true.. then congratulations to you.... but if it is NOT, then wouldn't you like to find the truth?? Is it more important to keep up with cultural traditions than to boldly seek the truth, (without preconceived opinions and a pre-established truth)???
Isn't truth most important WHATEVER it turns out to be???!???
When looking for the truth we MUST NOT already have a picture of it in our mind. We will always see what we want to see. We kind of create our own truths, deceiving our selves.
Peace to ApplePie, Damon and all
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Greetings Joe,
Thanks for your kind words?
Apple Pie wrote
And?.we already know that Jesus is God?as His divinity is interchangeable through-out the whole book?LOL, divinity is never applied to Jesus throughout the scripture . We already know God is a term used to refer to any person holding authority or representing God or any idol . This is prevalent throughout the scripture .
Pleasure?
2Pe 11 Simon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those equally precious with us, having obtained faith in the righteousness of our God and our Savior, Jesus Christ
2Pe 12 Grace to you, and peace be multiplied by a full knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord.
2Pe 13 As His divine power has given to us all things pertaining to life and godliness through the full knowledge of the One calling us through glory and virtue,
2Pe 14 by which means He has given to us the very great and precious promises, so that through these you might be partakers of the divine nature, escaping from the corruption in the world by lust.
2Pe 15 But also in this very thing, having brought in all diligence, having fully supplied in your faith virtue, and with virtue knowledge,
2Pe 16 and with the knowledge self-control, and with the self-control patience, and with the patience godliness,
2Pe 17 and with the godliness brotherly love, and with brotherly love, love.Apple Pie wrote
Observe the 12 examples that I gave you.I will refrain from explaining your examples to you until you can explain me the contradiction between your citations and mine in Mt 2436.
Pleasure?
Observe the vantage point of the son (Jesus)?
Mat 2429 And immediately after the affliction of those days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give her light, and the stars will fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Mat 2430 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the heavens. And then all the tribes of the land will wail. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and much glory. Dan. 713
Mat 2431 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from the ends of the heavens to their ends.
Mat 2432 But learn the parable of the fig tree When its branch becomes tender and it puts out leaves, you know that the summer is near;
Mat 2433 so also you, when you see all these things, know that it is near at the doors.
Mat 2434 Truly I say to you, In no way will this generation pass away until all these things have occurred.
Mat 2435 The heaven and the earth will pass away, but My Words will not pass away, never!
Mat 2436 But as to that day and that hour, no one knows, neither the angels of Heaven, except My Father only.
Mat 2437 But as the days of Noah, so also will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Mat 2438 For as they were in the days before the flood eating, and drinking, marrying, and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah went into the ark.
Mat 2439 And they did not know until the flood came and took all away. So also will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Mat 2440 At that time two will be out in the field; the one is taken away, and the one is left;
Mat 2441 two grinding at the mill; one is taken away, and one is left.
Mat 2442 Watch, then, for you do not know in what hour your Lord comes.
Mat 2443 But know this, that if the housemaster had known in what watch the thief comes, he would have watched and not have allowed his house to be dug through.
Mat 2444 Because of this, you also be ready, for in that hour you think not, the Son of Man comes.
Mat 2445 Who then is the faithful and wise servant whom his Lord has set over His household, to give to them the food in season?
Mat 2446 Blessed is that servant whom his Lord shall find so doing when He comes.
Mat 2447 Truly I say to you, He will set him over all His substance.
Mat 2448 But if that wicked slave says in his heart, My Lord delays to come,
Mat 2449 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and to drink with the ones drinking,
Mat 2450 the Lord of that slave will come in a day in which he does not expect and in an hour which he does not know,
Mat 2451 and will cut him in two, and will appoint his portion with the hypocrites. There will be weeping and gnashing of the teeth.First of all, observe that we are quite clearly told that Jesus is indeed God by the manner in which He returns?
Jesus will be coming with the clouds?.allah will be coming with the clouds
Coming with the Clouds, Koran 2210
Coming with the Clouds, Book of Revelation (17, 101, 1112, 1414-16); Dan 7.13; Mat 24.30Obviously?.if allah is coming with the clouds; and Jesus is coming with the Clouds, then that would make Jesus the equal of God would it not??
Allah would not align his ?deity? with anything other than the real thing?.right?
Secondly, the vantage point of the son is as God in the Flesh.
Observe the vantage point described in Revelation, as it is now from the point of view of Heaven?
Rev 33 Then remember how you received and heard, and keep, and repent. If, then, you do not watch, I will come upon you like a thief and you will not at all know what hour I come upon you.
It is clear that these Biblical verses are describing the Triune nature of the One God
Jesus is God
Father is God
Spirit is God.Hope this helps?.Joe
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Greetings Andya Primanda,
Thanks for your comments?
Worse yet, Apple Pie does not even try to acknowledge that the topic of this thread, which is the accusation that 'Muhammad' is not found the Qur'an, has been refuted decisively by other earlier posts.
I appreciate you attempting to keep this thread on track.
As you can see?this is a most difficult task when dealing with Muslims, as they have great difficulty in staying focused on one topic.
Hence?I have allowed for considerable leeway in this post?as even the moderators can?t seem to keep on track?