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Pork is HALAL

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    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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    So your Allah forgot to make haram pork for the Jews? There, nothing mentioned about pork was made haram for the Jews, in verse 6146.

    Did Allah forget to mention about "Pork"?

    WE MADE HARAM FOR THE JEWS every animal with an undivided hoof, and in respect of cattle and sheep, We made their fat haram for them, except what is attached to their backs or guts or mixed up with bone. That is how We repaid them for their insolence. And WE CERTAINLY SPEAK THE TRUTH (not the Torah/Bible). (6146)

    And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you. Leviticus 117-8 ESV
    And the pig, because it parts the hoof but does not chew the cud, is unclean for you. Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. Deuteronomy 148 ESV

    ...

    The FOOD (flesh of swine) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... ... (55)

    The FOOD (PORK) OF THOSE JEWS is also halal for you ... ... (55)

    So which one "SPEAK THE TRUTH (6146)" about pork in the Torah/Bible?

    Quran or Torah/Bible?

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      Sultan_Brandon
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      Only irrelevant to the blind.

      is your God too. And He doesn't forget.

      6146 is additional restrictions for the Jews besides what's already forbidden

      Already addressed. 55 does not mention swine like you misquote. Other ayat clearly forbid

      You're committing serious sins by knowingly altering the Qur'an and trying to change what's forbidden.

      I'm only a warner.

      In the name of God, the All-Mighty, the Merciful

      1042 And there are some of them who listen to you; but can you make the deaf hear, if they do not comprehend?

      1682 So if they turn away, then you are only required to deliver clearly.

      2269 He grants wisdom to whom He chooses, and whoever is granted wisdom has been given much good. Only those who possess intelligence will remember.

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        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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        6146 is additional restrictions for the Jews besides what's already forbidden

        Where in the Quran pork was made haram for the Jews?

        What verse? show me...

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          Sultan_Brandon
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          Where in the pork was made haram for the Jews?

          What verse? show me...

          The Qur'an applies to everyone even if some refuse to follow it.

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            Mahdi_Ibrahim
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            Do you understand my question?

            The FOOD OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... ... (55)

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              Mahdi_Ibrahim
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              https//scontent.fkul7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/31218584_2090517307831516_4558380402319206920_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul7-1.fna&oh=6f41b12b91c8d227bf4707416b1b42e5&oe=5CBC7556

              with four root words.. root khā nūn zāy rā (خ ن ز ر)

              and missing of ي

              the point is, something that needs to read carefully ...

              ... anyone who rejects iman (halal foods and flesh of swine), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (55)

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              "ACTED LIKE" ... 560

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              Therefore, where in the Quran pork was made haram for the Jews?

              What verse?

              show me...

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                Sultan_Brandon
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                Do you understand my question?

                The FOOD OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... ... (55)

                Yes, its any of their food that isn't forbidden by ayat like 53.

                What is the Arabic word for pig according to you?

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                  Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                  So where is the verse?

                  Allah made haram pork for the Jews<<

                  Why it is so hard for you to show me the verse?

                  So your Allah forgot to make haram pork for the Jews? There, nothing mentioned about pork was made haram for the Jews, in verse 6146.

                  The FOOD OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK ("nothing mentioned about pork&quot is halal for you ... ... (55)

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                    Sultan_Brandon
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                    The Arabic word for pig is
                    The Qur'an uses this word and says that its forbidden (53, 2173, etc).
                    Even if by itself means "seen".

                    The Qur'an is the truth so it applies to everyone, including the prohibition of pork, regardless of the religion they choose, including Jews.

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                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                      So you cannot prove Allah made haram pork for the Jews?

                      (and your Allah forgot to make haram pork for the Jews)

                      There is no such verse from the Quran... right?

                      The FOOD OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK ("nothing mentioned about pork&quot is halal for you ... ... (55)

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                        Sultan_Brandon
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                        p o r k i s f o r b i d d e n f o r e v e r y o n e

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                          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                          Okay, that is DOGMA (BRAINWASHED) / Guesswork.

                          Guess is NOT IMAN.

                          Surely guess does not substitute for the truth/iman at all. (5328 / 1036)

                          They follow nothing but assumptions and do nothing but lie. (6116)

                          The Arabs say, "We have iman." Say "You do not have iman." (4914)

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                            Sultan_Brandon
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                            Okay, that is DOGMA (BRAINWASHED) / Guesswork.

                            Guess is NOT IMAN.

                            Surely guess does not substitute for the truth/iman at all. (5328 / 1036)

                            They follow nothing but assumptions and do nothing but lie. (6116)

                            The Arabs say, "We have iman." Say "You do not have iman." (4914)

                            Actually its simple logic. If something is defined as a sin in the Qur'an like idolatry, lying about what it teaches like what you're doing, or eating pork, then nobody is exempt from that just because they don't believe it or call themselves a Jew. Every single human and jinn will be judged according to Qur'anic rules because that's the true religion and the book God sent. Get it?

                            And I never used to believe in the Dajjal but you act just like him.

                            You don't even quote the Qur'an correctly.

                            In the name of God, the All-Mighty, the Merciful

                            639 And those who deny Our revelations, they are deaf and dumb, in darkness. Whoever God wishes He misguides, and whoever He wishes He puts him on a straight path.

                            2269 He grants wisdom to whom He chooses, and whoever is granted wisdom has been given much good. Only those who possess intelligence will remember.

                            6116 And if you obey most of those on the earth they will lead you away from the path of God; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.

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                              Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                              What a troll.

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                                good_logic
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                                Peace Mahdi.
                                Why do you want a verse from Qoran to mention the meat of pigs if it is talking about the food of the people of the book?
                                Food for the people of the book means "NO MEAT OF THE PIG".

                                Leviticus 117-8 7And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

                                Deuteronomy 148 8The pig is also unclean; although it has a divided hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses.

                                Isaiah 652-4 2All day long I have held out my hands to an obstinate people, who walk in ways not good, pursuing their own imaginations- 3a people who continually provoke me to my very face, offering sacrifices in gardens and burning incense on altars of brick; 4who sit among the graves and spend their nights keeping secret vigil; who eat the flesh of pigs, and whose pots hold broth of impure meat;

                                Or do I misunderstand what you are asking?
                                GOD bless you.
                                Peace.

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                                  Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                  Allah does not mention about pork was made haram for the Jews

                                  WE MADE HARAM FOR THE JEWS every animal with an undivided hoof, and in respect of cattle and sheep, We made their fat haram for them, except what is attached to their backs or guts or mixed up with bone. That is how We repaid them for their insolence ... (6146)
                                  and said

                                  And WE CERTAINLY SPEAK THE TRUTH (not the Torah/Bible). (6146)

                                  Therefore, pork is halal for the Jews

                                  Inconsistently, the Jews said pork is haram for them

                                  And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you. Leviticus 117-8 ESV

                                  And the pig, because it parts the hoof but does not chew the cud, is unclean for you. Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. Deuteronomy 148 ESV

                                  of course

                                  And WE CERTAINLY SPEAK THE TRUTH (not the Torah/Bible, ie. pork is haram). (6146)

                                  AND Allah said

                                  The FOOD OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK ("nothing mentioned about pork&quot is halal for you ... ... (55)

                                  Pork is halal, since nothing mentioned about pork was made haram for the Jews.

                                  and there are discrepancies in the following translation

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                                  additionally...

                                  Dead animal is haram, make sense.
                                  Blood is haram, make sense.
                                  Maggoty stinking meat is haram, make sense.

                                  This is haram?

                                  https//renfroesmarket.com/media/catalog/product/f/o/four-boneless-pork-steak-112-p.jpg

                                  Doesn't make sense.

                                  It is inconsistent with dead animal and blood.

                                  Why don't they research the (interpretation and translation of the) Quran? Don't they realize that if it(s interpretation and translation) was from someone other than Allah/TRUTH (falsehood), they would find many discrepancies in it. (482)

                                  Accordingly, where in the Quran pork was made haram for the Jews?

                                  What verse?

                                  Show me...

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                                    good_logic
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                                    Peace Mahdi.
                                    That verse is talking about ADDITIONAL ITEMS TO WHAT WAS ALREADY STATED IN THE LAW.-Because of their insolense.

                                    The meat of pork was already forbidden before then.

                                    You could also state-Kullu Al Taham Kana Hillen LiBani Israeel ...Illa Ma Harrama Israeel Ala Nafseehi....- All food was lawful to Beni Israeel except what Israeel forbade themselves- and say why no pork is mentioned here.
                                    Look at the context of the verses brother.
                                    GOD bless you.
                                    Peace.

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                                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                      Accordingly, that's what I'm saying

                                      Allah forget to mention about "Pork"

                                      was made haram for the Jews.

                                      "according to the Conventional Muslim"

                                      and inconsistently made the following order

                                      The FOOD (pork) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... anyone who rejects iman (in halal foods, ie. pork), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (55)

                                      Why don't they research the (interpretation and translation of the) Quran? Don't they realize that if it(s interpretation and translation) was from someone other than Allah/TRUTH (falsehood), they would find many discrepancies in it. (482)

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                                        huruf
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                                        Making the Qur'an say pork is or is not halal does not make pork any better for human consumption. That is the point and what the Qur'an says. You do not die if you eat it, but it is not a good diet, and particularly, where pork enters and people are poor it becomes overwhelming in the diet.

                                        Some people may like the taste but it is still not a good animal for human consumption.

                                        Salaam

                                        Salaam

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                                          kaltun
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                                          Slm Mahdi Ibrahim,

                                          your post is so shocking... &

                                          what is the name of a pig , pork and swine in old-arabic ( quran-arabic) than ?

                                          cause my whole life i was searching for the reason why pigs were not aloud... i could imagine the warm-weather what make/made this meat weak so its harms the body so thats why not aloud..... or an pig dont chew his cud , this means whole cud is not digest and stored as fat in the stomach ... ect ect ...

                                          people who sporting on high level dont eat pork ==> pork meat is unhealthy
                                          even in petfood like dog and cats there is no pork meat .... ??

                                          but what you summed up from the Quran makes also sense

                                          i am so confused ....

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