Pork is HALAL
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Please study LOGIC.
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and verse 6145 (pork was prohibited???) must be consistent with verse 6146 (pork was allowed)
The FOOD (flesh of swine) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... anyone who rejects iman (halal foods and flesh of swine), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (55)
Do you then believe in a part of the Book and disbelieve in the other? (285)
so
Does that change the fact that Allah does not forbid pork for the Jews?
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As for those who deny Our Signs and are arrogant regarding them, the Gates of Heaven will not be opened for them, and they will not enter the Garden until a camel goes through a needle´s eye. That is how We repay the evildoers. (740)
On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full? Hell will answer, Are there any more? (5030)
wishful thinking is one thing, reality is ANOTHER.
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These people of ours have taken LordLaws apart from Him/Sunnatullah/Law of Nature/EcoLogic. Why do they not produce a clear argument concerning them? (Accordingly) Who could do greater wrong than someone who invents a lie against Allah/Sunnatullah/Law of Nature/EcoLogic? (1815)
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Dear walqalami...
That's why I told in my earlier threads that non of laham words take the meaning other than meat... He is intentionally misguiding people... And claim he has won we are defeated.. I wonder such claimers have any proof to say so.. That's pathetic approach...
Anyhow I will keep expose his fallacy and twisting taking into consideration the innocent believers who may bend without pondering sometimes or with limited knowledge .....Any one answer me why God called laham khinzeer (rijsz) and still ordered to eat under compulsion?... Undeniable it is the meat of swine...
Note carefully... In 10 places the word rijsz is occurring in entire quran.. If you read with meticulous effort you will find that rijsz is not any kind of uncleanliness coz of rotten meat. But this rijsz entirely different .this is not a word to be used when a meat is spoiled or any other edible thing is decayed but it is totally different... It's totally abomination / defilement / kind of evil which is inside hearts and naturally as such, etc... Cannot be called for example when a cat is dead and getting decayed.. O! No. Don't touch it.. It is rijsz.. No way... That's insane...
God called it rijsz... Coz God knew what is pork .its undeniably filthy meat that we don't perceive even it looks attractive and tasty ... But reality is different.. No need to explain what is pork it's nature... . Same as the filthy hearts never goes right ..
Isn't this a proof my dear members?
But for those who play around here to divert people nothing will be proof coz they are blind and misguided and who will guide them...
Pls check all rijsz verses dear believers I am sure it will help you if you use your wits. ..Pork is prohibited I claim with proof and without hesitation tell everyone it's prohibited.... I am well aware verse 587...
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That's why I told in my earlier threads that non of laham words take the meaning other than meat... He is intentionally misguiding people...
all maggoty and stinking meat, fruits etc are covered by 2173, 53, 6145, 16115... it is haram. These verses refer to "flesh" (of meat and fruits etc) and NOT MEAT ALONE. ELSE you will make halal all maggoty and stinking foods other than pork since there are no verses to prohibit maggoty and stinking meat (cow, goat, chicken, rabbit, camel, horse etc) and fruits etc; refer to verse 5101. Business people could use these rotten meats and sell it to customer for profit.
Why don't they research the (interpretation and translation of the) Quran? Don't they realize that if it(s interpretation and translation) was from someone other than Allah/TRUTH (falsehood), they would find many discrepancies in it. (482)
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(21736) walaḥma and flesh إِنَّمَا حَرَّمَ عَلَيْكُمُ الْمَيْتَةَ وَالدَّمَ وَلَحْمَ الْخِنْزِيرِ وَمَا أُهِلَّ بِهِ لِغَيْرِ اللَّهِ
(225956) laḥman (with) flesh وَانْظُرْ إِلَى الْعِظَامِ كَيْفَ نُنْشِزُهَا ثُمَّ نَكْسُوهَا لَحْمًا
(535) walaḥmu and flesh حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمُ الْمَيْتَةُ وَالدَّمُ وَلَحْمُ الْخِنْزِيرِ وَمَا أُهِلَّ لِغَيْرِ اللَّهِ بِهِ
(614520) laḥma (the) flesh إِلَّا أَنْ يَكُونَ مَيْتَةً أَوْ دَمًا مَسْفُوحًا أَوْ لَحْمَ خِنْزِيرٍ فَإِنَّهُ رِجْسٌ
(16147) laḥman meat وَهُوَ الَّذِي سَخَّرَ الْبَحْرَ لِتَأْكُلُوا مِنْهُ لَحْمًا طَرِيًّا
(161156) walaḥma and the flesh إِنَّمَا حَرَّمَ عَلَيْكُمُ الْمَيْتَةَ وَالدَّمَ وَلَحْمَ الْخِنْزِيرِ وَمَا أُهِلَّ لِغَيْرِ اللَّهِ بِهِ
(22374) luḥūmuhā their meat لَنْ يَنَالَ اللَّهَ لُحُومُهَا وَلَا دِمَاؤُهَا وَلَٰكِنْ يَنَالُهُ التَّقْوَىٰ مِنْكُمْ
(231413) laḥman (with) flesh فَخَلَقْنَا الْمُضْغَةَ عِظَامًا فَكَسَوْنَا الْعِظَامَ لَحْمًا
(351215) laḥman meat وَمِنْ كُلٍّ تَأْكُلُونَ لَحْمًا طَرِيًّا وَتَسْتَخْرِجُونَ حِلْيَةً تَلْبَسُونَهَا
(491222) laḥma (the) flesh أَيُحِبُّ أَحَدُكُمْ أَنْ يَأْكُلَ لَحْمَ أَخِيهِ مَيْتًا فَكَرِهْتُمُوهُ
(52223) walaḥmin and meat وَأَمْدَدْنَاهُمْ بِفَاكِهَةٍ وَلَحْمٍ مِمَّا يَشْتَهُونَ
(56211) walaḥmi And (the) flesh وَلَحْمِ طَيْرٍ مِمَّا يَشْتَهُونَ(Word by Word) ...and the flesh (of)
Muhammad Asad ...and the flesh of
M. M. Pickthall ...flesh and
Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985) ...and the flesh of
Yusuf Ali (Orig. 193 ...and the flesh of
Shakir ...and flesh of
Wahiduddin Khan ...and the flesh of
Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar ...and flesh of
Safi Kaskas ...and the flesh of
Abdul Hye ...the flesh of
The Study Quran ...and the flesh of
Abdul Majid Daryabadi ...flesh
Ahmed Ali ...and the flesh of
Ali Ãœnal ...and the flesh of
Ali Quli Qara'i ...the flesh of
Hamid S. Aziz ...and the flesh of
Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali ...and the flesh of
Muhammad Sarwar ...the flesh of
Muhammad Taqi Usmani ...the flesh of
Shabbir Ahmed ...flesh
Syed Vickar Ahamed ...and the flesh of
Umm Muhammad (Sahih International) ...the flesh of
Dr. Munir Munshey ...flesh
Dr. Kamal Omar ...and the flesh of
Talal A. Itani (new translation) ....and the flesh of
Maududi ....and the flesh of
A.L. Bilal Muhammad et al (201 ...the flesh of
Mohammad Shafi ...flesh ofLANE LEXICON
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not necessarily meat alone, but also to date and walnut.
Even the Lane Lexicon said it does not apply to "MEAT ALONE"...
it clearly said "maggoty/stinking" ... "applied" to
(flesh) of a date
(flesh) of a walnutFLESH-meat
(FLESH (first subject matter) + MEAT / DATE / WALNET / FRUITS (second subject matter) ... flesh and meat not the same thing)
flesh
The flesh of a fruit or vegetable is the soft, inner part.
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inconsistently...
(2013 Edition) ...and the meat of pig
Meat ALONE...
Why do they not produce a clear argument concerning them? (Accordingly) Who could do greater wrong than someone who invents a lie against Allah/Sunnatullah/Law of Nature/EcoLogic? (1815)
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all maggoty and stinking meat, fruits etc are covered by 2173, 53, 6145, 16115... it is haram. These verses refer to "flesh" (of meat and fruits etc) and NOT MEAT ALONE. ELSE you will make halal all maggoty and stinking foods other than pork since there are no verses to prohibit maggoty and stinking meat (cow, goat, chicken, rabbit, camel, horse etc)
Now is this the last resort for you to approach for your wavering claim .... Just look at that... So you have come to a point haplessly to say that God has not explained prohibition for food that are decayed.. so you took the meaning of laham kyinzeer to adjust = Flesh/meat of any edible matter which is rotten....
Dude in basic 04 prohibited things God of course didn't say decayed food, is it really necessary to say like addressing to fools... No... but still God used the word in 2168 "O men! eat the LAWFUL and GOOD THINGS out of what is in the earth, and do not follow the footsteps of the Shaitan; surely he is your open enemy."don't you use your wits Mahdi.... or you follow the steps of satan... God crystal clearly saying Eat what is GOOD... but prohibition is given in simple language by not complicating the reader... if God happen to bring all the animals and say this one is lawful and that one is unlawful, this book will become only Prohibition of Foods... Just insanity at its best...
Compare the quran and find out what suits best... that's intelligence.. rather than posting posters after posters of meats here.. The below verse you posted many times... i wonder you even pondered what it says... Coz you have not researched but remained in your view and adjusted quran to your taste..Why don't they research the (interpretation and translation of the) Quran? Don't they realize that if it(s interpretation and translation) was from someone other than Allah/TRUTH (falsehood), they would find many discrepancies in it. (482)
O Man.... in the basic prohibition verses of quran it includes everything... but you failed to grasp....suppose you are claiming if khinzeeer is not rotten meat, then God failed to explain such decay items prohibition, question is did God, explain to you as Kaltun raised the prohibition of Human meat (cannibalization)... Strongly NO.. but somehow if you are against it, then you would have compared quran from other verses.. next Has God given prohibition in those basic four not to consume Poison? No.. So can you claim it is not prohibited so consume..or you use your knowledge and compare quran....
God knows what people will like to eat though almost all foods are lawful...just to simplify God used simple way of explanation...I don't need to convince you but i am writing these things so that intelligent would not get trapped to ignorance....
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Hi....
Videos are not necessary to prove QURAN but still information and communication is key for human...
So pls watch below links ... You all know worldwide what erudite has to say about pigs... It's no wonder...https//youtu.be/Excuups8GtQ
https//youtu.be/wYR3GYsMtds
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God has not explained prohibition for food that are decayed.. so you took the meaning of laham kyinzeer to adjust = Flesh/meat of any edible matter which is rotten....
you're so desperate; ALL .. yes
read the above, and what Lexicon said about the following word
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so what is your answer to the above issue?
Does Allah really say "MEAT ALONE" or it is just you?
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610488.msg421592#msg421592
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So pls watch below links ... You all know worldwide what erudite has to say about pigs... It's no wonder...
https//youtu.be/Excuups8GtQ
https//youtu.be/wYR3GYsMtds
Irrelevant.
You who have iman! do not ask about matters which, if they were made known to you, would make things difficult for you. If you do ask about them when the Qur´an is being sent down, they will be made known to you. Allah has ignored them (pork, for the jews, and order "The FOOD OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK (pork) is also halal for you)". Allah is Ever-Forgiving, All-Forbearing. (5101)
even if it is bad to eat pork, no problem... "Allah is Ever-Forgiving, All-Forbearing."(5101)
It may be that you hate something when it is good for you and it may be that you love something when it is bad for you. Allah knows and you do not know. (2216)
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you're so desperate; ALL .. yes
read the above, and what Lexicon said about the following word
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so what is your answer to the above issue?
Does Allah really say "MEAT ALONE" or it is just you?
Dictionaries irrelevant to me... Coz its human infusion... I always take the meaning within Quran whenever possible.... I only approach to dictionary to see the basic.... Not depend on dictionary to have my final decision... Got it... My final decision is within Quran....
Quran clearly indicate in verses other than the subject whenever laham appears it is meat.. And as well the prohibited veres... That's it... -
So Lexicon and all those interpreters are wrong when they define it as the "FLESH" ? No reason? No evidence? No Logic? NOT EVEN the corroborative evidence etc from the Quran? It is "MEAT ALONE". PERIOD! yes
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Peace Mahdi.
What was forbidden for the Jews can you list them for us please ?
Please list all items with evidence.
Thanks.
GOD bless you.
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The issue IS NOT what is forbidden for the Jews. (#strawman #redherring)
The issue what IS NOT FORBIDDEN for the Jews.
Because what IS NOT FORBIDDEN for the Jews is halal for muslim.
The FOOD (pork) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... anyone who rejects iman (in pork as halal), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (55)
Understand the issue?
Allah mention nothing about pork was made haram for the Jews
WE MADE HARAM FOR THE JEWS every animal with an undivided hoof, and in respect of cattle and sheep, We made their fat haram for them, except what is attached to their backs or guts or mixed up with bone. That is how We repaid them for their insolence. And WE CERTAINLY SPEAK THE TRUTH (not the Torah/Bible). (6146)
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So Lexicon and all those interpreters are wrong when they define it as the "FLESH" ? No reason? No evidence? No Logic? NOT EVEN the corroborative evidence etc from the Quran? It is "MEAT ALONE". PERIOD! yes
is that you really Mr. Mahdi asking from me........ Go back to your Allah = Energy thread.... do so called dictionaries claim so that Allah = Energy.... i didn't refer those dictionaries but still curious to know are they wrong by claiming Allah is God...
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Yes? No?
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610488.msg421592#msg421592
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Peace Mahdi.
If you do not list the items that are forbidden for the Jews with evidence you cannot say what is halal for sure.
That remains your own assumption then and your argument is nullified.
It is relevant here since you are claiming an item halal for the jews.
It is also right that we check tall the items.
Failing to do so, it remains your assumption.
GOD bless you.
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Look brother? I am not coming after your every post? but I am against what is not right ?. So if I am in a position to counter argue I will in sha allah do it.. look dude..
6146 God prohibited certain foods for Jews as a result of their INSOLENCE not coz that food has to be prohibited for human consumption?. So we can imagine what actually would have basically prohibited for Jews before this restriction applied coz of insolence?.Key here is insolence ?. Nothing else..
Allah won?t change HIS Sunna?
55 Now allah says Their food (people of the book- you have completely left out Christians here and only keep claiming Jews..).. let?s hope their food till the day the quran revelation took place were with such restrictions as per 6146?. Then in the same 55 God says Your Food are lawful? Just apply logic dude?. Now what is Your food i.e. the food lawful in quran? That?s so simple? Whatever their lawful food and whatever Your lawful food in the end becomes with four restricted foods that are Dead animal, blood, meat of swine and the sacrificed other than God? Are foods mentioned in 6146 prohibited for those who take quran as guidance? so their foods already in our list and our food were not in their lawful list .. so with the verse 55 that also lawful for them? lifting the ban?..clear?
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If you do not list the items that are forbidden for the Jews with evidence you cannot say what is halal for sure.
That remains your own assumption then and your argument is nullified.ad nauseam..
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Well 6146 did not mention meat of pork either . It does not mean it is halal.According to you, but not the Quran.
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according to your logic if Qoran does not mention it ,it is Halal.You who have iman! do not ask about matters which, if they were made known to you, would make things difficult for you. If you do ask about them when the Qur´an is being sent down, they will be made known to you. Allah has ignored them (pork, for the jews, and order "The FOOD OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK (pork) is also halal for you)". Allah is Ever-Forgiving, All-Forbearing. (5101)
even if it is bad to eat pork, no problem... "Allah is Ever-Forgiving, All-Forbearing."(5101)
So where is your authority from the Quran that it is haram (things Allah does not mentioned in the Quran)?
What verse?
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