Pork is HALAL
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peace -- topic is dumb; horrible cross-reference, logic, and translations.
can't use pig in one verse to mean "rotten/stinky" whatever in another.likewise...
lahma consists of everything including 6146 fat theirs dual
khinziri/swine (noun) meat, fat, skin etc., see fish/bird examples2173 and flesh the swine
53 and flesh the swine
16115 and flesh the swine560 and the swines (compares human behavior)
6145 flesh swine2259 we cover it flesh of
2314 so cover we of the bones flesh of
4912 that devoured flesh brother his1614 the sea to thou eat ye of from it flesh of
3512 and from each thou eating flesh of (e.g. whole fish)2237 never reach the god flesh theirs
5222 with fruit and flesh from what desiring
5621 and flesh bird/fowl from what desiring (e.g. whole bird)
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lahma consists of everything including 6146 شحومهما fat theirs dual
khinziri/swine (noun) meat, fat, skin etc., see fish/bird examplesDoes that change the fact that Allah does not forbid pork for the Jews?
Did Allah forget to mention about "Pork"?
WE MADE HARAM FOR THE JEWS every animal with an undivided hoof, and in respect of cattle and sheep, We made their fat haram for them, except what is attached to their backs or guts or mixed up with bone. That is how We repaid them for their insolence. And WE CERTAINLY SPEAK THE TRUTH (not the Torah/Bible). (6146)
• And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you. Leviticus 117-8 ESV
• And the pig, because it parts the hoof but does not chew the cud, is unclean for you. Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. Deuteronomy 148 ESV
Accordingly
The FOOD (flesh of swine) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... anyone who rejects iman (halal foods and flesh of swine), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (55)
and flesh means...
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not necessarily meat alone, but also to date and walnut.
Even the Lane Lexicon said it does not apply to "MEAT ALONE"...
it clearly said "maggoty/stinking" ... "applied" to
(flesh) of a date
(flesh) of a walnutFLESH-meat
(FLESH (first subject matter) + MEAT/DATE/WALNUT/FRUIT (second subject matter) ... flesh and meat not the same thing)
flesh
The flesh of a fruit or vegetable is the soft, inner part.
https//dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/flesh
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Does that change the fact that Allah does not forbid pork to the Jews?
what's the word for jews?
why do you care about jews?
what has to do with what's prohibited?btw, start new thread since swine flesh is prohibited period! (end of conversation!)
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what's the word for jews?
why do you care about jews?
what has to do with what's prohibited?btw, start new thread since swine flesh is prohibited period! (end of conversation!)
Because of this...
The FOOD (flesh of swine) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... anyone who rejects iman (halal foods and flesh of swine), his actions/amal will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (55)
and verse 6145 (pork was prohibited???) must be consistent with verse 6146 (pork was allowed)
Do you then believe in a part of the Book and disbelieve in the other? (285)
so
Does that change the fact that Allah does not forbid pork for the Jews?
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Why don't they research the (interpretation and translation of the) Quran? Don't they realize that if it(s interpretation and translation) was from someone other than Allah/TRUTH (falsehood), they would find many discrepancies in it. (482)
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Credat Judaeus Apella, non ego -- Latin for "let Apella the Jew believe, not I"
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Please study LOGIC.
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and verse 6145 (pork was prohibited???) must be consistent with verse 6146 (pork was allowed)
The FOOD (flesh of swine) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... anyone who rejects iman (halal foods and flesh of swine), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (55)
Do you then believe in a part of the Book and disbelieve in the other? (285)
so
Does that change the fact that Allah does not forbid pork for the Jews?
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As for those who deny Our Signs and are arrogant regarding them, the Gates of Heaven will not be opened for them, and they will not enter the Garden until a camel goes through a needle´s eye. That is how We repay the evildoers. (740)
On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full? Hell will answer, Are there any more? (5030)
wishful thinking is one thing, reality is ANOTHER.
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These people of ours have taken LordLaws apart from Him/Sunnatullah/Law of Nature/EcoLogic. Why do they not produce a clear argument concerning them? (Accordingly) Who could do greater wrong than someone who invents a lie against Allah/Sunnatullah/Law of Nature/EcoLogic? (1815)
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Dear walqalami...
That's why I told in my earlier threads that non of laham words take the meaning other than meat... He is intentionally misguiding people... And claim he has won we are defeated.. I wonder such claimers have any proof to say so.. That's pathetic approach...
Anyhow I will keep expose his fallacy and twisting taking into consideration the innocent believers who may bend without pondering sometimes or with limited knowledge .....Any one answer me why God called laham khinzeer (rijsz) and still ordered to eat under compulsion?... Undeniable it is the meat of swine...
Note carefully... In 10 places the word rijsz is occurring in entire quran.. If you read with meticulous effort you will find that rijsz is not any kind of uncleanliness coz of rotten meat. But this rijsz entirely different .this is not a word to be used when a meat is spoiled or any other edible thing is decayed but it is totally different... It's totally abomination / defilement / kind of evil which is inside hearts and naturally as such, etc... Cannot be called for example when a cat is dead and getting decayed.. O! No. Don't touch it.. It is rijsz.. No way... That's insane...
God called it rijsz... Coz God knew what is pork .its undeniably filthy meat that we don't perceive even it looks attractive and tasty ... But reality is different.. No need to explain what is pork it's nature... . Same as the filthy hearts never goes right ..
Isn't this a proof my dear members?
But for those who play around here to divert people nothing will be proof coz they are blind and misguided and who will guide them...
Pls check all rijsz verses dear believers I am sure it will help you if you use your wits. ..Pork is prohibited I claim with proof and without hesitation tell everyone it's prohibited.... I am well aware verse 587...
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That's why I told in my earlier threads that non of laham words take the meaning other than meat... He is intentionally misguiding people...
all maggoty and stinking meat, fruits etc are covered by 2173, 53, 6145, 16115... it is haram. These verses refer to "flesh" (of meat and fruits etc) and NOT MEAT ALONE. ELSE you will make halal all maggoty and stinking foods other than pork since there are no verses to prohibit maggoty and stinking meat (cow, goat, chicken, rabbit, camel, horse etc) and fruits etc; refer to verse 5101. Business people could use these rotten meats and sell it to customer for profit.
Why don't they research the (interpretation and translation of the) Quran? Don't they realize that if it(s interpretation and translation) was from someone other than Allah/TRUTH (falsehood), they would find many discrepancies in it. (482)
Noun
(21736) walaḥma and flesh إِنَّمَا حَرَّمَ عَلَيْكُمُ الْمَيْتَةَ وَالدَّمَ وَلَحْمَ الْخِنْزِيرِ وَمَا أُهِلَّ بِهِ لِغَيْرِ اللَّهِ
(225956) laḥman (with) flesh وَانْظُرْ إِلَى الْعِظَامِ كَيْفَ نُنْشِزُهَا ثُمَّ نَكْسُوهَا لَحْمًا
(535) walaḥmu and flesh حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمُ الْمَيْتَةُ وَالدَّمُ وَلَحْمُ الْخِنْزِيرِ وَمَا أُهِلَّ لِغَيْرِ اللَّهِ بِهِ
(614520) laḥma (the) flesh إِلَّا أَنْ يَكُونَ مَيْتَةً أَوْ دَمًا مَسْفُوحًا أَوْ لَحْمَ خِنْزِيرٍ فَإِنَّهُ رِجْسٌ
(16147) laḥman meat وَهُوَ الَّذِي سَخَّرَ الْبَحْرَ لِتَأْكُلُوا مِنْهُ لَحْمًا طَرِيًّا
(161156) walaḥma and the flesh إِنَّمَا حَرَّمَ عَلَيْكُمُ الْمَيْتَةَ وَالدَّمَ وَلَحْمَ الْخِنْزِيرِ وَمَا أُهِلَّ لِغَيْرِ اللَّهِ بِهِ
(22374) luḥūmuhā their meat لَنْ يَنَالَ اللَّهَ لُحُومُهَا وَلَا دِمَاؤُهَا وَلَٰكِنْ يَنَالُهُ التَّقْوَىٰ مِنْكُمْ
(231413) laḥman (with) flesh فَخَلَقْنَا الْمُضْغَةَ عِظَامًا فَكَسَوْنَا الْعِظَامَ لَحْمًا
(351215) laḥman meat وَمِنْ كُلٍّ تَأْكُلُونَ لَحْمًا طَرِيًّا وَتَسْتَخْرِجُونَ حِلْيَةً تَلْبَسُونَهَا
(491222) laḥma (the) flesh أَيُحِبُّ أَحَدُكُمْ أَنْ يَأْكُلَ لَحْمَ أَخِيهِ مَيْتًا فَكَرِهْتُمُوهُ
(52223) walaḥmin and meat وَأَمْدَدْنَاهُمْ بِفَاكِهَةٍ وَلَحْمٍ مِمَّا يَشْتَهُونَ
(56211) walaḥmi And (the) flesh وَلَحْمِ طَيْرٍ مِمَّا يَشْتَهُونَ(Word by Word) ...and the flesh (of)
Muhammad Asad ...and the flesh of
M. M. Pickthall ...flesh and
Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985) ...and the flesh of
Yusuf Ali (Orig. 193 ...and the flesh of
Shakir ...and flesh of
Wahiduddin Khan ...and the flesh of
Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar ...and flesh of
Safi Kaskas ...and the flesh of
Abdul Hye ...the flesh of
The Study Quran ...and the flesh of
Abdul Majid Daryabadi ...flesh
Ahmed Ali ...and the flesh of
Ali Ãœnal ...and the flesh of
Ali Quli Qara'i ...the flesh of
Hamid S. Aziz ...and the flesh of
Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali ...and the flesh of
Muhammad Sarwar ...the flesh of
Muhammad Taqi Usmani ...the flesh of
Shabbir Ahmed ...flesh
Syed Vickar Ahamed ...and the flesh of
Umm Muhammad (Sahih International) ...the flesh of
Dr. Munir Munshey ...flesh
Dr. Kamal Omar ...and the flesh of
Talal A. Itani (new translation) ....and the flesh of
Maududi ....and the flesh of
A.L. Bilal Muhammad et al (201 ...the flesh of
Mohammad Shafi ...flesh ofLANE LEXICON
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not necessarily meat alone, but also to date and walnut.
Even the Lane Lexicon said it does not apply to "MEAT ALONE"...
it clearly said "maggoty/stinking" ... "applied" to
(flesh) of a date
(flesh) of a walnutFLESH-meat
(FLESH (first subject matter) + MEAT / DATE / WALNET / FRUITS (second subject matter) ... flesh and meat not the same thing)
flesh
The flesh of a fruit or vegetable is the soft, inner part.
https//dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/flesh
inconsistently...
(2013 Edition) ...and the meat of pig
Meat ALONE...
Why do they not produce a clear argument concerning them? (Accordingly) Who could do greater wrong than someone who invents a lie against Allah/Sunnatullah/Law of Nature/EcoLogic? (1815)
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all maggoty and stinking meat, fruits etc are covered by 2173, 53, 6145, 16115... it is haram. These verses refer to "flesh" (of meat and fruits etc) and NOT MEAT ALONE. ELSE you will make halal all maggoty and stinking foods other than pork since there are no verses to prohibit maggoty and stinking meat (cow, goat, chicken, rabbit, camel, horse etc)
Now is this the last resort for you to approach for your wavering claim .... Just look at that... So you have come to a point haplessly to say that God has not explained prohibition for food that are decayed.. so you took the meaning of laham kyinzeer to adjust = Flesh/meat of any edible matter which is rotten....
Dude in basic 04 prohibited things God of course didn't say decayed food, is it really necessary to say like addressing to fools... No... but still God used the word in 2168 "O men! eat the LAWFUL and GOOD THINGS out of what is in the earth, and do not follow the footsteps of the Shaitan; surely he is your open enemy."don't you use your wits Mahdi.... or you follow the steps of satan... God crystal clearly saying Eat what is GOOD... but prohibition is given in simple language by not complicating the reader... if God happen to bring all the animals and say this one is lawful and that one is unlawful, this book will become only Prohibition of Foods... Just insanity at its best...
Compare the quran and find out what suits best... that's intelligence.. rather than posting posters after posters of meats here.. The below verse you posted many times... i wonder you even pondered what it says... Coz you have not researched but remained in your view and adjusted quran to your taste..Why don't they research the (interpretation and translation of the) Quran? Don't they realize that if it(s interpretation and translation) was from someone other than Allah/TRUTH (falsehood), they would find many discrepancies in it. (482)
O Man.... in the basic prohibition verses of quran it includes everything... but you failed to grasp....suppose you are claiming if khinzeeer is not rotten meat, then God failed to explain such decay items prohibition, question is did God, explain to you as Kaltun raised the prohibition of Human meat (cannibalization)... Strongly NO.. but somehow if you are against it, then you would have compared quran from other verses.. next Has God given prohibition in those basic four not to consume Poison? No.. So can you claim it is not prohibited so consume..or you use your knowledge and compare quran....
God knows what people will like to eat though almost all foods are lawful...just to simplify God used simple way of explanation...I don't need to convince you but i am writing these things so that intelligent would not get trapped to ignorance....
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Hi....
Videos are not necessary to prove QURAN but still information and communication is key for human...
So pls watch below links ... You all know worldwide what erudite has to say about pigs... It's no wonder...https//youtu.be/Excuups8GtQ
https//youtu.be/wYR3GYsMtds
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God has not explained prohibition for food that are decayed.. so you took the meaning of laham kyinzeer to adjust = Flesh/meat of any edible matter which is rotten....
you're so desperate; ALL .. yes
read the above, and what Lexicon said about the following word
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so what is your answer to the above issue?
Does Allah really say "MEAT ALONE" or it is just you?
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610488.msg421592#msg421592
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So pls watch below links ... You all know worldwide what erudite has to say about pigs... It's no wonder...
https//youtu.be/Excuups8GtQ
https//youtu.be/wYR3GYsMtds
Irrelevant.
You who have iman! do not ask about matters which, if they were made known to you, would make things difficult for you. If you do ask about them when the Qur´an is being sent down, they will be made known to you. Allah has ignored them (pork, for the jews, and order "The FOOD OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK (pork) is also halal for you)". Allah is Ever-Forgiving, All-Forbearing. (5101)
even if it is bad to eat pork, no problem... "Allah is Ever-Forgiving, All-Forbearing."(5101)
It may be that you hate something when it is good for you and it may be that you love something when it is bad for you. Allah knows and you do not know. (2216)
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you're so desperate; ALL .. yes
read the above, and what Lexicon said about the following word
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so what is your answer to the above issue?
Does Allah really say "MEAT ALONE" or it is just you?
Dictionaries irrelevant to me... Coz its human infusion... I always take the meaning within Quran whenever possible.... I only approach to dictionary to see the basic.... Not depend on dictionary to have my final decision... Got it... My final decision is within Quran....
Quran clearly indicate in verses other than the subject whenever laham appears it is meat.. And as well the prohibited veres... That's it... -
So Lexicon and all those interpreters are wrong when they define it as the "FLESH" ? No reason? No evidence? No Logic? NOT EVEN the corroborative evidence etc from the Quran? It is "MEAT ALONE". PERIOD! yes
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Peace Mahdi.
What was forbidden for the Jews can you list them for us please ?
Please list all items with evidence.
Thanks.
GOD bless you.
Peace.