Was there any other creation before humans and jinn and why are most made for...

Jafar

Talking about humans(Children of Adam), they are reminded of loyalty to GOD Alone

All creatures are serving the one infinite creator and always.
There's no disloyalty.. it doesn't exist.. as there isn't any other creator in the first place, to whom they change their loyalty to??

Although how they serve might be different.

The path of "egocentricity" is a very hard path; fear, distress, sadness, anger, hatred, pride, denial, dis attachment, rejection, despair, revenge.
That's why it's the path of illusion.
But the creatures who took such path are also serving the one infinite creator.

Through them, the contrast can be seen, and peace, acceptance, love, humility, forgiveness, compassion, understanding can also be recognized. Such path is the natural path, it's easy, it's pleasing. And at one point in time even those who took the path of illusion shall return to the natural path.

As everything emanate from the one infinite source, or in metaphoric term; children of the one infinite source thus everything shall also return and unified to the one infinite source. How do you know it's the true one infinite source? You will know, because it's pleasing, true and natural / effortless.

Which one felt more natural and pleasing? Spreading fear, hatred and threat? or spreading Peace, Love and Understanding?

Some might choose fear, and enjoy the sensation of being feared, superiority over others and in control.
Yet such sensation is temporary and it will be forced to continuously maintain the fear in order to maintain superiority and control. It takes a lot of effort, a lot suffering as the fear will be mirrored back to fear spreader itself. It will also have fear of losing control and not being feared anymore. Which at one point it will, it will lose control and not being feared anymore, such moment is the moment of enlightenment for those who took the egocentricity path.

Even the perception that it is not serving the one infinite creator or having a control is also merely an illusion. As even though it took the 'hard' path, the egocentricity path, it also actually serving the one infinite creator and the one infinite creator always have control over everything. The egocentric being just refused to admit it, as thus it's living within an illusion.

As for the humble, acknowledging that the one infinite creator is actually the one who control and does everything shall felt no sensation of pride. As what is there to be proud of? As it's merely playing the role as designated and designed by the one infinite creator.

Peace

good_logic

Peace Imran.

You say quote
You can believe it but you cant KNOW it. All what u are saying/posting/refferring is a belief not KNOWING.

You are talking about your perception of people. Mine is different,
For example, in my opinion, some people can know what others take as beliefs through other senses like feelings, , inspiration, manifestations/communication with other beings....etc.
One may think they cannot possibly know, they just believe,but they come up with things that are abnormal/impossible under normal ways.. Take some prophets like Moses....Or was that just fairy tales?

For me, I know GOD exist. I am certain. I do not expect others to know ,nor care if they think I do not really know, it is only a belief.
It is my personal experience and I am satisfied and confident that it is a true fact, regardless of others.

As for the following, quote

Its Allah who makes YOU laugh and cry.
Its Allah who guide whom he wills and misguides whom he wills.
Its Allah who is responsible for richness and poverty.
Its Allah who creates all evil and good.

More important ONE
When some good befalls them they said its from us and when something bad happen they said its from you whats wrong with those people, tell them everything is from Allah.

These all have got a reason,that you probably missed when taking verses out of context
1- It depends on the initial choice/decision of the individual first and foremost.
2- The knowledge that GOD has about the true conviction ,of the individual and their intentions.

GOD does not force or change the decision of the individual until they change it themselves.
GOD may be in control over everything but the individual is in control of his/her own destiny

GOD bless you.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

Not me brother Imran,, I have limited knowledge.Somebody somewhere knows a lot about GOD!

For me, I know GOD exist. I am certain.

Your statements are not matching lovely GL. Lol

GOD does not force or change the decision of the individual until they change it themselves.

Not true,

Its mean if GOD want to stop someone/something he got no control over creation.

GOD may be in control over everything but the individual is in control of his/her own destiny

Not true again.

Does everything is not = destiny?

The image of God what u have showing lack of control.

Lets talk about some in depth experience me and u already had about our destiny..?

Did we decided our destiny to BORN with what we have?
Our body features?
Our religion?
Our family?
Our conditions?
Our choices what we wanted?
Even our birth and death?

U can replace that word All controlling God to limited control GOD.

good_logic

Peace Imran..
You have these choices according to how I understand my GOD
1-Align yourself with Him.
2-Be an opponent to Him.(This include the in between,/who doubt/ not having one firm decision)

I leave you with this comment
“God decrees whatever he wishes to decree . He controls whatever he chooses to control. He is never caught off guard or at a loss of options. He anticipates and ingeniously outmaneuvers his opponents.
Hence, all who align themselves with him can have total confidence that he will ultimately achieve his objectives and keeps His promises for all creation.”

Disagree if you want, GOD gives you choices as well.
I have nothing to add anymore than what has been said
Thank you once more for youe conversation.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

good_logic

Oh and because I care about my dear brother Imran,even if you do not believe there is freedom of choice,( This will actually work especially for those who do not believe we have choices and make decisions), I advise you to make it your business to align yourself with GOD Alone in this life. This is the only business that succeeds in both this life and the hereafter.
And if one does not believe in accountability in the hereafter, they will have nothing to loose.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Jafar

Oh and because I care about my dear brother Imran,even if you do not believe there is freedom of choice,

"Freedom of choice" doesn't mean that it's free from the one infinite source plan and design.

When one know everything about something he/she/it will automatically control that thing.
The reverse is also true, when you want to control something then you need to know everything about that thing.

Thus, when one does NOT know everything about something, he/she/it can NOT control that thing.
But if he/she/it does NOT know everything BUT wanted to control that thing, In anguish and frustration he spread fear, terror and threat in hope that the thing will do what he/she/it wants due to FEAR.

Yet...
Since the one infinite source knows everything about me, then surely the one infinite source is in full control over me.
Since the one infinite source knows everything about you, then surely the one infinite source is in full control over you.
Since the one infinite source knows everything about everything, then surely the one infinite source is in full control over everything.

I advise you to make it your business to align yourself with GOD Alone in this life. This is the only business that succeeds in both this life and the hereafter.

A very good advice, aligning with the one infinite source.
The advice is also applicable to you though.. and others..

A jewish dude recommend this approach
"Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come"
"Let your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven"

The Father's will shall always be done nonetheless, 100% guaranteed.
No need of spreading terror, threat or be angry.

It's only a matter on how each of you perceived it, as a blessing (acceptance) or as a suffering.

By the way, that jewish dude above ends up (at least in his lifetime on this earth) being framed and tortured by the religious elite. But it seems he managed to disregard the 'pain' signal from his ego and perceive it as a blessing (acceptance).

Peace

imrankhawaja

2-Be an opponent to Him.(This include the in between,/who doubt/ not having one firm decision

Do u believe me, you, we PUNY creation can be opponent to the most powerful being?

Anyway thanks for the care about me lol appreciate that.i have noticed a confused remarks in your statements. I can see your struggling brother but its ok u dnt need to add anything in convo. I can understand that.
Thanks to you too for the convo. handshake

Since the one infinite source knows everything about me, then surely the one infinite source is in full control over me.
Since the one infinite source knows everything about you, then surely the one infinite source is in full control over you.
Since the one infinite source knows everything about everything, then surely the one infinite source is in full control over everything.

TRUE and logical,

Everything included DESTINY of everyone.

good_logic

Peace jafar.
Any reason why you say this to me brother? Quote
A very good advice, aligning with the one infinite source.
The advice is also applicable to you though.. and others..

Do you think/What made you think that I do not apply to myself the advice I give to others? Or may be I singled brother Imran with an advice to lead him astray?

Peace Imran

I struggle daily to make sense of my shortcomings, but I have your interest and all my fellow humans at heart. I mean what I feel.and I try very hard to mean what I say.
If it comes out wrong,gets you feeling negative or hurts you in any way ,please forgive my shortcomings.
The same goes for brother jafar.
I feel both of you doubt GOD and Qoran or you know both differently than I do .. Hence our disagreement sometimes.
But I accept your entitlement and freedom to your views.
GOD bless you both.
Peace.

good_logic

Peace All.
I summarize here and call this post
Lessons from the past to be learned for the humans- Similarly Jinns have their lessons too-

The people of Noah,Hud, Salih, Shuaib....etc are the lessons for us.

This is news from the past communities that we narrate to you. Some are still standing, and some have vanished.

We never wronged them; they wronged their own souls. Their gods, whom they invoked beside God, could not help them in the least when the judgment of your Lord came. In fact, they only ensured their doom.

Such was the retribution enforced by your Lord when the communities transgressed. Indeed, His retribution is painful, devastating.

This should be a lesson for those who fear the retribution of the Hereafter. That is a day when all the people will be summoned - a day to be witnessed.

We have appointed a specific time for it to take place.

The day it comes to pass, no soul will utter a single word, except in accordance with His will. Some will be miserable, and some will be happy.

As for the miserable ones, they will be in Hell, ...

As for the fortunate ones, they will be in Paradise...

Do not have any doubt regarding what these people Yabudu; they Yabudu exactly as they found their parents Yabudu. We will requite them their due share fully, without reduction.

We have given Moses the scripture, but it was disputed, and if it were not for a predetermined word decreed by your Lord, they would have been judged immediately. They are full of doubt about this (scripture too), suspicious.

Your Lord will surely will recompense everyone for their works. He is fully Cognizant of everything they do.

Therefore, continue on the path you have been enjoined to follow, together with those who repented with you, and do not transgress. He is Seer of everything you do.

Do not lean towards those who have transgressed, lest you incur Hell, and find no allies to help you against God, then end up losers.

You shall steadfastly persevere, for God never fails to recompense the righteous.

If only some of those among the previous generations possessed enough intelligence to forbid evil! Only a few of them deserved to be saved by us. As for the transgressors, they were preoccupied with their material luxuries; they were guilty.

Your Lord never annihilates any community unjustly, while its people are righteous.

Had your Lord willed, all the people would have been one congregation (of believers). But they will always dispute (the truth).

Only those blessed with mercy from your Lord (will not dispute the truth). This is why He created them.* The judgment of your Lord has already been issued "I will fill Hell with jinns and humans, all together.- They put themselves there by their decisions and choices!!!)

We narrate to you enough history of the messengers to strengthen your heart. The truth has come to you herein, as well as enlightenments and reminders for the believers.

Say to those who disbelieve,(opponents ) "Do whatever you can, and so will we.

"Then wait; we too will wait."

Indeed all we can do is wait.
May the Lord bless you all.
Peace.

jkhan