Was there any other creation before humans and jinn and why are most made for...
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Peace All.
I summarize here and call this post
Lessons from the past to be learned for the humans- Similarly Jinns have their lessons too-The people of Noah,Hud, Salih, Shuaib....etc are the lessons for us.
This is news from the past communities that we narrate to you. Some are still standing, and some have vanished.
We never wronged them; they wronged their own souls. Their gods, whom they invoked beside God, could not help them in the least when the judgment of your Lord came. In fact, they only ensured their doom.
Such was the retribution enforced by your Lord when the communities transgressed. Indeed, His retribution is painful, devastating.
This should be a lesson for those who fear the retribution of the Hereafter. That is a day when all the people will be summoned - a day to be witnessed.
We have appointed a specific time for it to take place.
The day it comes to pass, no soul will utter a single word, except in accordance with His will. Some will be miserable, and some will be happy.
As for the miserable ones, they will be in Hell, ...
As for the fortunate ones, they will be in Paradise...
Do not have any doubt regarding what these people Yabudu; they Yabudu exactly as they found their parents Yabudu. We will requite them their due share fully, without reduction.
We have given Moses the scripture, but it was disputed, and if it were not for a predetermined word decreed by your Lord, they would have been judged immediately. They are full of doubt about this (scripture too), suspicious.
Your Lord will surely will recompense everyone for their works. He is fully Cognizant of everything they do.
Therefore, continue on the path you have been enjoined to follow, together with those who repented with you, and do not transgress. He is Seer of everything you do.
Do not lean towards those who have transgressed, lest you incur Hell, and find no allies to help you against God, then end up losers.
You shall steadfastly persevere, for God never fails to recompense the righteous.
If only some of those among the previous generations possessed enough intelligence to forbid evil! Only a few of them deserved to be saved by us. As for the transgressors, they were preoccupied with their material luxuries; they were guilty.
Your Lord never annihilates any community unjustly, while its people are righteous.
Had your Lord willed, all the people would have been one congregation (of believers). But they will always dispute (the truth).
Only those blessed with mercy from your Lord (will not dispute the truth). This is why He created them.* The judgment of your Lord has already been issued "I will fill Hell with jinns and humans, all together.- They put themselves there by their decisions and choices!!!)
We narrate to you enough history of the messengers to strengthen your heart. The truth has come to you herein, as well as enlightenments and reminders for the believers.
Say to those who disbelieve,(opponents ) "Do whatever you can, and so will we.
"Then wait; we too will wait."
Indeed all we can do is wait.
May the Lord bless you all.
Peace.Dear GL .
Perfect selection of verses you brought... excellent work... Even if i was in a position of disbelieving in One God and after reading these verses in an unbiased and neutral manner, i would have agreed...
Let them follow whatever they want in their God gifted freedom and knowledge... We are not to compel anyone.... and they are not to compel us either... But debate is debate.. What one would lose by being a very good person in this world while not disobeying his or her Creator... Does he or she lose anything by believing in One God? Does He order anything in His book that is against Human nature and harm to the society?I really appreciate for these selection of verses not coz it would convince those who do not believe but probably strengthen the faith of believers...
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The one who dnt believe in flat earth is kafir and rejector, God will punish all those with fire who dnt beleive in flat earth model. If i would be a round earther i will neutrally look the verses of quran and bible and then believed on flat earth model..
Because my BOOK/team/religion/brain/MODEL of earth is better than others.
Long live my ego and my super natural abilities i m wisest in all wise. >D
I m still not able to understand the difference between faith and knowing..
I m still not able to understnad the view point of debaters...
Because my mind is where all intelligence revolve around i have a special Type of flat mind. Unique to. Others.. hailI feel both of you doubt GOD and Qoran or you know both differently than I do .. Hence our disagreement sometimes.
Thanks for you best wishes, coincidence is this i feel Same about you. But i m not judgemental that you deserved to get punished by fire or hell..
I dnt doubt but i KNOW you reject the quran and God by removing 9 / 128-129.
But you are right one person faith is different than another person. Thats exactly i was trying saying before.
What goes around comes around
TRUE rotfl
Even brother jafar also predict it long before your and mine post..
Pretty optimistic he was... I love that. Lol
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Thank you jkhan.
I have not found any alternative explanation of "who is a human" , "why earth and universe exist" and "what should be the aim /objective of the human life"?
I found , so far, only Qoran gives me my answers. By the way Qoran is not my book or any human book like some call it. I found with solid proof that it is GOD s book..When I ask for an alternative explanation that satisfies both my body and spirit, I am not given any by anyone, only irrelevant arguments or hostile banter . By contrast, I find GOD s argument in Qoran strong , truthful and an accurate guide to how I should lead this life and succeed.
In fact , no one can explain why we die if we take GOD out of the equation?
I see ,unfortunately, the majority carrying on with the "status quo" of men s systems even though they failed many times and let people down.
But to each to their way and system.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Imran.
You say, quoteI dnt doubt but i KNOW you reject the quran and God by removing 9 / 128-129.
You found the original Qoran and it contains 128 and 129 verses ? Please show me since you seem sure?
Otherwise ,one of us is wrong as it stands
It would be off topic to discuss here, but we already discussed anyway.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Imran.
You say, quoteI dnt doubt but i KNOW you reject the quran and God by removing 9 / 128-129.
You found the original Qoran and it contains 128 and 129 verses ? Please show me since you seem sure?
Otherwise ,one of us is wrong as it stands
It would be off topic to discuss here, but we already discussed anyway.Superb rotfl
I already clear as crystal that i dont KNOW hence my believe got no value..
But since i KNOW 99.9999999 % people believe that current quran is original and those verses were part of that original quran but you and 0.000000001 % reject it hence your position is quite doubty and dodgy.. Infront of those 99.9999999% believers.
Those believers have evidence that oldest mauscript till Date contain those verses hence burden of proof is also on you what u failed to realise continously ALAS! So sad lol.
Its not offtopic tbh its exactly on topic one person's faith is different than other what value does it have?
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Peace Imran.
You say quote
But since i KNOW 99.9999999 % people believe that current quran is original and those verses were part of that original quran but you and 0.000000001 % reject it hence your position is quite doubty and dodgy.. Infront of those 99.9999999% believers.
Those believers have evidence that oldest mauscript till Date contain those verses hence burden of proof is also on you what u failed to realise continously ALAS! So sad lol.What evidence? I have seen no evidence from them or you!!!
And since when the majority is right? That logic has already been debunked. And if you think the 99.9999..% are right ,their religion must also be right. Then why don t you join it?
Somehow you know this is baseless ,but you continue with the wrong argument.Really when you think about it,only when you try hard to find your own answers and disregard the 99.999...%, will you be satisfied or more frustrated..
At the end of the day,it is like each are on their own journey,not depending on the 99.999...%
Try again brother when you bring the original copy of the prophet with proper evidence.GOD bless you.
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Lem me magnify my words perhaps it help
I said OLDEST till date they have in their evidence...
Do u have any oldest copy in which those verses missing =? BiG no.
So your position is at doubt and hence burden of proof is on you...
About my position, i dont know hence i m not the one who claimed anything..and not interested in knowing too
About your position, you dnt know and you are sure u dnt know but still you believe and are very sure those verses are not the part of quran..
Interestingly u know u dnt have the copy of prophet but you believe in the copy of khalifa missing verses did you see the case now lol... You are the one in doubt about the words of God..
What value does your belief have?
Or other way round is majority lol where you will go now? police
Although using word as majority is not appropriate i didnt use that word.
majority qualifiy on 1/100 %, coders are not even 1 %, their ratio is like 0.0000001 %. What majority lmao? Although if that satisfy you u can consider them as very very very very very low minority. -
Peace Imran.
If you say this to me, quote
About your position, you dnt know and you are sure u dnt know but still you believe and are very sure those verses are not the part of quran..Then you do not know interlock or mathematics. I can confidently say that the words of my Lords have been locked. It is not about oldest Mushaf or the newest oneA anyone can add or take away words , GOD does not care one iota. It is about GOD s original composition of His book. In fact everything runs as planned. In other words GOD knew the past and the future and locked His book.
Do you know why there was a civil war after the prophet s death? Have you investigated the reasons? Oldest copy of the victors is no proof.
Otherwise .if the book stayed intact before and after the prophet ,why bother about the preservation? Think about it?
Preservation means, folks can write what they want, add or take away what they want, It will be obvious and will easily be found out by the Mathematical composition!!!
Their words will not fit in with GOD s words, as simple as that.On another side, why are you persisting on the position of others if you yourself do not know or have any evidence?, quote
About my position, i dont know hence i m not the one who claimed anything..and not interested in knowing too.
I suggest you argue about things that you care about, if you wish.
GOD bless you.
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Then you do not know interlock or mathematics.
peace, since you know then teach him "interlock" show which verse is this, (11) occurrences?
وىل woe ىومىذ day thereof للمكذبىن to those deniers
61030 1064010700 3030402070021050 = 19 x ...!
61030 1064010700 3030402070021050 = 7 x ...!- gv total - 1694 = 7 x 242
- sequence #, word size - 1 3 2 5 3 8 = 7 x 18934
- word size + gv, sequence # - 49 1 771 2 890 3 = 7 x ...!
- cumulative gv, sequence # - 46 1 812 2 1694 3 = 7 x ...!
- gv sequence - 61030 1064010700 3030402070021050 = 7 x ...!
- gv-seq, gv-add - 61030 1064010700 3030402070021050 1694 = 7 x ...!
- gv-add, gv-seq - 1694 61030 1064010700 3030402070021050 = 7 x ...!
- sequence #, word size, word gv - 1 3 46 2 5 766 3 8 882 = 7 x 7 x 7 x ...!
- sequence #, word gv, cumulative # letters - 1 46 3 2 766 8 3 882 16 = 7 x ...!
- sequence #, word gv series - 1 61030 2 1064010700 3 3030402070021050 = 7 x ...!
- sequence #, local letter #, word size - 1 1 2 3 3 2 1 2 3 4 5 5 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 8 = 7 x ...!
- sequence #, word gv, local letter # - 1 46 1 2 3 2 766 1 2 3 4 5 3 882 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 = 7 x ...!
- sequence #, cumulative gv, letter # - 1 46 123 2 812 45678 3 1694 910111213141516 = 7 x ...!
- sequence #, local letter #, cumulative # letters - 1 1 2 3 3 2 1 2 3 4 5 8 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 16 = 7 x ...!
- sequence #, word size, word gv series - 1 3 61030 2 5 1064010700 3 8 3030402070021050 = 7 x ...!
- sequence #, cumulative gv, local letter # - 1 46 1 2 3 2 812 1 2 3 4 5 3 1694 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 = 7 x 7 x ...!
- individual gv, letter #, sequence # - 6 1 10 2 30 3 1 10 4 6 5 40 6 10 7 700 8 2 30 9 30 10 40 11 20 12 700 13 2 14 10 15 50 16 3 = 7 x ...!
- individual gv, letter #, word gv - 6 1 10 2 30 3 46 10 4 6 5 40 6 10 7 700 8 766 30 9 30 10 40 11 20 12 700 13 2 14 10 15 50 16 882 = 7 x ...!
- word gv, Individual gv, letter # - 46 6 1 10 2 30 3 766 10 4 6 5 40 6 10 7 700 8 882 30 9 30 10 40 11 20 12 700 13 2 14 10 15 50 16 = 7 x ...!
Likewise, show exact same consistent pattern “interlock” whatever applied for each/every verse.
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Peace Noon.
Already discussed interlock with you many times. Your imitation is futile. Your old mushafs differ why?You know very well that all the Mus-hafs including the oldest we have today are not written the same way, are they?
The answer is no. All the claims by many famous scholars are false when they claim, that if you compare all Qurans around the world, you can never find any difference. They are different ..
God, however gave us the means to verify which book follows the rules and which does not. If God promised to protect the Quran and preserve it while the Qurans around the world are so different, then there has to be a way, a system, a measure, a verifiable method to check that protection.
After 1974 we know that God gave us that system and with it we can conclude easily which book is protected by God and which book is not.
Or do you say the prophet received your oldest copy? Evidence please? Or he received all the different copies?
GOD bless you.
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Thank you jkhan.
I have not found any alternative explanation of "who is a human" , "why earth and universe exist" and "what should be the aim /objective of the human life"?
I found , so far, only Qoran gives me my answers. By the way Qoran is not my book or any human book like some call it. I found with solid proof that it is GOD s book..When I ask for an alternative explanation that satisfies both my body and spirit, I am not given any by anyone, only irrelevant arguments or hostile banter . By contrast, I find GOD s argument in Qoran strong , truthful and an accurate guide to how I should lead this life and succeed.
In fact , no one can explain why we die if we take GOD out of the equation?
I see ,unfortunately, the majority carrying on with the "status quo" of men s systems even though they failed many times and let people down.
But to each to their way and system.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Let’s be more amicable…. Coz everyone has right to take what they feel right, but after exploration and verification…
Okay.. there are many faiths among the human beings when it comes to religions.. They all have reasons to take what they take…
God believers claim that this world or universe or whatever is created and not anything else
Others claim that Nothing was created and there is No such Supernatural power, but all naturalism.. etc etc..
Okay let me not talk about stationary Earth for the sake of different topic…. I know there are many believers they strongly believe what NASA claims to date… let it be… But question to ask from everyone (all humans regardless of faith) to themselves is “why everything (universe for that matter scientifically) came into existence? I won’t ask HOW but WHY? Or Why is this massive universe so accurately tailor-made and also for the appearance of life on Earth, as well very intelligent Human also on it? Why such humans have beginning and ending? Why it is not in anyone’s control? Are these meaningful to anyone? Why we shed tears naturally with feeling in this auto generated Universe while living in an absolutely tiny insignificant mote named Earth? For what purpose we are having a life?
Okay fine deny God .. be satisfied with denial, but why everything originated as modern science claims 13.8 billions of years ago.. And now we see totally a different Earth and living creatures on it...Why it took billions of years to originate creatures on earth after its formation… Why we don’t see any evolution process now? At least a simple process.. What is soul then? For example human body has a Soul ( a living invisible power which operates a physical body with Energy).. where it comes from and enters to the physic of a baby even before its birth? And leaves when it dies? Is dead body and living person same? What separates both is in fact a Soul.. isn’t the soul a sign for us? -
Then you do not know interlock or mathematics.
TRUE teach me please.. Lol
Its appears u yourself dnt know about it and always dodge the questions what NOON brother is asking from you since ages.. Just take your time read his post and understand what he asked its about interlocking i guess lol. Its another matter if its difficult for you to grasp what hes is asking he can help the people who are weak in math..
May b u need more classes of math lmao just kidding..
You believed you are confident.. ( mind 1)
Others believed you are over-confident (mind 2).Thats what i was telling you but u never learn lol.
Do you know why there was a civil war after the prophet s death? Have you investigated the reasons?
Next questions
Why there were 1st and 2nd civil wars? ( make it a plural)
Why we need to believe on history accounts of those wars?
Why one account is different than others?I dnt know because i was not there but you already know because you are a time travelor my bad i forget that lmao rotfl
A cross question from you...
Have you investigate the REPORTS of those investigation reports? Their realibility? Their authenicity? Perhaps code 19 also works on Hadith accounts to check which hadith is Authentic lmao yay
Oldest copy of the victors is no proof.
Its not a proof Just for you who is in 0.00000001 % minority. So case dismissed, Not from me but from Majority. Lol teach them math but first teach yourself if u dnt wana look funny group
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Peace Imran.
You say, quote
TRUE teach me please.. LolYou come across as intelligent and quite able to teach yourself.
Here is what I researched and verified with Qoran( You may have seen it before)
https//submission.org/verify_preserving_and_protecting_Quran.htmlOnly be honest with yourself and sincere in checking as some people do not bother and keep their bias and ridicule and do not check facts. . Of course you need to check the other side.and compare, keeping Qoran as criteria.
At the end of the day, we are not responsible for one another. GOD knows our intention and that is enough for me.
You and me are where we are, this generation. We cannot go back in time nor can we ignore falsehood. Therefore we check according to our faculties and what GOD gave to us in intelligence and knowledge.
Our conclusion needs to be drawn from our own search and hard work, as long as it is done with sincerity and without bias,
I wish you the best in your journey brother.
GOD bless you.
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You come across as intelligent and quite able to teach yourself.
Here is what I researched and verified with Qoran( You may have seen it before)
https//submission.org/verify_preserving_and_protecting_Quran.htmlpeace, where in the article is "interlock" or consistent pattern?
they call “the original” Samarkand late 8th / early 9th century?
why not adjust "all words" accordingly vs one to get a multiple?769 which was written with Sad, corrected to written with Seen as in the Tashkent Quran.
بَسْطَةً with "seen" 2147 … وزاده and enhance him (singular) بسطه
بَصْۜطَةًۖ with "saad" 769 … وزادكم and enhance you (plural) فى in الخلق the creation بصطهwith “saad” 10th line from top
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/7/vers/69?handschrift=13with “saad” 10th line from bottom
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/7/vers/69?handschrift=56The ‘original’ of 203 is without nun but the modern version includes it
notice initials 201 طه ta ha (together with next verse in old manuscripts)
likewise read in context it cannot be لم lam/not OR لم lima/for what/why
University of Birmingham Islamic Arabic 1572 dated 568-645 CE (95.4%)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/20/vers/3/handschrift/281203 لمن liman/to whom ىخشى feared
7926 لمن liman/to whom ىخشى fearedThe ‘original’ of 3620 is missing the Yaa and Nun which the modern version has.
The ‘original’ of 3621 is missing a Meem which the modern version hasLook closely that part of the text is torn in Samarkand manuscript
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/36/vers/20?handschrift=141word correctly spelled with yn المرسلىن (plural)
word cannot be missing yn i.e. المرسل (singular)
7th line from top read in context 3614 - 3621
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/36/vers/20?handschrift=107In the ‘original’ the letter form for fa or qaf is present in 1972 whereas the letter nun occurs in the modern versions
no such word exists; see 10th line from bottom
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/19/vers/72?handschrift=163
1972 ونذر and we leave الظلمىن the wrongdoers فىها therein جثىا crouchingThe ‘original’ of 20108 is without seen which is in the modern version.
no such word without “seen” exists
20108 … فلا so not تسمع thou hear الا except همسا hamsan/whisper of
6th line from bottom Arabe 328 (c) dated 568-645 CE (95.4%)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/20/vers/108?handschrift=158The ‘original’ of 2079 has nun whereas the modern version has yaa
1st line at bottom; read in context cannot be with N as in 680 هدن hadani/guide me
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/20/vers/79/handschrift/107In the ‘original’ , 3826 is without yaa whereas the modern version has one
7th line from bottom last word -- read in context "ya" required
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/38/vers/26?handschrift=163
3826 ولا and not تتبع thou follow الهوى the desire فىضلك fayudillaka/so “it/ya” misguide youThere is an extra yaa in 215 in the modern 1924 Egyptian Arabic EDITION
215 ىستهزى mocked (spelled with ya)
see same manuscript 4th line from top 214 مستهزىون who mocking (with ya)
5th line from bottom -- also see (14) occurrences ىستهزىون mocking (with ya)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/15?handschrift=428The ‘original’ of 1883 has the letter meem that was replaced by the letters nun and yaa in the modern version.
7th line from top last word 1894 القرنىن (same manuscript spelled correctly) https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/18/vers/94/handschrift/141
3rd line from bottom
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/18/vers/83?handschrift=107The pronoun huwa is present in the Tashkent-Samarqand ‘original’ of 2284, whereas the modern Arabic version has the word Allah!!
2284 والله
10th line from top -- Cairo, National Library qāf 47 dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/284?handschrift=73In the modern version of 257 a word "Alykum" appears which is not in the ‘original’
257 وظللنا and shades we of علىكم upon you الغمام the clouds …
3rd line from top https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/57?handschrift=163In the ‘original’ an alif in 599 was replaced in the the modern Arabic version with yaa.
read in context cannot be as in 284 علا exalt فى in الارض the land
8th line from the bottom at middle
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/5/vers/99?handschrift=163
599 ما not على upon الرسول the messenger الا except البلغ the conveyance
2454, 2918 وما and not على upon الرسول the messenger الا except البلغ the conveyanceIn the ‘original’ of 611, the letter lam precedes the mim whereas in the modern version a letter tha is in its place.
read in context it cannot be the word لم lam/not … 11th line from top at middle
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/6/vers/11?handschrift=204
611 قل say سىروا travel ye of فى in الارض the land ثم thumma/furthermore انظروا observes ye ofIn the ‘original’ of 727 there are the letters meem and nun, which are not in the modern Arabic version.
3rd line from bottom no من min/of as in 720 عنهما about them dual من min/of سوتهما shame theirs dual
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/7/vers/27/handschrift/56
727 لىرىهما to show them dual سوتهما shame theirs dual
722 لهما for them dual سوتهما shame theirs dual
20121 لهما for them dual سوتهما shame theirs dual -
Peace Noon.
Of course all these mistakes that you keep referring back to "original" . What original?
The only original that can verify your case properly is the prophet s copy. Have you got it?
Otherwise you are dealing with copies that have mistakes , all of them, including what you keep calling "original".
GOD bless you.
Peace