Does quran says humans think by heart?
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Peace brother/sister noonwaqalami,thanks for entering the discussion
i agree with some parts of your comment, but at least two problems
1-the problem is inner emotions that are in your chest doesnt make sense
2-at least the author should do something when in a book it says statements like this, at least from somewhere in this book i should know that the author knows that humans think by his brain, see my answer to brother emre blow
peace; chest is never mentioned 132 examples are clear physiological references to "mind/attitude" and likewise with that heart i.e., mindset Qur'an may not be for you; perhaps move on to whatever and the next time you run into basic terms like heartless etc., used in all languages by billions of people you can dismiss them as being dumb while you are "smart" and educated!
https//idioms.thefreedictionary.com/heart
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Peace brother jkhan, you said God knows best and not bunch of scientists..
Yes, for sure God knows best, and according to 2nd part of your statement, as i mentioned earlier you dont need to be a scientist to understand that heart thinks or not, high school education is enough, and even for a person without education, he 100% knows that moving one person heart to another body doesnt change the reciever emotions , if you move joker heart to cinderella, cinderella wont become joker handshake and he certainly knows that people with artifical heart have emotions, unless him/her is denier of truths and facts.
Peace brother hawk
You said are you gonna say that the heart has eyes too? nope and Still not a metaphor? my good brother c'mon handshake
No brother, what their hearts are blind has to to with the heart is center of emotion or not?
When someone say i drinked alochole, and its covered my brain, we understand that 1-this person thinks that he thinks by his brain 2-this drink did something to him/her brain so he cant think and etc,
Same for “their hearts are blind” it means 1-they think by they hearts 2-they hearts cant think, they hearts deny the truth
Peace brother/sister noonwaqalami,thanks for entering the discussion
i agree with some parts of your comment, but at least two problems
1-the problem is inner emotions that are in your chest doesnt make sense
2-at least the author should do something when in a book it says statements like this, at least from somewhere in this book i should know that the author knows that humans think by his brain, see my answer to brother emre blow
Peace brother emre, you said The Qur'an uses folk idioms. For example, in Turkish we say during the night "the sun is sinking"(in English saying "the sun is setting". During the day, we/Turks say "the sun is birthing"(Englishman saying "the sun is shining". Of course, the Qur'an used the folk expressions of the Arabs. This has nothing to do with symbolism, these folk idioms have a clear dictionary meaning. Even a primary school child easily understands what is being said.
Thanks for rejecting your previous statements my dear brother,if this is a folk idiom, then the 9615 and 16 is a folk idiom /experssion . As muhammad asad and others linguists say. And then it means that we cant find anywhere that Quran says that human think by their Brain
No, there it is clearly said that the sinner will be caught by the forelock in front of the forehead. Even if you take it as a folk expression, the action is the same, and even if you don't, the action is the same. The expression that the forehead is sinner is not in the folk idiom.
You are not reading the paragraph in its entirety. Stop relying on other people's statements. Read the Quran.
God Clearly speaking of the brain organ.
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Peace noonwaqalami, you said chest is never mentioned,
أَفَلَمْ يَسِيرُوا۟ فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ فَتَكُونَ لَهُمْ قُلُوبٌۭ يَعْقِلُونَ بِهَآ أَوْ ءَاذَانٌۭ يَسْمَعُونَ بِهَا ۖ فَإِنَّهَا لَا تَعْمَى ٱلْأَبْصَرُ وَلَكِن تَعْمَى ٱلْقُلُوبُ ٱلَّتِى فِى ٱلصُّدُورِ
2246
Isnt sadr=chest ?
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No, there it is clearly said that the sinner will be caught by the forelock in front of the forehead. Even if you take it as a folk expression, the action is the same, and even if you don't, the action is the same. The expression that the forehead is sinner is not in the folk idiom.
You are not reading the paragraph in its entirety. Stop relying on other people's statements. Read the Quran.
God Clearly speaking of the brain organ.
Peace brother, see 1156, it says every دابة have ناصیه ,
Can you kindly explain what is دابه ? Is it not living creature/ animal etc?
Does every animal have ناصیه=brain ?
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Peace brother, see 1156, it says every دابة have ناصیه ,
Can you kindly explain what is دابه ? Is it not living creature/ animal etc?
Does every animal have ناصیه=brain ?
As you can see, paragraph is not talking about the sinner forehead here. But in the verse I gave, it additionally says that the forehead is the part that commits sin.
Here, because you did not read it in its entirety, you do not know and you do not understand the expression.
The result is the same whether you take the verb to catch your forelock as a folk idiom or not. In the paragraph I gave, it is also given the information that the forehead is the part that commits the sin.
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As you can see, paragraph is not talking about the sinner forehead here. But in the verse I gave, it additionally says that the forehead is the part that commits sin.
Here, because you did not read it in its entirety, you do not know and you do not understand the expression.
The result is the same whether you take the verb to catch your forelock as a folk idiom or not. In the paragraph I gave, it is also given the information that the forehead is the part that commits the sin.
Read the Quran
9615 Alas, if he does not cease, We will strike the forelock.
9616 A frontal lobe which lies and errs.
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Peace noonwaqalami, you said chest is never mentioned,
أَفَلَمْ يَسِيرُوا۟ فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ فَتَكُونَ لَهُمْ قُلُوبٌۭ يَعْقِلُونَ بِهَآ أَوْ ءَاذَانٌۭ يَسْمَعُونَ بِهَا ۖ فَإِنَّهَا لَا تَعْمَى ٱلْأَبْصَرُ وَلَكِن تَعْمَى ٱلْقُلُوبُ ٱلَّتِى فِى ٱلصُّدُورِ
2246
Isnt sadr=chest ?
peace, as stated with that attitude and mindset the Qur'an may not be for you.
الصدور l-suduri/the breasts (the seat of one's inner thoughts, feelings, desire, etc.)
3119 قل say موتوا perish ye of بغىظكم in rage yours
ان indeed الله the god علىم knower بذات in what contain الصدور the breasts2246 ولكن and however تعمى blinded القلوب the hearts التى the one فى in الصدور the breasts
941 الم did not نشرح we expand لك for you صدرك sadraka/chest your
942 ووضعنا and remove we of عنك about you وزرك burden your
943 الذى the one انقض pounced ظهرك zahraka/back your
944 ورفعنا and raise we of لك for you ذكرك remembrance your
945 فان so indeed مع with العسر the hardship ىسرا easy of
946 ان indeed مع with العسر the hardship ىسرا easy of
947 فاذا so when of فرغت finished فانصب so focus
948 والى and towards ربك lord your فارغب so have hope10010 وحصل and made apparent ما what فى in الصدور the breasts
1145 الذى the one ىوسوس whispered فى in صدور breasts الناس the people
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Peace Mahdi bro..
Now you are dragging everyone to noman's land..
Quran is very clear that heart has its functions.. Quran never said that heart pumps blood.. Does that mean we don't accept science or the extreme reality that heart pumps blood.. Of course heart pumps blood.. But Quran has given the priority to heart for many human functions.. That you are not in a position to accept..
They may transplant anythjng they want if technology improves.. Perhaps exception brain for that matter entire head.. . If they are capable to do it that would be the ultimate victory of human being...Anyhow let me stick to topic.. I am not someone against sience dude.. And I am not someone who doesn't know what science has done to human life.. Just don't talk blindly as if you are convinced and others not use wits..
Natural heart transplant is being taking place on this earth for years.. And it is to some extent successful.. So that cannot deny the fact what Quran speaks of about heart.. Agree?When it comes to artificial heart transplant it is one of the weakest transplant of body organs.. It us temporary and until any donor gives green signal..
Just go through the procedure.. If you have already then observe well.. We don't see entire 100% of heart is removed during artificial transplant . We never know which part of heart is directly connected with brain for thinking loving emotions and evil etc etc.. Pumping blood is main concerns of doctors while transplanting.. So they do that part successfully.. That's what called weak heart.. Unable to pump blood for various reasons.. That's what doctors trying to rectify.. Not the other functions of entire heart.. Just confirm with animated video or live artificial heart transplant. No it is only part of heart..
Again I reiterate for others .. Heart is not brain in Quran... Heart is an organ which is situated in left side of one's chest...lol.. If one says that is not what Allah meant by qalb then I doubt what else he would understand by QURAN..
Allah has not given any human being two hearts.. Agree? So one.. But when it comes to brain we definitely have two brains atleast but science may say two to four.. So.. Heart is the one Allah talks about which is one qalb ..Quran says they speak from their mouth as believers but belief is not yet reached to their hearts...
So what helps to speak.. Of course brain commands.. But what makes you determined and full of intent. That's heart..
Quran says Allah won't mind what you just say but Allah definitly mind what our hearts intend. -
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Peace brother hawk
You said are you gonna say that the heart has eyes too? nope and Still not a metaphor? my good brother c'mon handshake
No brother, what their hearts are blind has to to with the heart is center of emotion or not?
When someone say i drinked alochole, and its covered my brain, we understand that 1-this person thinks that he thinks by his brain 2-this drink did something to him/her brain so he cant think and etc,
Same for “their hearts are blind” it means 1-they think by they hearts 2-they hearts cant think, they hearts deny the truth
I like you brother you should be a dance instructor, you are all over the place. How could you
misquote 4226How can you say this
No brother, what their hearts are blind has to to with the heart is center of emotion or not?When the ayat says
So, have they not traveled through the earth and have hearts by which to reason and ears by which to hear?
For indeed, it is not eyes that are blinded, but blinded are the hearts which are within the breasts.} (Quran 2246)Reason brother not emotion as you have erroneously stated. hmm have you studied 37 yet?
God bless you
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Peace jkhan, yes sure, in the most common type of artificial heart , atriums arent mechanical, i mean atriums are natural atriums. But that doesnt mean that atriums thinks or have emotions, otherwise as i said the cinderella would become joker rotfl , go ask a doctor ,what will happen if someones limbic system injured in in car crash and etc, i am not here to know that heart think or not. If this is your goal or someone else goal , go study reliable books.
U said But when it comes to brain we definitely have two brains atleast but science may say two to four
What!!?!!??? From where u heard that we have two to four brains!!??? rotfl rotfl yay
My dear brother are you kidding me?Peace emre, can your clear that what is ناصیه according to you??
Peace noon, so according to your translation 2246 means but blind are your minds which is in your center of thoughts?
I never rejected that it can mean this, but for me its seems that the author really thinks mind=heart center of emotions=chest, because function of brain and even for word it i think never mentioned in Quran, there isnt any clue to know that the author used this experssions in the same way we use it today.(i mentioned it earlier in my 2nd comment about your comment i think), thats why people like brother jkhan and brother good logic and so many other people says that quran says people really think by their heart,
Peace hawk, thanks for correcting my mistake, when i was writing that comment you mentioned. I just read noon comment, and somehow i wrongly write it,
i correct it No brother, what their hearts are blind has to to with the heart is center of thinking or not?
Yes brother, i have read 37, it is poorest logic to say when a verse is A or B then its mutashabbeh and we shouldnt
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Peace Mahdi.
You are saying that Our hearts are vital organs, but the association between heart and mind is best left to metaphor only, not real life.
From what I gather here most are saying the same as you.
Of course the brain does the thinking ,in the case of both the artificial and real heart. What some scientist are saying is that the real heart can influence the thinking of the brain.
What happens if in the future some brain transplant takes place? Do you think the function will be equal to the real brain?Yet the body may survive and does certain tasks?Qoran also says we are two in one body.. You and your companion.Has science discovered the soul inside the body? Or do you think it is only a metaphor?
Sience has a lot to do to comprehend our creation and the role of our mind.
GOD bless you.
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Peace good logic
U said What some scientist are saying is that the real heart can influence the thinking of the brain.
Some scientists?! I dont agree with some, all “true” scientists know that heart influence thinking of brain, same as our other organs brother. If i kick into someone leg and he/she cries, it doesnt means that we think with our leg.
U said Qoran also says we are two in one body.. You and your companion.Has science discovered the soul inside the body? Or do you think it is only a metaphor?
Can you provide the verse brother i need to study it before commenting about this
Yes brother the science is developing, but this is proven that we doesnt think with our heart, if someone in a book says that humans think by their hairs, its not correct to say that science is developing and this may be true. Same for heart
God bless you.
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Peace Mahdi.
Yes I know you are saying like this
https//morgridge.org/blue-sky/how-does-our-brain-think/#~text=In%20order%20for%20your%20brain%20to%20think%2C%20you,the%20fundamental%20physical%20basis%20for%20how%20thinking%20works.And I agree
But how do you know that this is a lie?
https//www.learning-mind.com/the-human-heart-mind/Send me your proof that it is a lie
GOD bless you.
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Peace , havent i answered things you have quoted from this article before? Anyways if i didnt(which i did) as i said, if you want to learn, go study. i didnt made this topic to convince the people that heart thinks or not.
U said Qoran also says we are two in one body.. You and your companion.Has science discovered the soul inside the body? Or do you think it is only a metaphor
I asked from you to kindly give this verse in quran so i study it, but i think you forgot, so i ask again brother, please send it
Peace
Notealso i didnt said that this article is 100% lie, it has flaws, and parts of it which is correct hasnt anything to do with thinking. peace
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Read the Quran
9615 Alas, if he does not cease, We will strike the forelock.
9616 A frontal lobe which lies and errs.
Verse 9616 makes the final point by giving additional information here. The thinking organ is at forehead level. It is the brain.
Peace
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Salam!
ق ل ب is a root word originally meaning "turn a thing upside down", "change direction", "turn it about to it's face and back", "turn inside out", "change condition".
It is a process by which we can observe a thing or a matter from all angles and as a result get some knowledge or make a decision. So the word قلب can be translated as "intellect" or "الفھم". It can also be translated as Heart, which is not common in English, now.Merriam Webster Dictionary
HEART
3 (a) PERSONALITY, DISPOSITION
a cold heart
(b) obsolete INTELLECT
Definition of intellect
1a the power of knowing as distinguished from the power to feel and to will the capacity for knowledge
b the capacity for rational or intelligent thought especially when highly developedExample translation
يَخَافُونَ يَوْمًۭا تَتَقَلَّبُ فِيهِ ٱلْقُلُوبُ وَٱلْأَبْصَٰرُ )2437)
They are afraid of a day upturns their intellect and the sight.Peace!
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Peace Mahdi.
some verses you asked for
527
ألَّذِى أَحْسَنَ كُلَّ شَىْءٍ خَلَقَهُ وَبَدَأَ خَلْقَ الْإِنْسَانِ مِن طِينٍ * ثُمَّ جَعَلَ نَسْلَهُ مِن سُلاَلَةٍ مِّن مَّآءٍ مَّهِينٍ * ثُمَّ سَوَّاهُ وَنَفَخَ فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِهِ وَجَعَلَ لَكُمُ السَّمَعَ وَالْأَبْصَارَ وَ الْأَفْئِدَةَ قَلِيلاً مَّا تَشْكُرُونَ
1785
وَيَسْئَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ قُلِ الرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّى وَمَآ أُوتِيتُم مِّنَ الْعِلْمِ إِلَّا قَلِيلاً
2;28
كَيْفَ تَكْفُرُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَكُنتُمْ أَمْوَاتًا فَأَحْيَاكُمْ ۖ ثُمَّ يُمِيتُكُمْ ثُمَّ يُحْيِيكُمْ ثُمَّ إِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَIs bringing back the dead at the moment a scientific fact? No,
For me ,the heart is another word USED for centre of intellect and THAT FITS IN THE VERSES WITHOUT CONTRADICTION OR LOOKING FOR LITERAL MEANING.
However, our knowledge is limited and science is still in discovery mode. That is all I am trying to tell you.
GOD bless you.
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Peace brother hawk, there isnt any sign to take this as metaphor
Peace brother emre, so you say ناصیه in quran is actual forehead or frontal lobe? Then as i said its false, cuz every دابه has not ناصیه (if ناصیه is literally, and not symbolic/experssion)
Peace brother tellmethereuth, thanks for entering the discusuuon, what is the sadr(صدر)meaning in your opinion?
Peace brother good logic, i dont understand how the verse you have sent is in opposite to science?
كَيْفَ تَكْفُرُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَكُنتُمْ أَمْوَاتًا فَأَحْيَاكُمْ ۖ ثُمَّ يُمِيتُكُمْ ثُمَّ يُحْيِيكُمْ ثُمَّ إِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ
We all were death/lifeless(we were for sure from male and female gamete , arent we?) what are these cells has created from? They arent created at the result, and from the foods our parents ate? , once we were no more than seperated atoms, we became human, we will die and we will be seperated atoms again, then we will be a living thing again, and we will meet God, how this is opposite to science? (And its better to say that in the beginning we were nothing, then atoms and go on.)
And i dont understand what 527 and 1785 is opposite to science? (Unless about its heart part which is under discussion here)
U said However, our knowledge is limited and science is still in discovery mode. That is all I am trying to tell you.
GOD bless you.I know that what you tell brother,
But just answer me, if i come to you and say that human thinks by their fingers What you would say? You will say its false? Or you will say that science is still in discovery mode and it may be correct?
Sorry for bad grammars and typos, its late here… o
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Verse 9616 makes the final point by giving additional information here. The thinking organ is at forehead level. It is the brain.
Peace
Verse 9616 makes the final point by giving additional information here. The thinking organ is at forehead level.
The thinking organ in living beings referred to in this verse is called the brain. Pretty clear and precise. And it is clear who these creatures are. This verse says that the organs of thinking in creatures created for testing are at forehead level.
In short, the Qur'an clearly states that the thinking organ is the brain.
