Does quran says humans think by heart?
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Peace Mahdi bro..
Now you are dragging everyone to noman's land..
Quran is very clear that heart has its functions.. Quran never said that heart pumps blood.. Does that mean we don't accept science or the extreme reality that heart pumps blood.. Of course heart pumps blood.. But Quran has given the priority to heart for many human functions.. That you are not in a position to accept..
They may transplant anythjng they want if technology improves.. Perhaps exception brain for that matter entire head.. . If they are capable to do it that would be the ultimate victory of human being...Anyhow let me stick to topic.. I am not someone against sience dude.. And I am not someone who doesn't know what science has done to human life.. Just don't talk blindly as if you are convinced and others not use wits..
Natural heart transplant is being taking place on this earth for years.. And it is to some extent successful.. So that cannot deny the fact what Quran speaks of about heart.. Agree?When it comes to artificial heart transplant it is one of the weakest transplant of body organs.. It us temporary and until any donor gives green signal..
Just go through the procedure.. If you have already then observe well.. We don't see entire 100% of heart is removed during artificial transplant . We never know which part of heart is directly connected with brain for thinking loving emotions and evil etc etc.. Pumping blood is main concerns of doctors while transplanting.. So they do that part successfully.. That's what called weak heart.. Unable to pump blood for various reasons.. That's what doctors trying to rectify.. Not the other functions of entire heart.. Just confirm with animated video or live artificial heart transplant. No it is only part of heart..
Again I reiterate for others .. Heart is not brain in Quran... Heart is an organ which is situated in left side of one's chest...lol.. If one says that is not what Allah meant by qalb then I doubt what else he would understand by QURAN..
Allah has not given any human being two hearts.. Agree? So one.. But when it comes to brain we definitely have two brains atleast but science may say two to four.. So.. Heart is the one Allah talks about which is one qalb ..Quran says they speak from their mouth as believers but belief is not yet reached to their hearts...
So what helps to speak.. Of course brain commands.. But what makes you determined and full of intent. That's heart..
Quran says Allah won't mind what you just say but Allah definitly mind what our hearts intend. -
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Peace brother hawk
You said are you gonna say that the heart has eyes too? nope and Still not a metaphor? my good brother c'mon handshake
No brother, what their hearts are blind has to to with the heart is center of emotion or not?
When someone say i drinked alochole, and its covered my brain, we understand that 1-this person thinks that he thinks by his brain 2-this drink did something to him/her brain so he cant think and etc,
Same for “their hearts are blind” it means 1-they think by they hearts 2-they hearts cant think, they hearts deny the truth
I like you brother you should be a dance instructor, you are all over the place. How could you
misquote 4226How can you say this
No brother, what their hearts are blind has to to with the heart is center of emotion or not?When the ayat says
So, have they not traveled through the earth and have hearts by which to reason and ears by which to hear?
For indeed, it is not eyes that are blinded, but blinded are the hearts which are within the breasts.} (Quran 2246)Reason brother not emotion as you have erroneously stated. hmm have you studied 37 yet?
God bless you
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Peace jkhan, yes sure, in the most common type of artificial heart , atriums arent mechanical, i mean atriums are natural atriums. But that doesnt mean that atriums thinks or have emotions, otherwise as i said the cinderella would become joker rotfl , go ask a doctor ,what will happen if someones limbic system injured in in car crash and etc, i am not here to know that heart think or not. If this is your goal or someone else goal , go study reliable books.
U said But when it comes to brain we definitely have two brains atleast but science may say two to four
What!!?!!??? From where u heard that we have two to four brains!!??? rotfl rotfl yay
My dear brother are you kidding me?Peace emre, can your clear that what is ناصیه according to you??
Peace noon, so according to your translation 2246 means but blind are your minds which is in your center of thoughts?
I never rejected that it can mean this, but for me its seems that the author really thinks mind=heart center of emotions=chest, because function of brain and even for word it i think never mentioned in Quran, there isnt any clue to know that the author used this experssions in the same way we use it today.(i mentioned it earlier in my 2nd comment about your comment i think), thats why people like brother jkhan and brother good logic and so many other people says that quran says people really think by their heart,
Peace hawk, thanks for correcting my mistake, when i was writing that comment you mentioned. I just read noon comment, and somehow i wrongly write it,
i correct it No brother, what their hearts are blind has to to with the heart is center of thinking or not?
Yes brother, i have read 37, it is poorest logic to say when a verse is A or B then its mutashabbeh and we shouldnt
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Peace Mahdi.
You are saying that Our hearts are vital organs, but the association between heart and mind is best left to metaphor only, not real life.
From what I gather here most are saying the same as you.
Of course the brain does the thinking ,in the case of both the artificial and real heart. What some scientist are saying is that the real heart can influence the thinking of the brain.
What happens if in the future some brain transplant takes place? Do you think the function will be equal to the real brain?Yet the body may survive and does certain tasks?Qoran also says we are two in one body.. You and your companion.Has science discovered the soul inside the body? Or do you think it is only a metaphor?
Sience has a lot to do to comprehend our creation and the role of our mind.
GOD bless you.
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Peace good logic
U said What some scientist are saying is that the real heart can influence the thinking of the brain.
Some scientists?! I dont agree with some, all “true” scientists know that heart influence thinking of brain, same as our other organs brother. If i kick into someone leg and he/she cries, it doesnt means that we think with our leg.
U said Qoran also says we are two in one body.. You and your companion.Has science discovered the soul inside the body? Or do you think it is only a metaphor?
Can you provide the verse brother i need to study it before commenting about this
Yes brother the science is developing, but this is proven that we doesnt think with our heart, if someone in a book says that humans think by their hairs, its not correct to say that science is developing and this may be true. Same for heart
God bless you.
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Peace Mahdi.
Yes I know you are saying like this
https//morgridge.org/blue-sky/how-does-our-brain-think/#~text=In%20order%20for%20your%20brain%20to%20think%2C%20you,the%20fundamental%20physical%20basis%20for%20how%20thinking%20works.And I agree
But how do you know that this is a lie?
https//www.learning-mind.com/the-human-heart-mind/Send me your proof that it is a lie
GOD bless you.
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Peace , havent i answered things you have quoted from this article before? Anyways if i didnt(which i did) as i said, if you want to learn, go study. i didnt made this topic to convince the people that heart thinks or not.
U said Qoran also says we are two in one body.. You and your companion.Has science discovered the soul inside the body? Or do you think it is only a metaphor
I asked from you to kindly give this verse in quran so i study it, but i think you forgot, so i ask again brother, please send it
Peace
Notealso i didnt said that this article is 100% lie, it has flaws, and parts of it which is correct hasnt anything to do with thinking. peace
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Read the Quran
9615 Alas, if he does not cease, We will strike the forelock.
9616 A frontal lobe which lies and errs.
Verse 9616 makes the final point by giving additional information here. The thinking organ is at forehead level. It is the brain.
Peace
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Salam!
ق ل ب is a root word originally meaning "turn a thing upside down", "change direction", "turn it about to it's face and back", "turn inside out", "change condition".
It is a process by which we can observe a thing or a matter from all angles and as a result get some knowledge or make a decision. So the word قلب can be translated as "intellect" or "الفھم". It can also be translated as Heart, which is not common in English, now.Merriam Webster Dictionary
HEART
3 (a) PERSONALITY, DISPOSITION
a cold heart
(b) obsolete INTELLECT
Definition of intellect
1a the power of knowing as distinguished from the power to feel and to will the capacity for knowledge
b the capacity for rational or intelligent thought especially when highly developedExample translation
يَخَافُونَ يَوْمًۭا تَتَقَلَّبُ فِيهِ ٱلْقُلُوبُ وَٱلْأَبْصَٰرُ )2437)
They are afraid of a day upturns their intellect and the sight.Peace!
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Peace Mahdi.
some verses you asked for
527
ألَّذِى أَحْسَنَ كُلَّ شَىْءٍ خَلَقَهُ وَبَدَأَ خَلْقَ الْإِنْسَانِ مِن طِينٍ * ثُمَّ جَعَلَ نَسْلَهُ مِن سُلاَلَةٍ مِّن مَّآءٍ مَّهِينٍ * ثُمَّ سَوَّاهُ وَنَفَخَ فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِهِ وَجَعَلَ لَكُمُ السَّمَعَ وَالْأَبْصَارَ وَ الْأَفْئِدَةَ قَلِيلاً مَّا تَشْكُرُونَ
1785
وَيَسْئَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ قُلِ الرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّى وَمَآ أُوتِيتُم مِّنَ الْعِلْمِ إِلَّا قَلِيلاً
2;28
كَيْفَ تَكْفُرُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَكُنتُمْ أَمْوَاتًا فَأَحْيَاكُمْ ۖ ثُمَّ يُمِيتُكُمْ ثُمَّ يُحْيِيكُمْ ثُمَّ إِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَIs bringing back the dead at the moment a scientific fact? No,
For me ,the heart is another word USED for centre of intellect and THAT FITS IN THE VERSES WITHOUT CONTRADICTION OR LOOKING FOR LITERAL MEANING.
However, our knowledge is limited and science is still in discovery mode. That is all I am trying to tell you.
GOD bless you.
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Peace brother hawk, there isnt any sign to take this as metaphor
Peace brother emre, so you say ناصیه in quran is actual forehead or frontal lobe? Then as i said its false, cuz every دابه has not ناصیه (if ناصیه is literally, and not symbolic/experssion)
Peace brother tellmethereuth, thanks for entering the discusuuon, what is the sadr(صدر)meaning in your opinion?
Peace brother good logic, i dont understand how the verse you have sent is in opposite to science?
كَيْفَ تَكْفُرُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَكُنتُمْ أَمْوَاتًا فَأَحْيَاكُمْ ۖ ثُمَّ يُمِيتُكُمْ ثُمَّ يُحْيِيكُمْ ثُمَّ إِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ
We all were death/lifeless(we were for sure from male and female gamete , arent we?) what are these cells has created from? They arent created at the result, and from the foods our parents ate? , once we were no more than seperated atoms, we became human, we will die and we will be seperated atoms again, then we will be a living thing again, and we will meet God, how this is opposite to science? (And its better to say that in the beginning we were nothing, then atoms and go on.)
And i dont understand what 527 and 1785 is opposite to science? (Unless about its heart part which is under discussion here)
U said However, our knowledge is limited and science is still in discovery mode. That is all I am trying to tell you.
GOD bless you.I know that what you tell brother,
But just answer me, if i come to you and say that human thinks by their fingers What you would say? You will say its false? Or you will say that science is still in discovery mode and it may be correct?
Sorry for bad grammars and typos, its late here… o
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Verse 9616 makes the final point by giving additional information here. The thinking organ is at forehead level. It is the brain.
Peace
Verse 9616 makes the final point by giving additional information here. The thinking organ is at forehead level.
The thinking organ in living beings referred to in this verse is called the brain. Pretty clear and precise. And it is clear who these creatures are. This verse says that the organs of thinking in creatures created for testing are at forehead level.
In short, the Qur'an clearly states that the thinking organ is the brain.
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Peace Mahdi.
So you realise that science may be telling us the make up of the brain- we do know that the brain is involved in our thinking- but it is not answering the main question
How do we think?We can correlate brain activity with thinking, but we are a long way from fully answering this question.This is known as the problem of ‘intentionality’.
As for ,quote
"? (And its better to say that in the beginning we were nothing, then atoms and go on.)"You mean we know how atoms are created in the first place? And how life forms in us? SHOW WHERE IS THIS SCIENCE?
Coming back to the heart in the verses of Qoran,I understand it to be the heart/centre of our mind/intelligence/reasoning/intentions/ making decisions... in us . Not the heart of the body.
GOD bless you.
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Salam to all
My brothers, what if later they come discover that both the heart and brain thinks.
I believe maybe we haven't reached yet this discovery
Quran talks about the ants talking
An-Naml 2718
حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَآ أَتَوْا۟ عَلَىٰ وَادِ ٱلنَّمْلِ قَالَتْ نَمْلَةٌ يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّمْلُ ٱدْخُلُوا۟ مَسَٰكِنَكُمْ لَا يَحْطِمَنَّكُمْ سُلَيْمَٰنُ وَجُنُودُهُۥ وَهُمْ لَا يَشْعُرُونَ
Until, when they came upon the valley of the ants, an ant said, "O ants, enter your dwellings that you not be crushed by Solomon and his soldiers while they perceive not."
Just recently did the scientists discover this phenomenon.
https//www.science.org/content/article/shhh-ants-are-talking
This is my ten cent comment
God bless all
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@Mahdi..
Stick to point dear...
Don't give examples which has no sense.. We have a concerned organ and named organ in Quran that is heart.. That's why we raise questions.. Not the fingers.. How nonsensical to point out fingers here as example.. Totally irrelevant.. We didn't pick at random an organ and claiming it has certain features and functions.. We directly refer what Quran says..@GL
Even you or anyone takes the qalb as intellect, it won't work out.. Then where does the intellect originate? Is it from Heart OR brain..?
Again read all heart verses.. It may give all of you some crucial viewpoint..Science is ever evolving.. They never make their final decison.. They keep researching.. That's why I never compare quran with science.. It is a personal choice.. Accepting God in life is personal choice and thus believing in Quran augments it.. This belief cannot go further if you drag science with you..
One day in my office what human created made our life much comfortable than what God created.. Without human's creations and technology science life would be so hard.. That looks true if you look at in an angle....
Science and belief won't go side by side..
Coz this faith in God is unseen.. Believing in an unseen can never go in line with science..One would respond to God's challenge.. Can they even create a fly?.. But human has created much better than flies and useful.. Robotic birds and animals are so cute.. So if one want to compare they would say humam also can create..
Science is human's discovery.. Great invention.. Don't underestimate them.. But never compare Gods hidden truth with it.. Coz science will overtake your belief.. That sucks I'm the end..Belief is unseen.. Coz it is a personal requirement in one's life and it eases emptiness in life.. It makes ones life meaningful to live with hope..
Try to look in natural eyes as well not in on scientific eyes always..
For example.. I saw a huge fish tail.. Scientist would say.. No.. It is a mammal tail.. It is whale..
I saw some big birds flying in the distance horizon.. .. No they are bats.. Some mammals flying..Trust science.. If you have knowledge on it.. If you have verified.. Fine.. No issues.. Suppose one would say there is a brain in stomach.. New research has found.. Just don't accept all of a sudden.. Just study and verify.. Who knows there may be..
You can't accept Quran until science proves it is right.. It would be too late..
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Salam everyone, I hope that all of you are healthy
When i was reading quran, i noticed that in all of the quran thinking is related to heart(qalb) not brain, above all the 2246 says that this qalb are in chests(sadr) what is the explanation here? Does it means that Quran says that source of thinking is heart?(which is not) the answers in internet arent convincing, some of them says that Science is wrong and quran is correct and we dont accept the science ,and some of them copy pasted an article that says heart have 40000 neurons and it can think(honestly if you show this article to any medical doctor or college professor she/he will just laugh to you)
I hope that you guys can help about the meaning
Thanks, peace
Peace Good logic..
Since Mahdi has brought the verse 2246. Let's consider grammar in 2246 .. According corpus.quran ..heart is feminine.. If we take it as something else like knowledge or intellect or whatever then does the grammar suit to it..
Coz it continues as Bi-Ha (with it /feminine) and allathi / feminine... If you don't take it literally you all have to answer many more questions based on Quran.. -
Peace jkhan.
I am not eliminating anything . I am simply saying the verses make complete sense using "heart" as a metaphor of anything, As the most important part that keeps it alive .
i.e the heart of the mind keeps our mind ticking/alive ,our intelligence ticking ...etc
One is not walking as a dead zombie. i.e dead mind/intelligence ...etc But with a Seeing, hearing and thinking heart .
I know science has not proved a lot of things about the real heart like I explained in my posts.
GOD bless you.
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Peace jkhan.
I am not eliminating anything . I am simply saying the verses make complete sense using "heart" as a metaphor of anything, As the most important part that keeps it alive .
i.e the heart of the mind keeps our mind ticking/alive ,our intelligence ticking ...etc
One is not walking as a dead zombie. i.e dead mind/intelligence ...etc But with a Seeing, hearing and thinking heart .
I know science has not proved a lot of things about the real heart like I explained in my posts.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace brother GL..
I don't know what to say and what not to say... Your explanation is so ambiguous.. Either you didn't get what Quran says when it comes to heart or you are just stuck in this topic and still persisting...
Or else you forgot the meaning of mataphore to be exact.. Or else I am not good enough to grasp your metaphorical replies..
Anyhow I have no further comments on your above statement..
Always welcome robust answers from you lovely brother.. ..
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Peace good logic, no, now we doesnt know how atoms were created first,but may we will in future, as science develop( i hope that you doesnt compare this with thinking of heart yay at finding this is not the job of biology/medicine
Peace centi50, thanks for entering the discussion
U said My brothers, what if later they come discover that both the heart and brain thinks.
I believe maybe we haven't reached yet this discovery
Answered this so many times in this topic
U said An-Naml 2718
حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَآ أَتَوْا۟ عَلَىٰ وَادِ ٱلنَّمْلِ قَالَتْ نَمْلَةٌ يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّمْلُ ٱدْخُلُوا۟ مَسَٰكِنَكُمْ لَا يَحْطِمَنَّكُمْ سُلَيْمَٰنُ وَجُنُودُهُۥ وَهُمْ لَا يَشْعُرُونَ
Until, when they came upon the valley of the ants, an ant said, "O ants, enter your dwellings that you not be crushed by Solomon and his soldiers while they perceive not."
Just recently did the scientists discover this phenomenon.
https//www.science.org/content/article/shhh-ants-are-talking
I havent read your article , but yes, animals communicate/talk with each other in various types.
Also in this verse naml isnt ant, if solomon would be able to hear animals and etc, he would get serious mentall diseases and he would die(imagine hearing 100000 animals voice 24hrs , all day)
Peace jkhan
U said Don't give examples which has no sense.. We have a concerned organ and named organ in Quran that is heart.. That's why we raise questions.. Not the fingers.. How nonsensical to point out fingers here as example.. Totally irrelevant.. We didn't pick at random an organ and claiming it has certain features and functions.. We directly refer what Quran says..
I was just trying to sense if thinking by fingers is funny and false in common view, thinking with heart is also funny for a person with basic knowledge of heart and brain Anatomy and Physiology
U said Science is ever evolving.. They never make their final decison.. They keep researching.. That's why I never compare quran with science.. It is a personal choice.. Accepting God in life is personal choice and thus believing in Quran augments it.. This belief cannot go further if you drag science with you..
peace peace Answered this so many times, brother, if Iron is metal and isnt nonmetal, you wont say may science evolve and maybe Fe is non metal, will you?
U said One day in my office what human created made our life much comfortable than what God created.. Without human's creations and technology science life would be so hard.. That looks true if you look at in an angle....
Science and belief won't go side by side..
Coz this faith in God is unseen.. Believing in an unseen can never go in line with science..rotfl Think well and you will not put those things in 2 different group(human creation and God creation) , God created creations(humans) and this creations created those creations(which you call human creations) but those are from God, A created B, if there wasnt A then there wouldnt B
U saidOne would respond to God's challenge.. Can they even create a fly?.. But human has created much better than flies and useful.. Robotic birds and animals are so cute.. So if one want to compare they would say humam also can create..
Science is human's discovery.. Great invention.. Don't underestimate them.. But never compare Gods hidden truth with it.. Coz science will overtake your belief.. That sucks I'm the end..Those mechanical birds are cute, but a creating a bee is so much harder than those mechanical birds. Also these mechanical birds wouldnt be here if God didnt created atoms and etc peace
science isnt in battle with God, idk why you think like this(or it is the view that i get from your comments and may i am wrong) if you see so many people of knowledge are atheist and etc, its just the persons mistake.
You also didnt mentioned why u think that we have 2 to 4 brains.
U said Even you or anyone takes the qalb as intellect, it won't work out.. Then where does the intellect originate? Is it from Heart OR brain..?
I agree with you in this case, God bless all of you
