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Inheritance according to Qur?an

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    jkhan
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    No, what I'm saying is very simple.

    In verse 11, the deceased did not leave behind wife/husband.

    In verse 12, the deceased has wife/husband and is alive.

    In verse 176, the deceased has only his brothers/sisters as heirs.

    You mean if I am not mistaken

    411 = both parents deceased

    412 = one spouse either husband or wife alive

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      Emre_1974tr
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      You mean if I am not mistaken

      411 = both parents deceased

      412 = one spouse either husband or wife alive

      In verse 11, there may be parents and their shares are described in this verse(We are talking about the parents/mum, dad of the deceased). But the deceased does not have a wife/husband, that is, his wife/husband died before him.

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        jkhan
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        In verse 11, there may be parents and their shares are described in this verse(We are talking about the parents/mum, dad of the deceased). But the deceased does not have a wife/husband, that is, his wife/husband died before him.

        Let me get some clarification from you for the sake of anyone who didn't get it..

        There is a family..
        David and Linda husband and wife..
        And David and Linda has only one son Adam..
        And David has his parents Mary and Micheal...
        Well David deceased...
        Now David had 10000 USD after all debts etc..
        Let us know how this 10000 USD is devided between Linda, Adam, Mary and Micheal based on 4"11-12?

        Thanks

        Note Additionally...replace Adam with Sofia (as only daughter) and explain..
        And suppose Adam and Sofia both are there and explain pls..

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          Emre_1974tr
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          #880

          Let me get some clarification from you for the sake of anyone who didn't get it..

          There is a family..
          David and Linda husband and wife..
          And David and Linda has only one son Adam..
          And David has his parents Mary and Micheal...
          Well David deceased...
          Now David had 10000 USD after all debts etc..
          Let us know how this 10000 USD is devided between Linda, Adam, Mary and Micheal based on 4"11-12?

          Thanks

          Note Additionally...replace Adam with Sofia (as only daughter) and explain..
          And suppose Adam and Sofia both are there and explain pls..

          Since both the wife and the child are the inheritance here, the 12th verse of Nisaa explains the relevant division (already every sentence of this verse explains what to do if there is a spouse left behind)

          "If you have children, then one-eighth of what is left after the payment of your will and your debt belongs to your wives."

          According to this sentence, if a man leaves behind his wife and has children, only these people can be heirs. The wife gets one eighth of the inheritance and the remaining seven-eighths goes to the child. Even if the deceased has parents or siblings, they cannot get a share in this case.

          Linda gets $1250, Adam gets $8750.

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            jkhan
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            #881

            Since both the wife and the child are the inheritance here, the 12th verse of Nisaa explains the relevant division (already every sentence of this verse explains what to do if there is a spouse left behind)

            "If you have children, then one-eighth of what is left after the payment of your will and your debt belongs to your wives."

            According to this sentence, if a man leaves behind his wife and has children, only these people can be heirs. The wife gets one eighth of the inheritance and the remaining seven-eighths goes to the child. Even if the deceased has parents or siblings, they cannot get a share in this case.

            Linda gets $1250, Adam gets $8750.

            Thank you...
            I do agree..
            But I did ask the basic question... You didn't respond to additional questions.. OK fine.
            Let me continue if you wish keep replying fir better clarity to others..

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              jkhan
              wrote on last edited by
              #882

              There is a family..
              David and Linda husband and wife..
              And David and Linda has two daughters only Sofia and Emily..
              And David has his parents Mary and Micheal...
              Well David deceased...
              Now David had 10000 USD after all debts etc..
              Let us know how this 10000 USD is devided between Linda, Sofia, Emily, Mary and Micheal based on 4"11-12?

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                jkhan
                wrote on last edited by
                #883

                There is a family..
                David and Linda husband and wife..
                And David and Linda has three daughters only Sofia , Emily and Alice..
                And David has his parents Mary and Micheal...
                Well David deceased...
                Now David had 10000 USD after all debts etc..
                Let us know how this 10000 USD is devided between Linda, Sofia, Emily, Alice, Mary and Micheal based on 4"11-12?

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                  jkhan
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #884

                  There is a family..
                  David and Linda husband and wife..
                  And David and Linda has a daughter Sofia ..
                  And David has his parents Mary and Micheal...
                  Well David deceased...
                  Now David had 10000 USD after all debts etc..
                  Let us know how this 10000 USD is devided between Linda, Sofia, Mary and Micheal based on 4"11-12?

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                    jkhan
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #885

                    There is a family..
                    David and Linda husband and wife..
                    And David and Linda has only daughter Sofia ..
                    And Linda has her parents Sabrina and Steve...
                    Well Linda deceased...
                    Now Linda had 10000 USD after all debts etc..
                    Let us know how this 10000 USD is devided between David, Sofia, Sabrina and Steve based on 4"11-12?

                    Why I ask in this way is cuz 411 and 412 should be combined to answer..

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                      Emre_1974tr
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                      #886

                      There is a family..
                      David and Linda husband and wife..
                      And David and Linda has two daughters only Sofia and Emily..
                      And David has his parents Mary and Micheal...
                      Well David deceased...
                      Now David had 10000 USD after all debts etc..
                      Let us know how this 10000 USD is devided between Linda, Sofia, Emily, Mary and Micheal based on 4"11-12?

                      Since the wife remains, verse 12 should be looked at again.

                      Again, only the wife and child can receive a share of the money.

                      Linda gets $1250, Sofia gets $4375, Emily gets $4375 .

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                        Emre_1974tr
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                        #887

                        There is a family..
                        David and Linda husband and wife..
                        And David and Linda has three daughters only Sofia , Emily and Alice..
                        And David has his parents Mary and Micheal...
                        Well David deceased...
                        Now David had 10000 USD after all debts etc..
                        Let us know how this 10000 USD is devided between Linda, Sofia, Emily, Alice, Mary and Micheal based on 4"11-12?

                        Linda $1250 , Sofia $2916,6 , Emily $2916,6 , Alice $2916,6 .

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                          Emre_1974tr
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                          There is a family..
                          David and Linda husband and wife..
                          And David and Linda has a daughter Sofia ..
                          And David has his parents Mary and Micheal...
                          Well David deceased...
                          Now David had 10000 USD after all debts etc..
                          Let us know how this 10000 USD is devided between Linda, Sofia, Mary and Micheal based on 4"11-12?

                          Linda $1250 , Sofia $8750.

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                            Emre_1974tr
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                            #889

                            There is a family..
                            David and Linda husband and wife..
                            And David and Linda has only daughter Sofia ..
                            And Linda has her parents Sabrina and Steve...
                            Well Linda deceased...
                            Now Linda had 10000 USD after all debts etc..
                            Let us know how this 10000 USD is devided between David, Sofia, Sabrina and Steve based on 4"11-12?

                            Why I ask in this way is cuz 411 and 412 should be combined to answer..

                            David $2500 , Sofia $7500.

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                              jkhan
                              wrote on last edited by
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                              Linda $1250 , Sofia $8750.

                              Yes... Thanks..
                              Now people might be wondering in case if not got the verses right. they would question it is mentioned "if only One Daughter ' she gets Half but here the amount is not Half what is explained by brother Emere..
                              Well.. Let me clarify..

                              At least minimum ONE MALE Child + 1 daughter as I said conditional... Both will get half.. Suppose David had Sofia and Adam as children both Sofia and Adam get equal after Linda amount is given.. 8750/2=4375 for each Sofia and Adam and Linda 1250..

                              If David had Adam and two daughters Sofia and Emily.. Then 21 equation apples after Linda's amount is given..
                              8750/4= 2187.5 ..so both Sofia and Emily gets 2187.5 each while Adam gets 4375...

                              • but if Davif had Adam and Sofia, Emily and Alice then 2/3 fir daughters after Linda's portion is given..

                              8750/3=2916.66 ..2916.66 for Adam but Sofia, Emily and Alice gets 5833.33..So Sofia, Emily and Alice gets 1944.44 each..
                              Any objections pls let me know..

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                                jkhan
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                                #891

                                If David had two sons and two daughters then equation is undeniably 21 in favor of male children..
                                Even David had two sons and three daughters equation remains same 21 for male child..

                                Even if David had THREE sons and only ONE daughter equation is 21 in favor of sons..

                                It's all about ONE MALE CHILD..

                                I know those verses are criticized by Arab christians etc vehemently as if these divisions are wrong and unfortunaly conventional Muslims also agree and... Shame..

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                                  jkhan
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                                  But note well if parents are alive and if the deceased has a child gender male parents gets 1/6 each.. Daughters there anyway gets..

                                  So.. I would like ask Emere why parents not got any share? When no parents have given the proportions but if parents there proportions chsnges.. Agree? Or Any objections?

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                                    jkhan
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                                    #893

                                    If parents are alive of the deceased person never neglect them... 411 clarifies..

                                    So let's see below with parents..

                                    If David has one son and one daughter and wife and his both parents then

                                    10000/8 =1250 for wife..
                                    10000/6 =1666.66 for each parent
                                    5416.67/2=2708.33 for each son and daughter
                                    Any objection?

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                                      jkhan
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                                      #894

                                      411
                                      " ... And for one's parents, to each one of them(dual) is a sixth of his if he left child (Walad) ...."

                                      Here walad everywhere on these two verses 411-12 is male child not merely a child.. And God has decided based on male child's presence the proportions.. Even in 412 it doesn't state NO CHILD but it literally states of NO MALE child but definitely they have child or children in the form of daughter.. It doesn't mean no children at all..
                                      Any objection?

                                      Parents do get even deceased has a Male child.. Parents Ofcourse get if daughters only..

                                      Logically ponder how come wife gets and parents don't? Is there a justice? Any objection..

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                                        Emre_1974tr
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                                        If parents are

                                        In your will, you can give as much as you wish to whomever you wish.

                                        But if you die without writing a will, these formulae are to be applied.

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                                          Emre_1974tr
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                                          411
                                          .

                                          Logically ponder how come wife gets and parents don't? Is there a justice? Any objection..

                                          In verse 11 the deceased has no living mate. Therefore, his parents and siblingand receive a share of the inheritance. But if there is a living spousenand and child too, the parents and siblings do not get a share.

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