DO AYATS 5:5 AND 6:146, PRECLUDE THE PIG AS BEING HARAM...?

SwedenMajidah

Salaam Br Jaxal,

Well not I, but other people don't have to be so smart as I am

God is advice us about what can harm us and therefore we should take his advice seriously.

I don't eat red meats only fish and I'm nearly a vegetarian so i think I take God's advice for real.

To eat healthy is a good way.

Peace
Sis Majidah

Jaxal

SaLaM my lovely lovely sis

How many people do you know who eat bad, rotten, smelling, ill-seeming meat?

unknownuser

Raj-ah,

PBM You have no idea what the Last Prophet ate or didn't eat. Where you there in his presence to know for a fact what he ate or didn't eat or are you simply taking the so-called "historical reports" of others as to what he ate or didn't eat? Your conclusion is simply ignorant.

Funny indeed! I asked; can you provide me any Historical evidence that Muslims eat the Pig? or even they discussed about it being Halal or Haram? and you answered I Have No idea. And now you call me Ignorant. roll Wow, just looking at your logic.

History, as many so rightly define it as, is nothing more than agreed upon fiction/opinion/conjecture. If you found out that the Last Prophet did eat pork...would you believe it? If that information did come out others would counter by claiming that that "historical report" is false. So, who would be right? Al-Quran has no doubt in it about what it discusses/provides guidance on. You should endeavor to emulate my logic.

Where you there in his presence to know for a fact what he ate or didn't eat or are you simply taking the so-called "historical reports" of others as to what he ate or didn't eat?

One can assume a lot.

Allah, per ayats 733 and 1736, makes assumption making/opinion making, about Him and and His Deen...haram. Go and read the ayats for yourself.

I have never been to the MOON, I never met Armstrong, but I read What Armstrong tells us. I never met any of Mughal emperors, but I know what they ate, through history.

You don't know, that is, for a fact, any of the above. You simply have come to believe fervently what others have told you about the above, but you don't know for a fact, because you didn't personally witness any of it. Study the following

Say the things that my Lord hath indeed made haram/unlawful are indecencies, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; and that you associate with Allah that for which He has not sent down any authority; and saying things about Allah of which you have no knowledge.

1736 And follow not that of which you have not the knowledge; surely the hearing and the sight and the heart, all of these, shall be questioned about that.

Ayat/proof 378, tell us there will be those among mankind, who will say Allah, His Deen, His Quran, and His Messenger, that which Allah did not say of those subjects. Ayat/proof 733, tells mankind it is haram/forbidden to say anything of Allah with out knowledge And, ayat/proof 1736, warns mankind not to pursue anything of which he has no knowledge.

2844 You were not on the Western side when We decreed the Commission to Moses, nor were you a witness.

2844 Wama kunta bijanibi algharbiyyi ith qadayna ila moosa alamra wama kunta mina ashshahideen.

Main Entry SHAHIDA to be present with that which is witnessed. page 299

Main Entry WITNESS see for oneself one who has personal knowledge of something something serving as evidence or proof.

Main Entry PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE done in person without the intervention of another.

Main EntryRAMA to throw, cast, hit, blame, cast on, charge to speak conjecturally.page 223

Main Entry IMPRESSION a vague idea in which some confidence is placed.

Main Entry OPINION belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge.

Main Entry CONJECTURE supposition inference from defective or presumptive evidence b a conclusion deduced by surmise or guesswork.

From the above ayat/proof and definitions then, when one speaks of a person or an event and was not a witness to either, then, that individual isn't speaking from personal knowledge, hence, cannot be called a shahideen/witness. When an individual relates a story of a person or an event and was not a witness, then that story is...hearsay.

Main Entry HEARSAY EVIDENCE evidence based on what someone has told the witness and not of direct knowledge The evidence of those who relate, not what they know themselves, but what they have heard from others.

When one loses focus of the above ayat and definitions, the following is the result

5328 And they have no knowledge of it; they do not follow anything but conjecture, and surely conjecture does not avail against the truth at all.

6116 And if you obey/follow the majority of those in the earth, they will lead you astray from Allah's way; they follow nothing but conjecture and they only lie.

hmmmmmm a Priest?? How can we be sure there was Jesus?? no existing priest ever met him. Well I think churches should reconsider their induction policy for Priests.

My forum name, Priest Bokmei, has nothing at all to do with Christianity, but with the alleged founder of White Eyebrow/Bok Mei Kung-fu. Your ignorance continues to manifest itself.

unknownuser

PEACE SWEDEN,

I think I must defend Pb here! My understanding is that Pb wants to follow Al-Quran as the only true source, then he can't look in the history books. If you want to be a true believer in God and his scripture then you'll have to study Quran and verify what's in there.

Thank you for your support on this point. Yes, you are correct. Al-Quran, for its purpose, that is, to Guide

Main EntryGUIDANCE/Al-Quran the instructions on how to live a righteous life in this world (especially, not to do shirk) , so that, one may successfuly pass the test of conduct , so that, one may avoid the destiny of Hell and gain the destiny of Paradise .

is the only source of guidance for mankind.

Looking forward to your reply.

unknownuser

PEACE, TO ALL,

Many destitute people around the world, to survive,...eat smelly bad looking things for food. (

Raj-ah

"Forbidden to you (for food) are dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah."

Say, "I do not find in the revelations given to me any food that is prohibited for any eater except (1) carrion, (2) running blood, (3) the meat of pigs, for it is contaminated, and (4) the meat of animals blasphemously dedicated to other than GOD." If one is forced (to eat these), without being deliberate or malicious, then your Lord is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

I have choosed these two verses from the chapters that you quoted, to show you if that is so? what you are trying to propogate than it means there is a claer contradiction in QURAN, but NO that is not the case Dear Priest. For a Muslim above verses are more than enough to believe what Quran is saying clearly but for you and Swedish lady we have to analyze it further.

The priest base his arguments on following verses

For those who are Jewish we prohibited animals with undivided hoofs; and of the cattle and sheep we prohibited the fat, except that which is carried on their backs, or in the viscera, or mixed with bones. That was a retribution for their transgressions, and we are truthful.
55] Today, all good food is made lawful for you. The food of the people of the scripture is lawful for you, *. Also, you may marry the chaste women among the believers, as well as the chaste women among the followers of previous scripture, provided you pay them their due dowries. You shall maintain chastity, not committing adultery, nor taking secret lovers. Anyone who rejects faith, all his work will be in vain, and in the Hereafter he will be with the losers.

and tries to tell us that Swine is not Haram as is clearly mentioned in other verses.
He states

This is my understanding. At the time Al-Quran was being revealed, the species of animal, the pig, was not haram to the People of the Book i.e the Jews

Albion noting the blunder in his statements quickly comes in for his support and with complete dishonesty or ignorance discusses some chapters like mathew of bible and leaves the main issue discussed in Leviticus.

Here are some verses open to discussion for all

"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you".

"Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you."

And then Deutronomy

"And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass."

So wht you say Now? my dear priest.
The translation is from KINGS JAMES of Leviticus and can be checked
It is not from me. wink

Swedish Lady

Salaam all,

I think I must defend Pb here!

Yes; please go on.

SaLaM Raj-ah

Excellent point

THanks JAXAL.

unknownuser

Raj-ah,

"Forbidden to you (for food) are dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah."

Say, "I do not find in the revelations given to me any food that is prohibited for any eater except (1) carrion, (2) running blood, (3) the meat of pigs, for it is contaminated, and (4) the meat of animals blasphemously dedicated to other than GOD." If one is forced (to eat these), without being deliberate or malicious, then your Lord is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

I have choosed these two verses from the chapters that you quoted, to show you if that is so? what you are trying to propogate than it means there is a claer contradiction in QURAN, but NO that is not the case Dear Priest. For a Muslim above verses are more than enough to believe what Quran is saying clearly but for you and Swedish lady we have to analyze it further.

LOL! My Dear Raj-ah, you and the vast majority of the so-called Muslims, continue to, and erroneously so, mistranslate khinzerin as pig and this is why you imagine that I'm in contradiction with Al-Quran.

The priest base his arguments on following verses

For those who are Jewish we prohibited animals with claws/thufur; and of the cattle and sheep we prohibited the fat, except that which is carried on their backs, or in the viscera, or mixed with bones. That was a retribution for their transgressions, and we are truthful.

"Undivided hoof", is gross mistranslation. Thafara, means claws/talons. See

The Dictionary of the Holy Quran, by Omar, pg. 350.
The Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic, by Wehr, pg. 581.
The English-Arabic Translator Dictionary, by Steinglass, pg. 146.

None of these dictionaries translates thafara, as hoof. Look it up for yourself.

Today, all good food is made lawful for you. The food of the people of the scripture is lawful for you, ...

and tries to tell us that Swine is not Haram as is clearly mentioned in other verses. He states

PBM This is my understanding. At the time Al-Quran was being revealed, the species of animal, the pig, was not haram to the People of the Book i.e the Jews.

Albion noting the blunder in his statements quickly comes in for his support and with complete dishonesty or ignorance discusses some chapters like mathew of bible and leaves the main issue discussed in Leviticus.

Here are some verses open to discussion for all

"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you".

"Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you."
(Leviticus 117-

And then Deutronomy "And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass." (Deuteronomy 14

So wht you say Now? my dear priest.
The translation is from KINGS JAMES of Leviticus and can be checked
It is not from me. wink

LOL! What say I, you ask? Let me ask you the following

Is Al-Quran the The Book of Guidance for mankind or is the Torah the Book of Guidance for mankind or...are both Books the Guidance for mankind? If you need a clue, please look at ayat 2185 wink
Is Al-Quran without error or doubt? Is the Torah without error or doubt? Are both Books without error or doubt? Or, do both Books contain error and doubt? Tell us what you...know.
Al-Quran says that...the animals with claws were made haram to the Jews as food, because the Jews transgressed. Now, pigs don't have claws, so, Al-Quran is contradicting the Torah...which do you believe is the true account? They both cannot be the true account.

Swedish Lady Salaam all, I think I must defend Pb here!

Raj-ah Yes; please go on.

Sweden, all praises due to Allah, is beginning to work through the scam.

SaLaM Raj-ah

Excellent point

THanks JAXAL.

Jaxal, has made no points excellent or otherwise.

You are very ignorant of Al-Quran, Raj.

Raj-ah

I am sorry I was out of the town on an official tour for few days.

LOL! What say I, you ask? Let me ask you the following

Well before you ask any question you should answer first, my Dear Priest.

You are very ignorant of Al-Quran, Raj.

Well i am a student only!
But I would have rather taken this statement seriously if someone who has displayed better knowldge of Quran would have said it.

unknownuser

I am sorry I was out of the town on an official tour for few days.

LOL! What say I, you ask? Let me ask you the following

Well before you ask any question you should answer first, my Dear Priest.

You are very ignorant of Al-Quran, Raj.

Well i am a student only!
But I would have rather taken this statement seriously if someone who has displayed better knowldge of Quran would have said it.

My Dear Raj, as I said...you are very ignorant of Al-Quran, hence, you a poor student of it as well.

Now, unless you can refute my analysis of ayats 55 and 6146, relative to swine being halal, as well as, address the following three questions/points, then please refrain from further pestering me, thanks.

Is Al-Quran the The Book of Guidance for mankind or is the Torah the Book of Guidance for mankind or...are both Books the Guidance for mankind? If you need a clue, please look at ayat 2185
Is Al-Quran without error or doubt? Is the Torah without error or doubt? Are both Books without error or doubt? Or, do both Books contain error and doubt? Tell us what you...know.
Al-Quran says that...the animals with claws were made haram to the Jews as food, because the Jews transgressed. Now, pigs don't have claws, so, Al-Quran is contradicting the Torah...which do you believe is the true account? They both cannot be the true account.

loli

Salam PB,

Just want to know ur opinion o 55. It is said that our food is Halal for the Jews. But what if we(followers of the Quran) ate animals with claws? Will our food be Haram to them?

salam

zenje

Peace PB,

Lets not resort to things like this...
...you are very ignorant of Al-Quran, hence, you a poor student of it as well.

unknownuser

PEACE, ZENJE,

Peace PB,

Lets not resort to things like this...
...you are very ignorant of Al-Quran, hence, you a poor student of it as well.

Ignorant, is to be without knowledge of something, what is the problem with saying that? Post after post after post, Jaxal, made one disparaging remark after another.

Why didn't you step in and say "Lets not resort to things like this My misguided brother Priest...my foolish misguided brother...my really foolish misguided brother...Dont post false and ridiculous information like Priest does...Another word which is a compund. NONSENSICAL. This word is comprised of NON - SENSE - ICAL. It means Lacking intelligible meaning a nonsensical jumble of words.. Something like what comes out of PRIEST..

What about Thor Stupid question...Another stupid question...Moronic question...Are you schizophrenic or just plain hypocritical..

I could post more, Zenge. My question is...why the obvious double standard when it comes to me? If you really believe in Allah, then do justice if it is justice you want for yourself.

unknownuser

PEACE, LOLI,

Salam PB,

Just want to know ur opinion o 55. It is said that our food is Halal for the Jews. But what if we(followers of the Quran) ate animals with claws? Will our food be Haram to them?

salam

No, our food wouldn't be haram for them. The Jews were forbidden to eat animals with claws as a punishment for their sins. With the coming of Al-Quran this punishment was lifted, hence, our food is halal for them, in that, animals with claws were never forbidden to us or mankind in general. Was that clear?

Looking forward to your reply.

Jaxal

The Jews were forbidden to eat animals with claws

And pork. I dont know why you keep missing this. But i will just keep reminding you

Raj-ah

My Dear Raj, as I said...you are very ignorant of Al-Quran, hence, you a poor student of it as well.

Now, unless you can refute my analysis of ayats 55 and 6146, relative to swine being halal, as well as, address the following three questions/points, then please refrain from further pestering me, thanks.

Is Al-Quran the The Book of Guidance for mankind or is the Torah the Book of Guidance for mankind or...are both Books the Guidance for mankind? If you need a clue, please look at ayat 2185
Is Al-Quran without error or doubt? Is the Torah without error or doubt? Are both Books without error or doubt? Or, do both Books contain error and doubt? Tell us what you...know.
Al-Quran says that...the animals with claws were made haram to the Jews as food, because the Jews transgressed. Now, pigs don't have claws, so, Al-Quran is contradicting the Torah...which do you believe is the true account? They both cannot be the true account.

Regarding you calling me Ignorant is display of your haughty attitude; you are VICTIM OF YOUR OWN EGO and this is a Physcological problem.

Regarding your questions

1 & 2. Quran surely is the book of guidance for mankind, Torah as Quran says WAS the guidance for man kind, for that particular time, and as the time passed a part of it was corrupted by misinterpretations as they suited the corrupted Rabbi's. Therefore both the books are from common source one has been corrupted to some extent and other is pure.

Look at the following verses and you will find harmony between Quranic Ayats and These scriptures

"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you".

"Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you."
(Leviticus 117-

And then Deutronomy "And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass." (Deuteronomy 14

"Forbidden to you (for food) are dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah."

Say, "I do not find in the revelations given to me any food that is prohibited for any eater except (1) carrion, (2) running blood, (3) the meat of pigs, for it is contaminated, and (4) the meat of animals blasphemously dedicated to other than GOD." If one is forced (to eat these), without being deliberate or malicious, then your Lord is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

LOL! My Dear Raj-ah, you and the vast majority of the so-called Muslims, continue to, and erroneously so, mistranslate khinzerin as pig and this is why you imagine that I'm in contradiction with Al-Quran.

And what is your translation?? if vast majority is wrong because you are basing your whole argument on your own translations and misinterpretations.
It is Laham before the word Khanzeer used.

The answer to question no.3 will be given after you tell us what is the translation of word "Khanzeer" and word "laham" ?? which according to you majority translates it wrong as "swine" and "meat".

KHANZEER in Arabic means pig and full stop.
In Hebrew they call it KHAZEER
LAHAM is flesh.

In your opinion you are trying to do good for Islam but actually you are doing the same thing which Jews did to corrupt Torah by inserting there own transaltions and interpreatations.

The best we can call your posting is a Guess work and that's all.

You have no historical eveidence of what you say
You have no conculsive arguments for what you say
A pure Guess work.

loli

PEACE, LOLI,

Salam PB,

Just want to know ur opinion o 55. It is said that our food is Halal for the Jews. But what if we(followers of the Quran) ate animals with claws? Will our food be Haram to them?

salam

No, our food wouldn't be haram for them. The Jews were forbidden to eat animals with claws as a punishment for their sins. With the coming of Al-Quran this punishment was lifted, hence, our food is halal for them, in that, animals with claws were never forbidden to us or mankind in general. Was that clear?

Looking forward to your reply.

Peace PB

Do you have prove from the Quran to support ur statement I underlined above?

with Regards

unknownuser

RA-JAH,

PBM Now, unless you can refute my analysis of ayats 55 and 6146, relative to swine being halal, as well as, address the following three questions/points, then please refrain from further pestering me, thanks.

Is Al-Quran the The Book of Guidance for mankind or is the Torah the Book of Guidance for mankind or...are both Books the Guidance for mankind? If you need a clue, please look at ayat 2185
Is Al-Quran without error or doubt? Is the Torah without error or doubt? Are both Books without error or doubt? Or, do both Books contain error and doubt? Tell us what you...know.
Al-Quran says that...the animals with claws were made haram to the Jews as food, because the Jews transgressed. Now, pigs don't have claws, so, Al-Quran is contradicting the Torah...which do you believe is the true account? They both cannot be the true account.

Regarding you calling me Ignorant is display of your haughty attitude; you are VICTIM OF YOUR OWN EGO and this is a Physcological problem.

O.k.

Regarding your questions

1 & 2. Quran surely is the book of guidance for mankind, Torah as Quran says WAS the guidance for man kind, for that particular time, and as the time passed a part of it was corrupted by misinterpretations as they suited the corrupted Rabbi's. Therefore both the books are from common source one has been corrupted to some extent and other is pure.

Well, the answer then is...only Al-Quran is the guidance for mankind, because only it is uncorrupted. Now, according to Al-Quran, Allah, only forbade the Jews animals with claws/thufr and the fat of oxen and sheep, except, what adhered to their backs. Now, given that pigs do not have claws, the pig, then, was not one of the haram animals, period. With this in mind then, where do people get the notion that the pig was haram for Jews?

Look at the following verses and you will find harmony between Quranic Ayats and These scriptures

"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you".

"Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you."
(Leviticus 117-

And then Deutronomy "And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass." (Deuteronomy 14

Once again, you are quoting out a corrupted book--the Torah, and taking it as truth. Allah, clearly, in ayat 6146, forbade the Jews animals with claws/THUFR which completely disqualifies the pig from this category of animals. Thufr, does not mean divided hoof, but claw, nail, talon.

"Forbidden to you (for food) are dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah."

Say, "I do not find in the revelations given to me any food that is prohibited for any eater except (1) carrion, (2) running blood, (3) the meat of pigs, for it is contaminated, and (4) the meat of animals blasphemously dedicated to other than GOD." If one is forced (to eat these), without being deliberate or malicious, then your Lord is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

LOL! My Dear Raj-ah, you and the vast majority of the so-called Muslims, continue to, and erroneously so, mistranslate khinzerin as pig and this is why you imagine that I'm in contradiction with Al-Quran.

And what is your translation?? if vast majority is wrong because you are basing your whole argument on your own translations and misinterpretations.
It is Laham before the word Khanzeer used.

The answer to question no.3 will be given after you tell us what is the translation of word "Khanzeer" and word "laham" ?? which according to you majority translates it wrong as "swine" and "meat".

KHANZEER in Arabic means pig and full stop.
In Hebrew they call it KHAZEER
LAHAM is flesh.

You and the others continue to mistranslate khinzeerin, however, it doesn't matter, because ayats 55 and 6146, when taken together, completely destroy any such notion of the pig being haram. You have yet to refute the 55 and 6146 argument which proves the pig was never ahram to Jews or mankind.

In your opinion you are trying to do good for Islam but actually you are doing the same thing which Jews did to corrupt Torah by inserting there own transaltions and interpreatations.

The best we can call your posting is a Guess work and that's all.

You have no historical eveidence of what you say
You have no conculsive arguments for what you say
A pure Guess work.

Please don't confuse me with yourself. It is you, as your "haneefan argument" bore out, who is about pure guess work and opinion...not me. Again, it is you, who is taking corrupted verses from the Torah and CONTRADICTING the uncorrupted Quran...not me. Allah, according to Al-Quran, forbade the Jews animals with claws/thufr, yet, you wish to defy Allah's uncorrupted Quran and take the corrupted Torah account that animals with divided hooves are haram. I ask you again...which account is the truth...Torah or Quran? Pick one.

unknownuser

PEACE, LOLI,

Salam PB,

Just want to know ur opinion o 55. It is said that our food is Halal for the Jews. But what if we(followers of the Quran) ate animals with claws? Will our food be Haram to them?

salam

No, our food wouldn't be haram for them. The Jews were forbidden to eat animals with claws as a punishment for their sins. With the coming of Al-Quran this punishment was lifted, hence, our food is halal for them, in that, animals with claws were never forbidden to us or mankind in general. Was that clear?

Looking forward to your reply.

Peace PB

Do you have prove from the Quran to support ur statement I underlined above?

with Regards

Yes, ayat 55 proves this. It says that our food is lawful to the People of the Book. Now, aren't animals with claws halal for Muslims? If so, then, they are lawful to the People of the Book as well, hence, the prohibition of Jews eating animals with claws, per ayat 55, is lifted. Ayat 7157 also lifts the prohibition of animals with claws

7157 Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel (who) enjoins them good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their burden and the shackles which were upon them; so (as for) those who believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.

Now, were the animals with claws made haram to the Jews because those animals were impure or because they were pure but were made haram as a punishment? The animals with claws, prior to their being made haram as punishment, were halal, otherwise, how could they have been made haram? Ayats 55 and 7157 lifts this burden/shackle--not eating animals with claws, from the Jews.

Ali_Omar

Hi,

Why is it that people continue to talk past each other?

PB has asked whether the Qur?an or the Torah is to be followed.
He believes the answer is the Qur?an, and so do I, and probably many others.
Let us therefore forget the Torah and concentrate on the Qur?an.

The point to concentrate on is whether the word translated as ?pig? only means the animal discussed, or can it mean something in addition to that?

6.145 says that ?khinziirin? is contaminated and because of that we should not eat it, unless one is forced to.

There have been a lot of discussions going on about the contamination of ?swine flesh?. But there are millions of people eating this meat all over the world and they seem to have a bodily health matching that of anyone else.

Any kind of meat becomes contaminated if not treated right, so that can not be it. It must be some contamination existing in the pig that does not exist in any other animals.
Either, this is the case, or the prohibition is not meant for the pig, but something else.

Let us first of all establish whether the word ?khinziirin? can mean something else besides ?swine?.
If it can not, then that is the end of discussion, and many pigs are saved.

If it can, then we must look into what contamination the meat of this animal may have, compared to all other animals.
If this can be found, then, again case closed, and pigs will wish that Muslims conquer the World.

If not, then what are the other possible meanings of the word that may have something to do with meat being unhealthy, or contaminated?

So far, it seems clear, from the Qur?an, that swine is not forbidden for Jews.
Or....................

Anyway, let?s stop running in circles and try to come to some conclusions, please. I believe the question is of grave concern to many.

Best regds

Ali Omar

Jaxal

PBM Now, unless you can refute my analysis of ayats 55 and 6146, relative to swine being halal, as well as, address the following three questions/points, then please refrain from further pestering me, thanks

This has been refuted so many times that now its just a rant from you PB.

Is Al-Quran the The Book of Guidance for mankind or is the Torah the Book of Guidance for mankind or...are both Books the Guidance for mankind? If you need a clue, please look at ayat 2185

Yes, Quran superceding the Torah. If you need a clue, read the verse about refering back to the previous torah.

Is Al-Quran without error or doubt? Is the Torah without error or doubt? Are both Books without error or doubt? Or, do both Books contain error and doubt? Tell us what you...know.

Both Quran and Torah have been altered. Tht is why God asks us to use common sense, something you have completely missed.

Al-Quran says that...the animals with claws were made haram to the Jews as food, because the Jews transgressed. Now, pigs don't have claws, so, Al-Quran is contradicting the Torah...which do you believe is the true account? They both cannot be the true account.

Hence why Quran mentions to mankind not to eat pig. Its enforcing the law (Torah) not contradicting it.

You and the others continue to mistranslate khinzeerin, however, it doesn't matter, because ayats 55 and 6146,

Only for you PB lol Only for you lol

yet, you wish to defy Allah's uncorrupted Quran

The Quran is altered. Maybe you should run back to the fools who put this crap inur head the first place and ask them.

The Torah fobids the pig
The Gospel forbids the pig
The Quran forbids the pig

How many more times iwll you humiliate yourself? lol