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Salaamun alaikum,
I am really enjoying contructive discussion with you. We may never agree on issues but sure I am in the company of learned person who is helping me to increase my knowledge about the message and every day learning meaning of new Arabic words. Thank you MQuran
You give me too much credit there. I'm here to learn as much as anyone. The key thing is to keep stimulating each other with information while continuing to be a good person. If only I had as much humility as Kyle, Wakas or Joe.
Regarding the Prophethood we are discussing here I started reading Sura Aal Imran 3164 but Allah Taala guided me to read the whole Sura and I find very interesting verses. I am not finish with the message only read Sura Aal Imran and An Nissah. I will go through the rest of Qur'an inshaAllah soon.
Notice how Ali-imran builds up to the conflict which is led by the messenger. This is what strenghtens my belief in the need for such a personality. One who keeps inculcating in the believers the message. I honestly don't mind if this guy doesn't call himself a messenger, as long as he acts in the manner al-quraan commands him.
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Salaam MQ,
You saidNotice how Ali-imran builds up to the conflict which is led by the messenger. This is what strenghtens my belief in the need for such a personality. One who keeps inculcating in the believers the message. I honestly don't mind if this guy doesn't call himself a messenger, as long as he acts in the manner al-quraan commands him.
What do you mean!? Are u talking about the surah Al-Imran or the person Ali Imran!?
Peace Sis Maria D
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Salaam MQ,
Hey u are twisting your words brother shock
It was I who didn't understand what u wrote now it is the opposite o
But you did wrote Ali Imran not Al Imran ?
Well Ok SORRY!!!!!!!
Peace Sis Maria
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Salaam MQ,
Well it is written in that Quran I have Al-i-Imran D
Peace Sis Maria
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Salaam Mq,
He he yeah maybe
Peace Sis Maria
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Please we don't want none of that! Now wash your mouth out with soap!!!
I said verbal , old chap. v-e-r-b-a-l !
Still sounds smutty chap! wink
I insist you wash your mouth with soap or your words!!! -)Regards,
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Dear M_Mehdi,
Definitions of ?sect? no. 1 and 3, that you mentioned, fit any humans forming a group of two or more individuals.
For instance, any football team is by these definitions a sect, as they are ?a group of people forming a distinct unit within a larger group by virtue of certain refinements or distinctions of belief or practice?. )
And they are ?a faction united by common interests or beliefs?. )
It also fits a ?double-team? in tennis, and the same in any other team sports. Actually it also goes for individuals in any sports or other activity, as long as the sport/activity has more than one member. lol
The only definition that may be more specific is definition no. 2 which is mentioning a ?religious body?.
All we have to do is to clarify, ?what is religion? and voila, certitude is there, FM is, or is not, a sect as per definition 2.
Maybe you can shed some light on the subject?
Regds
Ali Omar
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I have become fond of the premise of this forum
as have i... )
Very good. But then whats the problem chap? -)
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Hi Mehdi,
welcome back!
was it the T-shirt(free mind one) thing that bothered u? wink leading u to think there is a sect forming? wink
chill Mehdi! half of us or more would run miles away if this was just another new sect.
we are all here to exchange ideas and learn there in.
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The Religion of Allah is no sport... there are no teams...
Have'nt you understood? The concept is that there are 2 opposing teams. There are our team, our boy's and we the good guy's and what we belive is THE TRUTH! Then there is the other team, who are always wrong, and whatever they belive in is foolishness, and the result of brainwashing.
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Dear M_Mehdi,
Glad you could see the analogy with regards to your definitions of sect.
I can understand your point of view if you regard islam as a religion, then every group somehow connected to this religion must be a sect.
As I do not consider islam to be a religion, I fail to see the connection to the expression ?sect? any more than for any other non-religious group of people. ?
But, then again, this depends on the definition of religion, hence my request for clarification as to your definition of religion.You mentioned Sunni which I, most certainly, regard as a religious sect.
It is a group of people blindly following a leader, claiming to represent a magical being, who must be satisfied in order for people?s lives to be good. How to do this is explained by the leader, who can not be questioned. shockHowever, as many of the participants here have been through the experience of one or another of the various religious sects, it is quite natural, when it is discovered that the sects are partly based on distortions of a practical guide for humanity, to try to find out what these distortions are, and to find the real message of this guide and see if it tallies with the reality of life.
This leads to comparisons with the various developing new understandings and the old religious understanding, therefore the many references to, among others, the Sunni religion.Most people here have found that the quran seems to withstand any scrutiny, and therefore are, more or less, convinced that the guide is genuine and a source for us to find our way through life in a best possible manner.
I can not speak for others here, but to me the God is not a being, sitting on cloud number nine , controlling us as per his whims and mood swings.
Now, I would like your view on this thing called religion, because I can not see that the God is a deity waiting to be worshipped, nor that islam is a religion.
Regards
Ali Omar
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Peace Ali Omar,
Now, I would like your view on this thing called religion, because I can not see that the God is a deity waiting to be worshipped, nor that islam is a religion.
please, what words do you relate "religion" to
-belief in a divine power
-bond between humans and God
-study about the spirit, soul, universe
-faith, worship, practices, books
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LoteTree and peacefulmuslim, salam.
Lote, there is no problem.. there is nothing wrong with questioning..Mehdi, I think I understand you now wink
Regards,
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Dear Elena,
How should I put it.... hmm
Blind belief in a divine being, based on conjecture.
Not belief due to any kind of evidence, but totally blind belief.
Not a divine power, but a divine being.
Not facts but fiction put forth by other humans.
Magic and superstition are indispensable ingredients.Just from the top of my head. )
Regds
Ali Omar