How Many Wives, can You have according to Quran?

unknownuser

Salam Ahmed,

Doesn't an orphan has neither father nor mother? So how can he marry a women with orphans?

Salam
warda

peace sister warda

as far as a i believe an orphan can be classified as any chiild who lost any of the parents

the point here sister, what the father give is differnet to what the mother give they complete each other, a child needs both father and mother to be raised in a healthy enviroment

so if a child does not have a father but have a mother, the child is orphaned, and the other way around, if the child has father but lost his mother

the verse was revealed after Auhud battle where a lot oif muslim men dies and left orphaned to be cared by single mothers

now I can take an oath on myself to help this mother and her orphans by giving them a monthly payment of similar, the problem here is this sister

i might forget one month, or I might run low in cash and prefer that my pown children have the money instead of strangers, and this is when the unjust may be feared to happen and consequently I see Allah advicing us to marry their mothers which sure will make them exactly like my children and if I'm a reasionable man then they will be treated, loved and cared for exactly like my children, especially their mother has become my wife

the Quran is very high on caring for the orphans, and truly I see marrying other women to care for the orphans os a ligitimate cause for polygamy

I can't see it as an issue that is totally up to the man if he wants to marry any other woman, Allah didn't create women for the fun of men or to be abused by men, they are absolutely equal in the sight of Allah and they will differ in how they humble to Allah

Allah knows best

Jaxal

SaLaM ichephren

When a man divorces, isnt he allowed to marry again? Or if his wife dies, isnt he allowed to marry again? That is what i mean. 4 wives like that. not at the same time.

unknownuser

Peace jaxal

your logic does not make sense, if you mean one wife at a time

because if this is the case then there should not be an upper limit, I can marry a hundered as long as one at a time then divorce her

the verse is obvious bro that up to 4 wives at the same time, it is obvious from the upper limit that was inforced

I also believe any capable man can satisfy more than 4 women one at a time so the upper limit is not a restriction for the sake of just we have an upper limit

I believe there is a great wisdom in forcing an upper limit, let's consider the following logic

we will assume that the verse means to marry up to four at once and each wive of the additional wives MUST have orphans
let's assume for argument sake that each will have 1 to 2 orphans
this means this man who wants to care for those orphans will end up with between 4 to 8 orphans to care for, don't froget that this husband may get a child of his own from each wife, that is another 4 possible children
based in the above the husband will end up between a possible 8 to 12 children to care for
now if there is no upper limit and we are allowed to marry whatever number of widows with orphans then it is quite possibly that the man will end up with a school to care for, and most likely it will be beyond his financial capabilities, Allah can't leave it to us to assume that we are very rich and we can take care of a lot of children, this does not make sense because it is possible that that rich will not last and yet caused by Allah
my strongest argument is this bro

if you read the arabic verse again 43 you will clearly see that Allah is advicing us if we fear not to be equal with the four wives then WE SHOULD MARRY ONLY ONE, then the verse ended with the following

"Zaleka Adna Ala Ta'Ooloo"

now I see the obviious arabic word "Ta'Ooloo" as an indication that the additional wives were widows with orphans, because Allah is advicing us to marry only one if we will not be euqally fair with all, and He stated at the end of the verse that this is less harm than to "Ta'OoLoo" children and NOT be edqually fair with their mothers,

i.e. it is better not to worry about the orphans and marry only ONE if we fear that we will not be equally fair with their mothers (as being legal wives)

the arabic word "Ta'Ooloo" is a common arabic word which means that you have dependents and you care for them, it is actually drived from the very common arabic word (Eial) which means "Children"

The old Mofaseroon were really confused about this clear arabic word "Ta'Ooloo"

some has interpeted as (To cause injustice)

others intepeted it as (To lean to another wive)

Please read all the tafsir by the followings

Ibn Kathir
Al Galaleen
Al Tabari
Al Quetoby

and you will see what I mean by they were confused

why the hell is that if the arabic word clrearly means that you have dependants (Eial) to care for?

Allah knows best

Peace

Jaxal

SaLaM Ahmad

Ok brother. Put your argument aside and tell me this. How many husbands with orphans can a woman take? Does the same rule apply to the women?

unknownuser

Hello mate

no it does not because the women can not multiply husbands concurrently from the first place

but I will elaborate with a couple of lines later, as I'm at work now

cheers

Jaxal

SaLaM Ahmed

women can not multiply husbands concurrently

What do you mean?

unknownuser

LOL

ok

here it is simply man

a muslim man can marry up to four wives at the same time as long as the multiple wives was to care for their children

a muslim woman can only marry one man, if that man died or a divorce happened then she can mary another man and so on as long as it is one man at a time

at least we will know the father of all her children

I do not agree at all with your logic of marrying up tpo four as long as it was one at a time, I'm sorry it makes no sense to me

cheers

Jaxal

SaLaM Ahmed

And that is the ONLY reason why a woman cannot marry 4 men at the same time? I mean its a crappy reason. But is this the ONLY reason?

Raj-ah

Jaxal wrote

SaLaM Rajah

One at a time.

Salam to you too

If that is so; why did the Prophet and his Companions did not follow this Quranic Command.

Ahmad Wrote

as far as the arabic words in verse 43 go, it means that muslim men are allowed to marry up to 4 women , BUT THE WOMEN MUST HAVE ORPHANS, NOT A SINGLE WOMAN

Peace to you too

Ok, let us take that as correct but If they are single than what??
The Question is "How many wives can a Muslim have according to Quran?"

Ahmed wrote

Allah adviced us to marry only ONE

Therefore from your post, I conclude that Quran allows only one Wive, but in the case their are women weather divorced or whom husband's have died with children's, Muslims can marry up to four.
And you have specifically related it with "Uhud"
Is that what you meant?

Before we can go on further.

Swedish lady wrote

Are 4 wives correct!? i thought that was an misunderstanding.

Any proof why is it misunderstanding?

unknownuser

SaLaM Ahmed

And that is the ONLY reason why a woman cannot marry 4 men at the same time? I mean its a crappy reason. But is this the ONLY reason?

of course not, this is just the common sense one

however a man is intenally differrnt to a woman, also a man is suppose to be the one that provide not the woman, a man can make more money than a woman, there are exceptioanl cases but in general and by looking at many cultures, you will see that the man is the dominant in the top jobs

for example how many male CEOs compared yo femals CEOSs

how many male presidents compared to women?

how many females in the army, police, fire department, and politics leading jobs compared to males?

you will see this evident in all countries, logically speaking a man is most likely to provide not the woman because

and because the main reason for polygamy is to care for orphaned children and provide for them, it is allowed to men and not women

now if we talk emotionally, I don;t think a woman can support 4 familes like a man can do

cheers

SwedenMajidah

Salaam,

No, I don't have any proofs and what is a proof anyway!?

But I have an understanding that Orphans means a child with no father because it is the father who feed the family.

But I know today this seems not so correct though because there are women with children who have top jobs and are rich and they don't need any man to feed them.

But if the kids without any father is concidered to be orphans then the Quran perhaps mean that after u already have marry one woman then u are only allowed to marry orphans because they need more shelter or it can also mean that u can only marry the orphaned mothers.

Peace sis Maria

Layth

Peace,

I read the instruction as 4 wives being allowed on condition that 3 are mothers of orphans who are being taken in under the mans care.

I am aware that 44 has been argued to mean mothers of orphans, while others have argued that it means to 'marry off' the orphan females (which I do not subscibe to as a limit is not required in this case)...

the evidence I believe clinches the matter of conditional polygamy is the following

"Forbidden for you are your mothers, and your daughters, and your sisters, and your fathers' sisters, and your mothers' sisters, and the daughters of your brother, and the daughters of your sister, and your foster mothers who suckled you, and your sisters from suckling, and the mothers of your wives, and your step-daughters residing in your homes from your wives which you have already consummated the marriage with; if you have not consummated the marriage then there is no sin upon you; and the wives of your sons that are from your seed, and that you join between two sisters except what has already been done. God is Forgiving, Merciful. " (The Message 424)

This is clear to mean that 'joining more than one wife' is permisssible as long as they are not sisters (unless this was done before the verse was revealed).

unknownuser

Peace to you too

Peace be with you bro

Ok, let us take that as correct but If they are single than what??

Why a single woman has to marry a married man?

Haven?t you ask yourself this question bro?

Would you allow your virgin daughter to marry a married man?

what a virgin woman is missing to not to deserve to marry a man who is not already married?

is it love between the two?, if so, then sorry, it has nothing to do with the orphans, yet if it is love, how that new love can be equal to the exiting love he already has?

The Question is "How many wives can a Muslim have according to Quran?"

Women are not slaves for men to talk about them as a max number to marry, this is ridiculous,

Men can only marry widows with orphans as far as the verse states, it starts with mentioning that if we fear to be unjust with the orphans then we marry up to 4 women who had them

But let me ask you first bro?

If we have a problem in hand which is fearing not to be just with the orphans, how the proposed solution of marrying any other women will fit in the picture as a solution to the problem?,

So if we consider the verse as follow

If you fear not to be just with the orphans then marry any 4 women of you choice,

Come on bro that does not makes sense at all

The solution of marrying any 4 women is not a solution when we fear not to be just with the orphans, or what do you think?

Therefore from your post, I conclude that Quran allows only one Wive, but in the case their are women weather divorced or whom husband's have died with children's, Muslims can marry up to four.
And you have specifically related it with "Uhud"
Is that what you meant?

Absolutely

Any struggling women with children whom even their father is alive but left them and don't give a shit about them can be considered under this law, it is all about raising the children who are missing the father?s care to be raised properly

Yes I did related the verse to Uhud battle, as far as I believe the verse was revealed after too many Muslim men died in Uhud and left many widows and orphans, the other Muslim men did not know what to do with the huge number of widows and orphans especially their fathers died in the cause of Allah

I believe some may even took oath to just take care and provide to them, however how we can guarantee that this kind man will continue to provide to them?, the best answer as recommended by our creator is to marry their mothers

I will try the bring the whole article in here, it may add extra info to my understanding

Peace

unknownuser

Peace,I read the instruction as 4 wives being allowed on condition that 3 are mothers of orphans who are being taken in under the mans care.

Peace mate

I agree regarding the women taken under the men's care, "Ma Malakato Aymanikom"

I would say they sound like orphans to me, it is like there is no one to take care of them, then Allah does not want them to miss out and He wants us to elevate their status to legal wives, Allah knows best

this is the closet of meaning I managed to find that is compatible with Allah great teachings and laws

peace

Jaxal

SaLaM Ahmed

of course not, this is just the common sense

Its a funny things, common sense. For example, it would be common sense for the woman to have a child with her first husband before having unprotected sex with her other 3. This would obviously solve the 'whose the father' mystery. Or it would be common sense, that the woman is unable to have babies so 'whose the father' mystery wont even play. Or how about this, perhaps the woman DONT WANT to have any more babies. So she is in a good financial position. She marries 4 husbands with orphans. either she dont have sex with them or has protected sex with them.

You look at this from a male prospective. No love. Oh yea, im a macho man supporting 4 wives with orphans. IM KING KONG. but look at it through the woman's prospective. How many sisters here on the forum are with children? would even one of you be OK to share your husband with another woman? Where is the love? A man cannot love more than 1 woman. how can he do justice between them? This is all from God. This is the command of God. Im sure i dont have to give you the verses. But when a man takes a second wife, he is in direct violation of the laws set by God on this matter. Same goes for the woman. Using your argument, even if the woman didnt want to have any babies, it still would be against the law of Allah on this matter.

unknownuser

Peace brother Layth,

Good to see you posting brother!

Layth

Peace Kyle,

Good to see you posting brother!

Not as regular as I would like, but still here

unknownuser

SaLaM Ahmed

of course not, this is just the common sense

Its a funny things, common sense. For example, it would be common sense for the woman to have a child with her first husband before having unprotected sex with her other 3.

yes I agree that sex with more than one partners will make all vunerlable for STDs if any there

bnut the assumption is, now days both partners must be checked for STD before marriage is fulfilled, I will do that myself, we can?t take any risk in the 20s century

but I believe Allah can stop any disease to any person by just a two letters word

This would obviously solve the 'whose the father' mystery. Or it would be common sense, that the woman is unable to have babies so 'whose the father' mystery wont even play.

another tough note, however if a woman can?t have children remember that Allah made her this way as He stated in His Quran, so He will be the only one to take care of her really

Or how about this, perhaps the woman DONT WANT to have any more babies. So she is in a good financial position. She marries 4 husbands with orphans. either she dont have sex with them or has protected sex with them.

possible but she will be called a sl** even by non muslims

You look at this from a male prospective. No love. Oh yea, im a macho man supporting 4 wives with orphans. IM KING KONG. but look at it through the woman's prospective.

I?m looking at it from the women perspective, I actually don?t give a fluke about the men perspective because I know most of them will interpret it to their benefit

If a widow or a divorcee who have children and struggling in life, then it is ok for a capable man to marry them and help them and their children, if they manage to find a single man to marry them then piece of cake but I can assure you it is going to be hard for them, especially if they are deprived from beauty and old

How many sisters here on the forum are with children? would even one of you be OK to share your husband with another woman?

this question was asked on a sunni forum that I don?t like and to my shocking surprise most sisters there came with an answer that they will be happy to share their husband, now I now that most of them are F of S, and surely brain washed

Where is the love? A man cannot love more than 1 woman. how can he do justice between them?

a man can love more than one woman but he will never love them equally

This is all from God. This is the command of God. Im sure i dont have to give you the verses. But when a man takes a second wife, he is in direct violation of the laws set by God on this matter.

not a violation as such, I agree that polygamy comes with its disadvantages however the main reason is to take care of the children, now a less hard is ok to prevent a bigger harm, this is the general rule in Islam, so the less harm of not being equal to 4 wives is ok to commit if a bigger harm of the orphans not raised in a healthy environment , now if men wants to listen and obey Allah advice that we will never be equal then we should marry only one and don?t worry about the orphans then this is the way to go ?marry only one? and I?m in favour of marrying only one regardless of the orphans, I have been married for 16 years and can?t imagine I can live with a second wife or even replace the one I?m married to with another for good, so I?m also not in favour of divorce, it just can?t happen in my life inshaaallah

Same goes for the woman. Using your argument, even if the woman didnt want to have any babies, it still would be against the law of Allah on this matter.

I agree

peace

Raj-ah

Ahmed says

Why a single woman has to marry a married man?

Why not? Besides there can be many reasons; for love, for lust, for money, for security, for fame etc.

Haven?t you ask yourself this question bro?

Is that important?

Would you allow your virgin daughter to marry a married man?

I think Abu Bakr had better mental level then me.

what a virgin woman is missing to not to deserve to marry a man who is not already married?

I think we have to ask it From Ayesha but sorry we cant contact her.

The solution of marrying any 4 women is not a solution when we fear not to be just with the orphans, or what do you think?

What you are trying to bring forward is the translation of the verse according to your understnading, and I said Ok let us agree. The verse is talking about marrying 2's 3's anb 4's women who are mothers of orphans.

Men can only marry widows with orphans as far as the verse states, it starts with mentioning that if we fear to be unjust with the orphans then we marry up to 4 women who had them

Does it says up to 4? please read it again does it impose any limit?

If you fear not to be just with the orphans then marry any 4 women of you choice,

Come on bro that does not makes sense at all

Yes, it does not make sense at all. So? we take that the verse says
Marry in two's , three's and four's the women who are widow and have kids.
Therefore Quran allows to have more than one wife or when you marry a widow you don't call her wife?
If you call widow a "wife" than quran allows you to marry morethan one wives according to the verse you quoted, well if you have any other word for "wife" who is a widow than we want to know it.

Women are not slaves for men to talk about them as a max number to marry, this is ridiculous,

Well ridiclous or not one thing is sure your reading and understanding of Quran is either not complete or you have not gone ethrough the verses in which "SLAVES" the WOMEN SLAVES" are allowed to have sexual relationship with.

Also prohibited are the women who are already married, unless they flee their disbelieving husbands who are at war with you.

Now these women are niether divorced nor widow ; what do you say?

Those among you who cannot afford to marry free believing women, may marry believing slave women...

Slave women, Quran talks about women slaves and you say it is ridiculous.

Jaxal wrote
How many sisters here on the forum are with children? would even one of you be OK to share your husband with another woman?

this question was asked on a sunni forum that I don?t like and to my shocking surprise most sisters there came with an answer that they will be happy to share their husband, now I now that most of them are F of S, and surely brain washed

Are you sure they were brain washed? many in moderen Europe and USA share their husbands and wives for enjoyment shortly and permanently wink

In your attempt to show us that that particular verse you mentioned is regarding Orphan's and their mothers you are not able to get my question
So I repaet it once again

How many wives are allowed for a Muslim according to Quran??
therfore let us stick to the question.

And if take your answer that Quran says "Marry only one"
than
Have you read the following verse

Only with their spouses, or those who are rightfully theirs, do they have sexual relations; they are not to be blamed.
I guess the word used here is Plural for wives, do you agree? and in addition to that Slaves.

unknownuser

Ahmed says

Why a single woman has to marry a married man?

Why not? Besides there can be many reasons; for love, for lust, for money, for security, for fame etc.

well, most women will not, I think most virgins will prefer to marry a single man, and I guess over 90% of will have this attitude

all that other reasons you listed above are not accepted in my books except security, i.e. "if that woman was threatened physically or financially and could not find any other protection other than to marry a married man". but yet the married man should be ready to committ the sin of not being equal with two wives

Haven?t you ask yourself this question bro?

Is that important?

don't worry about it then

Would you allow your virgin daughter to marry a married man?

I think Abu Bakr had better mental level then me.

well, I'm not going to be side tracked with a story that happened about 1400 years ago when humans had close to nill compared to what we have today, just forget the past unless it is related to a verse in the Quran you want to discuss, I don't think that Aysha marriage to the great prophet was discussed in the Quran

what a virgin woman is missing to not to deserve to marry a man who is not already married?

I think we have to ask it From Ayesha but sorry we cant contact her.

same comment as my last comment, however I'm asking you, not Ayasha, but thanks for letting me know that she is not contactable therefore I'm asking you the same question again

The solution of marrying any 4 women is not a solution when we fear not to be just with the orphans, or what do you think?

What you are trying to bring forward is the translation of the verse according to your understnading,

did I suggest it was to anyone's else understanding?

and I said Ok let us agree. The verse is talking about marrying 2's 3's anb 4's women who are mothers of orphans.

Men can only marry widows with orphans as far as the verse states, it starts with mentioning that if we fear to be unjust with the orphans then we marry up to 4 women who had them

Does it says up to 4? please read it again does it impose any limit?

If you fear not to be just with the orphans then marry any 4 women of you choice,

Come on bro that does not makes sense at all

Yes, it does not make sense at all. So? we take that the verse says
Marry in two's , three's and four's the women who are widow and have kids.

it seems it is the only option because orhans were mentioned as a proplem and that was the proposed solution for that specific propblem, however I delibertly didn't talk about "Ma Malakato Aymanikom" because it is very rare to happen nowdays to have women in your care, I have never seen it in my 40 years of life anyway, I'm trying to tackle the issue of Muslim men abusing this very restricted law and deceiving theor first wives, but at the end of the day it is my personal opinion

Therefore Quran allows to have more than one wife or when you marry a widow you don't call her wife?

a silly question and I decline to answer it

If you call widow a "wife" than quran allows you to marry morethan one wives according to the verse you quoted, well if you have any other word for "wife" who is a widow than we want to know it.

that is the rest of your silly question above and it has to exit through the second ear without processing, sorry I don't take silly comments seriously

Women are not slaves for men to talk about them as a max number to marry, this is ridiculous,

Well ridiclous or not one thing is sure your reading and understanding of Quran is either not complete or you have not gone ethrough the verses in which "SLAVES" the WOMEN SLAVES" are allowed to have sexual relationship with.

look mister quran know it all, I did not accuse you of not reading the Quran because i don't know you, so please don't commit this childish crap and accuse me as such because you don't know me

regarding the verses of the salves, this is circumstantial and mostely for the old days 1400 years ago when slavery was common, now I don't see women slaves around me or hear about them other than what I hear or read about the prostitution industry and the Quran yet tackled this issue of forcing women into prostitution against their will, I see "Ma malkato Aymankom" as not slaves, Quran was against slavery anyway and always encouraged to raise their status to legal wives, the Quran never allow illegal sex, but if men wants to understand it this way, i don't care, neither I will carry any of their sins nor they will carry any of mine, I'm a one woman marraige believer and will stay this way till I die inshaallah

also the arabic word "Abd" which means "Slave", was only used by Allah to decribe the people as his slaves, it was never used to describe a man being a slave to another man, but if it did then again it will be an encouragment to free him/her from the slavery

Also prohibited are the women who are already married, unless they flee their disbelieving husbands who are at war with you.

Now these women are niether divorced nor widow ; what do you say?

Jaxal wrote
How many sisters here on the forum are with children? would even one of you be OK to share your husband with another woman?

this question was asked on a sunni forum that I don?t like and to my shocking surprise most sisters there came with an answer that they will be happy to share their husband, now I now that most of them are F of S, and surely brain washed

Are you sure they were brain washed? many in moderen Europe and USA share their husbands and wives for enjoyment shortly and permanently wink

Honestly I?m not a fan of this life style, but I have seen them, I lived in the states for a while and with the westerners for over 20 years

In your attempt to show us that that particular verse you mentioned is regarding Orphan's and their mothers you are not able to get my question
So I repaet it once again

I?m not showing anything claiming to be the right answer for whatever, I?m just sharing my thoughts that I feel comfortable with, but there are things that is clear and strong, my strongest argumet is this

the prophans are the problem in the only verse that allow to marry more than one "rwo, three or four", it was never mentioned any where else, consequently the proposed solution must be related to the problem not bloody a totally different solution that satisfy the evil lust of most men. a problem that men has to fight themselvs and they will be rewarded by hoor el-ein, now why women will not be rewarded sexually as the men in paradise?, have you ever asked yourself that question?

How many wives are allowed for a Muslim according to Quran??
therfore let us stick to the question.

for a true and 100% submitter it has to be ONE, because a true submitter will always try to avoid the least of things that will cause any unfairness and because Allah created us and He knows us the best, He knows that men can not be equal between women so they SHOULD MARRY ONLY ONE

the prophets are different than us and dealt differently by Allah, I can elborate if you like

And if take your answer that Quran says "Marry only one"
than
Have you read the following verse

I have read the Quran more than 15 times thoroughly for the the last 25 years and I?m still learning but sure I read the verse many times

Only with their spouses, or those who are rightfully theirs, do they have sexual relations; they are not to be blamed.

I guess the word used here is Plural for wives, do you agree? and in addition to that Slaves.

Oh yeh I agree that it is plural, but the funny thing is this, you want to take it as Allah is talking about a single believer who have many wives, what a perfect case of manipulation by you, you see mister rajah, when we talk about one man who has many cars we say

His cars, right mister?

But if we will talk about a few men each with one car, then we say

Their cars

And sure the whole sura is talking about the Mo?menoon "A Plural", not a single mo?min and consequently when we talk about their spouses we should say their spouses, the verse did not say ?his spouses? but nice try, here is all the verses from the start of the sura to verse 6, you will sure know what I mean

The believers must (eventually) win through,- ?
?Those who humble themselves in their prayers; ?
?Who avoid vain talk; ?
?Who are active in deeds of charity;
?Who abstain from sex, ?
?Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame, ?

(1)
(2)
(3)
(4)
(5)
(6)

can you see my point?

For ?Malakat Aymanaikom?, I believe I responded to this already and I consider them as orphans who are in desperate need for care, I can also acceot it as slaves but only at the old days when slavery was common and legal, this is how the Quran can live with all generations

there is part in your comment that I will respond to it later

Allah knows best

peace