hadiths/Quran
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Peace
they were written by different people at different times?
Probably, yes. The reading has been written by certain people .
the Quran is all of Mohameds teachings, yes?
It is what has been taught to him .
perharps giving definitions of the two words would be helpful here...
Hadeeth means discourse, tale, story, or narration.
Ha Dal Oa (to relate) = 442, 78, 140; 668; 7185; 126, 21, 101, 111; 186; 209; 2344; 316; 3353; 3419; 3923; 456; 5124; 5234; 5359; 5681; 663; 6844; 7750; 7915; 8517; 881.
Quran means reading, recitation, proclamation, or rehearsal.
Qaf Ra Alif (to recite/read) = 2185, 2228, 482, 5101, 619, 7204, 7204, 9111, 1015, 1037, 1061, 1094, 122, 123, 1231, 151, 1587, 1591, 1698, 1698, 179, 1714, 1741, 1745, 1745, 1746, 1760, 1771, 1778, 1778, 1782, 1788, 1789, 1793, 17106, 17106, 1854, 202, 20113, 20114, 2530, 2532, 26199, 271, 276, 2776, 2792, 2885, 3058, 3431, 362, 3669, 381, 3927, 3928, 413, 4126, 4144, 427, 433, 4331, 4629, 4724, 501, 5045, 5417, 5422, 5432, 5440, 552, 5677, 5921, 6919, 721, 734, 7320, 7320, 7320, 7517, 7518, 7518, 7623, 8421, 8421, 8521, 876, 961, 963
The reading has been described as the best narration/hadeeth by Jibreel .
Joe
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My position is that not all ahadeeth/stories are contrary to the teachings of the reading. Some of them do contradict here and there, others coincide, and some may speak of things on which the reading is silent. I do not see the need to categorize all ahadeeth as bad or evil and I do take the reading as a wisdom concerning servitude to God .
Joe
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Hi TheNabi,
But brother, The quran rejects the Hadith. Also majority of the Muslims classified it as part of the revalation, which is why we are in a mess today. The Jews and Christians did the same thing in the past, and now the Muslims are following them. I agree there are some good things in them, but when you read them, you come to realise that the Prophet never allowed these to be written.
I like your name "TheNabi".
Peace.
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The quran rejects the Hadith.
The reading is ahadeeth. It rejects frivolous ahadeeth .
the Prophet never allowed these to be written.
I'm not sure if the nabiyy allowed for cencorship of this kind, but he would not promote misleading ahadeeth.
I like your name "TheNabi".
Thank you.
Joe
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thanks to all of you for your replies. it certainly made it clearer. everytime i would see someone quote a scripture, i would often see someone else follow with a scripture contradictory to the first, and it made it difficult to understand and i didn't know who or what to believe.
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Salam eyeswideopen
One is the word of god pray and the other man- made.rotfl
There is not a diificult choice to be made here don't you agree. roll
But still which would you go for? wink
well Tahira, i am a man absent religion, but that does not mean that i would side with the one that is man made. man has managed to take nearly all things good and twist it to his liking for his personal agenda.
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Peace be upon you Nabi and all,
Thanks for continuing to provide the definitions and occurences.
quran=proclamation is sounding a lot better to me now.
Hadith is just a story, the best story is the truthful (verifyable) proclamation(quran).
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Salam eyeswideopen
That must have been one of the quickest decisions ever made.
My brother in law still can't see the difference between Quran and Hadith and is still arguing his point that they are the same. winkSome Hadiths are very good though but i think these have been cleverly(deliberately) been kept to(cover up) confuse us into thinking that the other man-made Hadiths are authentic too.
Its ok to believe in the toothfairy, but its not ok when the toothfairy tells you to chop someones hands off if they steal.
Oh and to everyone reading this post if the toothfairy was real dentists would be billionaires so remember TOOTH FAIRIES ARE NOT REAL, unless you are a very very rich dentist.
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That must have been one of the quickest decisions ever made.
That's always the case for someone with a neutral or an outside point of view. This is the objective way of looking at things, from outside looking in. You brother in law and a lot of other people who've been born into this cult or understanding, will find it extremely difficult if not impossible to see the difference. A good example is my dad, I couldn't be bothered to explain to him anymore, because he KNOWS. How do you teach a teacher? winkPeace
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Peace,
I think the key word that is missing from most of the definitions of ahadeeth is that they are ALLEGED sayings, and teachings.
There is no way nor any necessity to check their veracity.
Everything you need for heaven is in the Quran. Whether the ahadeeth or any other book is compatible or not is immaterial and can safely be ignored without penalty.
Regards.
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Peace be upon you,
I would like to try an exercise in this thread if everyone is willing, there is never any compulsion.
I would liek us all to stop writing it like this "Hadith", and start replacing that with "story" (notice the lower case).
I guarantee it will help make the concept clear to any who will translate the word consistently.
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Peace Kyle,
I would like to try an exercise in this thread if everyone is willing, there is never any compulsion.
I would liek us all to stop writing it like this "Hadith", and start replacing that with "story" (notice the lower case).
I guarantee it will help make the concept clear to any who will translate the word consistently.
Is this regarding the Ayat of Al Quran?
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Peace be upon you,
Is this regarding the Ayat of Al Quran?
This is an exercise to help us demistify the language. WHy "Ayat" and "Al Quran"? Why not "sign" and "proclamation"?
We are talking in english so lets translate and bring the clarity. As I said, there is no compulsion, but there should be no fear of translation.
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Peace be upon you,
Is this regarding the Ayat of Al Quran?
This is an exercise to help us demistify the language. WHy "Ayat" and "Al Quran"? Why not "sign" and "proclamation"?
We are talking in english so lets translate and bring the clarity. As I said, there is no compulsion, but there should be no fear of translation.
Ayat means signs does it not?
Quran means recitation?So what is the benefit of playing word games?
Accept these things as metaphors but don't play with the meanings perhaps?
Regards,
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Peace eyeswideopen,
Check this out when you get the time - http//www.free-minds.org/articles.htm#hadith - might answer some of your questions
thank you, that was helpful. i can imagine that it must be difficult for young children who are taught hadith alongside Quran.
lol. i thought it was difficult when my parents converted from catholics to evangelical christians. roll
