Myth of Islamic Scholars

mquran

Disagreed. To have scholars in al-islaam , i.e people who are experts in the understanding of al-islaam cannot be a bad thing unless

they professionalise it, they seek wealth in exchange for studying the ayaat.
they formalise it, they say that unless you come through our institution, you're not a scholar.

sunnism's done both of the above. Quranism will too, when the time comes. It's an inescapable sunna.

bmbmm

How can we have experts in Islam? Islam is a way of life, so I think experties in Islam, is universal i.e. its a combined intelect of various experts.

mquran

Al-islaam exists in the world and also in al-quraan. To understand it in both dimensions, study needs to be performed. People who have studied longer and deeper should be approached in order to get oneself up to speed. I have benefitted much from such consultations.

bmbmm

I agree with you mquran. I only have problem with the title Islamic Scholar; what scholarship is this?

mquran

It's a scholarship of life. Its a field quite unknown to academia but vital for us all.

unknownuser

Those scholars was refered to in the Quran as "The people who have knowledge"

I'm not saying I agree with the title, in fact I don't agree with the scholar title because people may call themselves whatever but at the end of the day their knowledge and sense will be the only things that count

The Quran also stated that this knowledge is given by Allah to anyone and we should ask Him to increase our knowledge

The Quran also told us that the humans who are the most to fear Allah are the ones with knowledge "Al Olamaa"

peace

phoenix1

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I understand what you're saying Ahmed, but there are always people who are better at something than others. Like athletes. In the same way, people have understanding of the Quran on different levels. That doesnt mean there has to be a select group of "olema" who decide everything. Being knowledgeble is not a proffesion or even a title. Everyone has knowledge to a certain extent and we all have the ability to gain more knowledge.
But the bottom line always is, to be absolutely sure of something, we have to find it out for ourselves. And following the "ones with knowledge" without having any knowledge ourselves means we're following those people and not God.

unknownuser

peace

I understand what you're saying Ahmed, but there are always people who are better at something than others. Like athletes. In the same way, people have understanding of the Quran on different levels. That doesnt mean there has to be a select group of "olema" who decide everything. Being knowledgeble is not a proffesion or even a title. Everyone has knowledge to a certain extent and we all have the ability to gain more knowledge.
But the bottom line always is, to be absolutely sure of something, we have to find it out for ourselves. And following the "ones with knowledge" without having any knowledge ourselves means we're following those people and not God.

Of course bro here is the Quran confirming what you just said

13- And We have made every man's actions to cling to his neck, and We will bring forth to him on the resurrection day a book which he will find wide open

14- Read your book; your own self is sufficient as a reckoner against you this day.

15- Whoever goes aright, for his own soul does he go aright; and whoever goes astray, to its detriment only does he go astray nor can the bearer of a burden bear the burden of another, nor do We chastise until We raise a messenger.

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Peace

phoenix1

peace

thanks.
and is that your car in your avatar?

unknownuser

peace

thanks.
and is that your car in your avatar?

Peace bro

yeh man the Quran is just an amazing book, it has all the answers to any question regarding God, this testing life, death and the judgment

For the photo bro she is my second wife, I married her over 10 years ago and our relation is damn strong and I tell you mate unlike the first wife, my second always listens to me where ever I tell her to go, I love her bro. my first wife surely very jealouse of her, true lol

Peace

Andya_Primanda

To get things back on topic...

I agree that some people will have more knowledge of some things than others, they are the ulama--'knowledgeable men'. I don't have problems with the existence of the ulama. The problem would be the fact that the so-called ulama of religious knowledge are sometimes elevated by the masses/authorities (or even by themselves) to the status of priests where they have absolute authority.

I think most people here would agree with that.

mquran

I agree that some people will have more knowledge of some things than others, they are the ulama--'knowledgeable men'. I don't have problems with the existence of the ulama. The problem would be the fact that the so-called ulama of religious knowledge are sometimes elevated by the masses/authorities (or even by themselves) to the status of priests where they have absolute authority.

I think most people here would agree with that.

I disagree that it happens sometimes

Andya_Primanda

I disagree that it happens sometimes

Not all of them are 'elevated' to priests, hence sometimes.

mquran

Not all of them are 'elevated' to priests, hence sometimes

Well, if not 'elevated' , how else would they get there. Say the ulama association had no support from the people, can they self-elevate? I don't think they can.

bmbmm

Well then. Let the Islamic Scholars sort us out.

phoenix1

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That's the whole problem mquran, people support the "ulema" too much.
its the trust people have in the scholars that's caused Islam's downfall.

mquran

Phoenix, I'd like to extrapolate that too trust anyone has in anything except Allah. A Quranic society, imho is where people rely on thier own experience of the ayaat mostly as opposed to using an intermediate.

unknownuser

As far as I am concerned the 'scholars of Islam' are exactly that - scholars of popular Islam.

Popular Islam is a blend of Arabian ideas with some Judeo-Christian thought, and large helping of Persian concepts. And these are the experts in these fields.

Depending on locality as well, local customs can be added to the mix and subsequently become part of popular Islam.

For me, I take the text as if it were revealed just now, with no baggage.

bmbmm

Hi T.A.F.K.A.G,

I wish I know what your name TAFKAG is but anyway I agree with your understanding. I think this Islamic Scholar thing is total ignorance and pride of the muslim vicars.