the reading(quran) is not the title of any book
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Peace,
Hi
For me, the translation can be wrong or whatsoever,..I just don't care, people who translated the Koran is just a normal human being,
now you conceded that the english tranalation can be easily wrong, good, I reckon santa will good to you
including the one who wrote your "Arabic Text"/Koran...
that is a bit of a stretch bro, the arabci Quran is one text since revelation can you show two different Arabic Quran that are for sale, like the many english translatipons for sale?
so leave the arabic alone as you have no knowledge about it and according to 1736 "DO NOT ARGUE IF YOU LACK KNOWLEDGE",
I say if you do not, Santa is not going to be good to you this xmas
But, for sure...If Allah want to let me have the knowledge, No matter whats the language...I'll still be able to understand...even without the "Koran"..
not sure what you mean by still understand wiothout the Quran? what you will still understand? can you be specific?
Yet, some people who knows so much of "Arabic" failed to even understand that Koran never explain to them anything...
this is a clear cut non sense, the quran explains every thing we need to prosper as well it explains itself in the most accurate of ways
and that why we are all in this "forum" looking for explaination!!!!
well, explanation to what exactly?, can you be more specific, is it life, quran, hell, god,...... there are many things that are needed to be explained, and sure most are explained in the perfect and complete arabic quran
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Peace,
And when We change (one) communication for (another) communication, and Allah knows best what He reveals, they say You are only a forger. Nay, most of them do not know. - Shakir
16 101. When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger" but most of them understand not. - Yusuf Ali
16 101 And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they say Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not.- Pickthall
16102 And if We exchange a verse in place of another verse; and God is more aware of what He is revealing; they Say "You are making this up!" Alas, most of them do not know. - Free Mind
Today, I can see it myself the meaning of the verse above...
Man, again I wanna ask you...what do you understand by the English word "ego"????????? that made you to say that it is wrong??
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that is a bit of a stretch bro, the arabci Quran is one text since revelation can you show two different Arabic Quran that are for sale, like the many english translatipons for sale?
Again, you don't get my message...Did I say Quran? I said "Koran" and I have seen hundreds type of Koran...Big, small, black and white, or coloured version...
so leave the arabic alone as you have no knowledge about it and according to 1736 "DO NOT ARGUE IF YOU LACK KNOWLEDGE",
Ohya..from where you got the translation for the above verse? can you please tell me...how it is translated as "argue"????
Are you suggesting that we should "follow/accept blindly" if we can't argue???
Yes, I am always lack of knowledge...Thats why I always look for answers...But I don't "follow blindly" as Knowledge came from answers and answers came from questions and if nobody argues...it means everyone has found the "truth"....
not sure what you mean by still understand wiothout the Quran? what you will still understand? can you be specific?
I said "koran" not "Quran"..again you are twisting your words..
this is a clear cut non sense, the quran explains every thing we need to prosper as well it explains itself in the most accurate of ways
Can you tell me where on "Koran" I can find an explaination on how to use "Adobe Photoshop"? I want to learn it but still looking for the best book to learn that subject..
well, explanation to what exactly?, can you be more specific, is it life, quran, hell, god,...... there are many things that are needed to be explained, and sure most are explained in the perfect and complete arabic quran
and now you say "most"..I thought you said it explains everything?Ok, nevermind, I need to learn "photoshop" can you please show me a verse that will explain to me about photoshop??
thanks...
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ashr?na?man...y? kit?b al haww?
wa lem azal f? ec-cafhat el ?l?"(/nizar qabbani)
sure he was documenting his desires, possibly a love to a woman, or any thing elase that he desired and wanted to be documented so he spent 20 years documenting the desires
Peace bro
I know what it means damn well since I'm translating from Arabic to Swedish and currently Nizars poetry. I just wanted to show it to you, that's all, but that was a mistake.
What is your native language Ahmed?
And one more thing, you haven't respond to my latest post...
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Peace,
And when We change (one) communication for (another) communication, and Allah knows best what He reveals, they say You are only a forger. Nay, most of them do not know. - Shakir
16 101. When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger" but most of them understand not. - Yusuf Ali
16 101 And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they say Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not.- Pickthall
16102 And if We exchange a verse in place of another verse; and God is more aware of what He is revealing; they Say "You are making this up!" Alas, most of them do not know. - Free Mind
Today, I can see it myself the meaning of the verse above...
Shakir translation is 100% wrong, there is no such word that ean communication in the arabic text
Man, again I wanna ask you...what do you understand by the English word "ego"????????? that made you to say that it is wrong??
Ego = self pride and the ones who have ego I consider them arrogant
see, that does not mean "Hawa", because Hawa is a desire not self pride, unless I understand ego wrong
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I know what it means damn well since I'm translating from Arabic to Swedish
but I don't read swedish
and currently Nizars poetry. I just wanted to show it to you, that's all, but that was a mistake.
bro, at least say a message with it so I know what you mean
What is your native language Ahmed?
I believe i told this before, I wonder why you aske me the same question again
And one more thing, you haven't respond to my latest post...
ok I wil have a look, too may things I have to respond to, but I will respond
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Ahmed,
I see where you're heading but I haven't yet figured out what cannot be reproduced similar to the Koran.
Hello mate
here it is
The challenge, is to produce in Arabic , three lines, that do not fall into one of the sixteen al-Bihar of the Quran, that is not rhyming prose, nor like the speech of soothsayers, and not normal speech, that it should contain at least a comprehensible meaning and rhetoric, i.e. not gobbledygook.
The Koran is written in a grammatically not too interesting manner.
I'm sorry Tne grammar in the Quran is in the most excelent manner it can get, I have done great researches on that and will receive a massive reference about the grammar in the Quranm "in arabic" in about 4 weeks to prove it to all
The grammar is not too difficult and it is clear,
I'm sorry, you lack knowedge here, the grammar in the Quran is very tough and not for the faint hearted, I can prove what i said easily but with only native arabic speakers
but still pretty poor.
sorry bro, you are 100% wrong, as I said the grammar in the Quran is in the most excelence manner, the modern arabic used now is the one that should be described as poor
It is what I would call the end of ancient and primitive Semitic languages. Modern compared to its ancestors, but still not too complex or refined. This is the Quraishi Arabic of the Koran.
there is no such thing called Quraishi arabic, lol and sure the use of the arabic language in the Quran is not primitive and only incline that the author KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS COMPLEX LANGUAGE
Since no one really doesn?t speak the language any longer (and the assertion that there was no distinctive difference between street and literal language, cannot really be confirmed, can it?) it is obviously more difficult for someone to create a language similar too it. But it can still be made.
The Quran Arabic always sounds modrn to me, the Arabic I hear from other arabic speakers is the one I call primitive, not accurate and full of grammar errors
Let?s just take Sanskrit as an example. An extremely old and complex language that I for myself is fully able to write just like the old Hindu writers did thousands of years ago. So what would be different about the Quraishi Arabic of the Koran? I can?t figure it out!
sorry I'm not comparing the Quran arabic with the Sanskrit because you can't compare two different things
for example you can cmpare the Egyptaiin Arabic with the Iraqi Arabic but not with chinease
and again there is no sich thing called qurashi arabic, unless you mean the qurish people accent?, if this is the case then the quran was not written in their accent because non of them managed to produce a sura like it
If someone about 1400, 1300 years ago perceived this ?challenge? the same way you do and did come up with ?something similar to it?, we can?t really know, can we?
well we can resport to the history records and enahance our knowledge, at least there is no record as such that someone manged to do it as if there is any I reckon that person will be the most famous person in the world who maged to beat the Quran challenge
salam
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see, that does not mean "Hawa", because Hawa is a desire not self pride, unless I understand ego wrong
Its not wrong..but your understanding is too narrow....
being a person with ego never mean arrogant.... one is an arrogant person when he/she let his/her ego control himself/herself...
in the dictionary
ego means self-pride / self-importance / self-esteem/
when you say you desire something...it means you "want/hope/wish/"
desire
n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;so, when you want something... isn't that lead to ego? self-importance? as you said...you love your wife? isn't that mean you want / have passion of her? So, isn't that mean self-importance???
you can't just look at the meaning on the surface, its like reading a poem....u need to look at it deeper...
p/s I wonder if any of you could understand my explaination...
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see, that does not mean "Hawa", because Hawa is a desire not self pride, unless I understand ego wrong
Its not wrong..but your understanding is too narrow....
sure narrow, because I donlt stretch things to suit my "Hawa", I mean my "Desire"
but I still insist that "hawa" does not mean "ego" and now I consider this a lie
being a person with ego never mean arrogant....arrogant, one is an arrogant person when he/she let his ego control himself...
that is fine, i never claimed to be a flunet english speaker to translate an english word to another, you were just wasting my time with a very weak argument
in the dictionary
ego means self-pride / self-importance / self-esteem/
so?
when you say you desire something...it means you "want/hope/wish/"
that if you use it as a verb but as a noun desire means desiter = Hawa
desire
n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;as a verb yes
as noun desire means desire = Hawa
so, when you want something... isn't that lead to ego?
I don't think so
self-importance? as you said...you love your wife? isn't that mean you want / have passion of her? So, isn't that mean self-important???
I don't think so
you can't just look at the meaning on the surface, its like reading a poem....u need to look at it deeper...
do you mean stretching it?
p/s I wonder if any of you could understand my explaination...
no me
desire = hawa
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Hi zsrin,
see, that does not mean "Hawa", because Hawa is a desire not self pride, unless I understand ego wrong
Its not wrong..but your understanding is too narrow....
being a person with ego never mean arrogant.... one is an arrogant person when he/she let his/her ego control himself/herself...
in the dictionaryego means self-pride / self-importance / self-esteem/
Ego means ''An exaggerated sense of self-importance''. similiary exaggerated self-esteem or self pride. it has a negative connotation to it.
Peace!
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that if you use it as a verb but as a noun desire means desiter = Hawa
zsrin wrote
desiren 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;as a verb yes
as noun desire means desire = Hawa
are you blind or something?????? The above is a "noun"! Look carefully!
desire
n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things; -
that is a bit of a stretch bro, the arabci Quran is one text since revelation can you show two different Arabic Quran that are for sale, like the many english translatipons for sale?
Again, you don't get my message...Did I say Quran? I said "Koran" and I have seen hundreds type of Koran...Big, small, black and white, or coloured version...
Quran = Koran =
nice try regrarding the coloured Qurans you saw, lol I saw them too, but is the arabic texts between them are different? this may take you a few years to verify
so leave the arabic alone as you have no knowledge about it and according to 1736 "DO NOT ARGUE IF YOU LACK KNOWLEDGE",
Ohya..from where you got the translation for the above verse? can you please tell me...how it is translated as "argue"????
La Taqif, means do not stand, or don't stop at things that you lack knowledge in, EXACTLY AS WHAT YOU ARE DOING lol
we have a pefect match ladies and gents wink
Are you suggesting that we should "follow/accept blindly" if we can't argue???
No,
i never said that
Yes, I am always lack of knowledge...Thats why I always look for answers...
good but don't argue if you lack knowedge, 1736
But I don't "follow blindly" as Knowledge came from answers and answers came from questions and if nobody argues...it means everyone has found the "truth"....
sure, I don't follow blindly either, but I don't argue when I lack knowledge, 1736
not sure what you mean by still understand wiothout the Quran? what you will still understand? can you be specific?
I said "koran" not "Quran"..again you are twisting your words..
Quran = Koran =
this is a clear cut non sense, the quran explains every thing we need to prosper as well it explains itself in the most accurate of ways
Can you tell me where on "Koran" I can find an explaination on how to use "Adobe Photoshop"? I want to learn it but still looking for the best book to learn that subject..
not sure if you need to know adobe photo shop to prosper lol
haha, thanks for the laugh,
try the bible, at least we know it was corrupt by humans possibly they inserted it there?, not sure wink
well, explanation to what exactly?, can you be more specific, is it life, quran, hell, god,...... there are many things that are needed to be explained, and sure most are explained in the perfect and complete arabic quran
and now you say "most"..I thought you said it explains everything?
a lie
i highlighted what i said in red
I said EVERYTHING WE NEED TO PROSPER
Ok, nevermind,
sure I should nevermind because it was a lie
I need to learn "photoshop" can you please show me a verse that will explain to me about photoshop?
as I suggested try the bible
thanks...
no worries
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Hi zsrin,
see, that does not mean "Hawa", because Hawa is a desire not self pride, unless I understand ego wrong
Its not wrong..but your understanding is too narrow....
being a person with ego never mean arrogant.... one is an arrogant person when he/she let his/her ego control himself/herself...
in the dictionaryego means self-pride / self-importance / self-esteem/
Ego means ''An exaggerated sense of self-importance''. similiary exaggerated self-esteem or self pride. it has a negative connotation to it.
Peace!
its not neccessarily "exaggerated"...It can also be just
Appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem.
http//www.answers.com/topic/ego
As I said, it depends on how far u understand the word...
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that if you use it as a verb but as a noun desire means desiter = Hawa
zsrin wrote
desiren 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;as a verb yes
as noun desire means desire = Hawa
are you blind or something?????? The above is a "noun"! Look carefully!
desire
n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;well read above 6/6, your copy and past dictinart says
an inclination to want things
TO BLOODY WANT
would that sound like a verb to you?
what a confuser you are
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it is 1200 am 1/1/2006 in sydney
I wish all a happy new year and I wish Islam to come back strong and united in this year
peace
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zsrin wrote
Ohya..from where you got the translation for the above verse? can you please tell me...how it is translated as "argue"????La Taqif, means do not stand, or don't stop at things that you lack knowledge in, EXACTLY AS WHAT YOU ARE DOING Laughing
See, you proved it yourself who is playing with words...U explained that it means "do not stand", "don't stop"....but then you translated it as "argue"..Do you know what "argue" means??
- To put forth reasons for or against; debate
- To attempt to prove by reasoning; maintain or contend The speaker argued that more immigrants should be admitted to the country.
- To give evidence of; indicate
- To persuade or influence (another), as by presenting reasons argued the clerk into lowering the price.
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that if you use it as a verb but as a noun desire means desiter = Hawa
zsrin wrote
desiren 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;as a verb yes
as noun desire means desire = Hawa
are you blind or something?????? The above is a "noun"! Look carefully!
desire
n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;well read above 6/6, your copy and past dictinart says
an inclination to want things
TO BLOODY WANT
would that sound like a verb to you?
what a confuser you are
Man, do you know what is the different between noun and verb?
desire
noun
1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things; "a man of many desires"
3 something that is desiredverb
1 feel or have a desire for; want strongly; "I want to go home
now; "I want my own room"
2 expect with desire; "I trust you will behave better from now
on"; "I hope she understands that she cannot expect a
raise"
3 express a desire forAre you trying to say my dictionary is wrong now?
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Ego means ''An exaggerated sense of self-importance''. similiary exaggerated self-esteem or self pride. it has a negative connotation to it.
Peace!
thanks for the info, you also proved my point that szrin is trying to stretch it to give the word "hawa" a negative feeling so the verse I posted about the people who follow their hawa will be specific to the ones who are following a negative attitude "ego", therefore he can exclude himself freely as if he believes that he does not have ego "hawa"
see, clear as light
happy new year
peace