the reading(quran) is not the title of any book

unknownuser

Ahmed,

I see where you're heading but I haven't yet figured out what cannot be reproduced similar to the Koran.

Hello mate

here it is

The challenge, is to produce in Arabic , three lines, that do not fall into one of the sixteen al-Bihar of the Quran, that is not rhyming prose, nor like the speech of soothsayers, and not normal speech, that it should contain at least a comprehensible meaning and rhetoric, i.e. not gobbledygook.

The Koran is written in a grammatically not too interesting manner.

I'm sorry Tne grammar in the Quran is in the most excelent manner it can get, I have done great researches on that and will receive a massive reference about the grammar in the Quranm "in arabic" in about 4 weeks to prove it to all

The grammar is not too difficult and it is clear,

I'm sorry, you lack knowedge here, the grammar in the Quran is very tough and not for the faint hearted, I can prove what i said easily but with only native arabic speakers

but still pretty poor.

sorry bro, you are 100% wrong, as I said the grammar in the Quran is in the most excelence manner, the modern arabic used now is the one that should be described as poor

It is what I would call the end of ancient and primitive Semitic languages. Modern compared to its ancestors, but still not too complex or refined. This is the Quraishi Arabic of the Koran.

there is no such thing called Quraishi arabic, lol and sure the use of the arabic language in the Quran is not primitive and only incline that the author KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS COMPLEX LANGUAGE

Since no one really doesn?t speak the language any longer (and the assertion that there was no distinctive difference between street and literal language, cannot really be confirmed, can it?) it is obviously more difficult for someone to create a language similar too it. But it can still be made.

The Quran Arabic always sounds modrn to me, the Arabic I hear from other arabic speakers is the one I call primitive, not accurate and full of grammar errors

Let?s just take Sanskrit as an example. An extremely old and complex language that I for myself is fully able to write just like the old Hindu writers did thousands of years ago. So what would be different about the Quraishi Arabic of the Koran? I can?t figure it out!

sorry I'm not comparing the Quran arabic with the Sanskrit because you can't compare two different things

for example you can cmpare the Egyptaiin Arabic with the Iraqi Arabic but not with chinease

and again there is no sich thing called qurashi arabic, unless you mean the qurish people accent?, if this is the case then the quran was not written in their accent because non of them managed to produce a sura like it

If someone about 1400, 1300 years ago perceived this ?challenge? the same way you do and did come up with ?something similar to it?, we can?t really know, can we?

well we can resport to the history records and enahance our knowledge, at least there is no record as such that someone manged to do it as if there is any I reckon that person will be the most famous person in the world who maged to beat the Quran challenge

salam

zsrin

see, that does not mean "Hawa", because Hawa is a desire not self pride, unless I understand ego wrong

Its not wrong..but your understanding is too narrow....

being a person with ego never mean arrogant.... one is an arrogant person when he/she let his/her ego control himself/herself...

in the dictionary

ego means self-pride / self-importance / self-esteem/

when you say you desire something...it means you "want/hope/wish/"

desire

n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;

so, when you want something... isn't that lead to ego? self-importance? as you said...you love your wife? isn't that mean you want / have passion of her? So, isn't that mean self-importance???

you can't just look at the meaning on the surface, its like reading a poem....u need to look at it deeper...

p/s I wonder if any of you could understand my explaination...

unknownuser

see, that does not mean "Hawa", because Hawa is a desire not self pride, unless I understand ego wrong

Its not wrong..but your understanding is too narrow....

sure narrow, because I donlt stretch things to suit my "Hawa", I mean my "Desire"

but I still insist that "hawa" does not mean "ego" and now I consider this a lie

being a person with ego never mean arrogant....arrogant, one is an arrogant person when he/she let his ego control himself...

that is fine, i never claimed to be a flunet english speaker to translate an english word to another, you were just wasting my time with a very weak argument

in the dictionary

ego means self-pride / self-importance / self-esteem/

so?

when you say you desire something...it means you "want/hope/wish/"

that if you use it as a verb but as a noun desire means desiter = Hawa

desire

n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;

as a verb yes

as noun desire means desire = Hawa

so, when you want something... isn't that lead to ego?

I don't think so

self-importance? as you said...you love your wife? isn't that mean you want / have passion of her? So, isn't that mean self-important???

I don't think so

you can't just look at the meaning on the surface, its like reading a poem....u need to look at it deeper...

do you mean stretching it?

p/s I wonder if any of you could understand my explaination...

no me

desire = hawa

unknownuser

Hi zsrin,

see, that does not mean "Hawa", because Hawa is a desire not self pride, unless I understand ego wrong

Its not wrong..but your understanding is too narrow....
being a person with ego never mean arrogant.... one is an arrogant person when he/she let his/her ego control himself/herself...
in the dictionary

ego means self-pride / self-importance / self-esteem/

Ego means ''An exaggerated sense of self-importance''. similiary exaggerated self-esteem or self pride. it has a negative connotation to it.

Peace!

zsrin

that if you use it as a verb but as a noun desire means desiter = Hawa

zsrin wrote
desire

n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;

as a verb yes

as noun desire means desire = Hawa

are you blind or something?????? The above is a "noun"! Look carefully!

desire

n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;

unknownuser

that is a bit of a stretch bro, the arabci Quran is one text since revelation can you show two different Arabic Quran that are for sale, like the many english translatipons for sale?

Again, you don't get my message...Did I say Quran? I said "Koran" and I have seen hundreds type of Koran...Big, small, black and white, or coloured version...

Quran = Koran =

nice try regrarding the coloured Qurans you saw, lol I saw them too, but is the arabic texts between them are different? this may take you a few years to verify

so leave the arabic alone as you have no knowledge about it and according to 1736 "DO NOT ARGUE IF YOU LACK KNOWLEDGE",

Ohya..from where you got the translation for the above verse? can you please tell me...how it is translated as "argue"????

La Taqif, means do not stand, or don't stop at things that you lack knowledge in, EXACTLY AS WHAT YOU ARE DOING lol

we have a pefect match ladies and gents wink

Are you suggesting that we should "follow/accept blindly" if we can't argue???

No,

i never said that

Yes, I am always lack of knowledge...Thats why I always look for answers...

good but don't argue if you lack knowedge, 1736

But I don't "follow blindly" as Knowledge came from answers and answers came from questions and if nobody argues...it means everyone has found the "truth"....

sure, I don't follow blindly either, but I don't argue when I lack knowledge, 1736

not sure what you mean by still understand wiothout the Quran? what you will still understand? can you be specific?

I said "koran" not "Quran"..again you are twisting your words..

Quran = Koran =

this is a clear cut non sense, the quran explains every thing we need to prosper as well it explains itself in the most accurate of ways

Can you tell me where on "Koran" I can find an explaination on how to use "Adobe Photoshop"? I want to learn it but still looking for the best book to learn that subject..

not sure if you need to know adobe photo shop to prosper lol

haha, thanks for the laugh,

try the bible, at least we know it was corrupt by humans possibly they inserted it there?, not sure wink

well, explanation to what exactly?, can you be more specific, is it life, quran, hell, god,...... there are many things that are needed to be explained, and sure most are explained in the perfect and complete arabic quran

and now you say "most"..I thought you said it explains everything?

a lie

i highlighted what i said in red

I said EVERYTHING WE NEED TO PROSPER

Ok, nevermind,

sure I should nevermind because it was a lie

I need to learn "photoshop" can you please show me a verse that will explain to me about photoshop?

as I suggested try the bible

thanks...

no worries

zsrin

Hi zsrin,

see, that does not mean "Hawa", because Hawa is a desire not self pride, unless I understand ego wrong

Its not wrong..but your understanding is too narrow....
being a person with ego never mean arrogant.... one is an arrogant person when he/she let his/her ego control himself/herself...
in the dictionary

ego means self-pride / self-importance / self-esteem/

Ego means ''An exaggerated sense of self-importance''. similiary exaggerated self-esteem or self pride. it has a negative connotation to it.

Peace!

its not neccessarily "exaggerated"...It can also be just

Appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem.

http//www.answers.com/topic/ego

As I said, it depends on how far u understand the word...

unknownuser

that if you use it as a verb but as a noun desire means desiter = Hawa

zsrin wrote
desire

n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;

as a verb yes

as noun desire means desire = Hawa

are you blind or something?????? The above is a "noun"! Look carefully!

desire

n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;

well read above 6/6, your copy and past dictinart says

an inclination to want things

TO BLOODY WANT

would that sound like a verb to you?

what a confuser you are

unknownuser

it is 1200 am 1/1/2006 in sydney

I wish all a happy new year and I wish Islam to come back strong and united in this year

peace

zsrin

zsrin wrote
Ohya..from where you got the translation for the above verse? can you please tell me...how it is translated as "argue"????

La Taqif, means do not stand, or don't stop at things that you lack knowledge in, EXACTLY AS WHAT YOU ARE DOING Laughing

See, you proved it yourself who is playing with words...U explained that it means "do not stand", "don't stop"....but then you translated it as "argue"..Do you know what "argue" means??

To put forth reasons for or against; debate
To attempt to prove by reasoning; maintain or contend The speaker argued that more immigrants should be admitted to the country.
To give evidence of; indicate
To persuade or influence (another), as by presenting reasons argued the clerk into lowering the price.

zsrin

that if you use it as a verb but as a noun desire means desiter = Hawa

zsrin wrote
desire

n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;

as a verb yes

as noun desire means desire = Hawa

are you blind or something?????? The above is a "noun"! Look carefully!

desire

n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;

well read above 6/6, your copy and past dictinart says

an inclination to want things

TO BLOODY WANT

would that sound like a verb to you?

what a confuser you are

Man, do you know what is the different between noun and verb?

desire
noun
1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things; "a man of many desires"
3 something that is desired

verb
1 feel or have a desire for; want strongly; "I want to go home
now; "I want my own room"
2 expect with desire; "I trust you will behave better from now
on"; "I hope she understands that she cannot expect a
raise"
3 express a desire for

Are you trying to say my dictionary is wrong now?

zsrin

Peace,

If anyone think my understanding of "ego" is wrong..Please point out with facts...

unknownuser

Ego means ''An exaggerated sense of self-importance''. similiary exaggerated self-esteem or self pride. it has a negative connotation to it.

Peace!

thanks for the info, you also proved my point that szrin is trying to stretch it to give the word "hawa" a negative feeling so the verse I posted about the people who follow their hawa will be specific to the ones who are following a negative attitude "ego", therefore he can exclude himself freely as if he believes that he does not have ego "hawa"

see, clear as light

happy new year

peace

zsrin

peace,

well if you think the word "ego" is only something negative..then I can't do anything..its just like saying a "fire" is only a negative element...

unknownuser

what a time waster you are zsrine

this is my last comment to you regarding this subject

Desire as a noun

My desire is flying = Hawaya El-Tiaran

Desire as a verb

I desire flying = Ina Ihawa El-Tiaran

c u in another thread

zsrin

peace,

what nonsense is that? we were talking about what? and what are you talking about?

unknownuser

Hi zsrin and Ahmed Bahgat,

Hi zsrin,

see, that does not mean "Hawa", because Hawa is a desire not self pride, unless I understand ego wrong

.
being a person with ego never mean arrogant.... one is an arrogant person when he/she let his/her ego control himself/herself...
in the dictionary
ego means self-pride / self-importance / self-esteem/

Ego means ''An exaggerated sense of self-importance''. similiary exaggerated self-esteem or self pride. it has a negative connotation to it.

its not neccessarily "exaggerated"...It can also be just
Appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem.
http//www.answers.com/topic/ego
As I said, it depends on how far u understand the word...

I agree. ' Ego' can also mean ''appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem''.
Its more often used as ''exagerated''

But literally, yes, ur meanings are right as well.

Ego
? noun (pl. egos) 1 a person?s sense of self-esteem or self-importance.
http//www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/ego?view=uk

Definition
ego
noun plural egos
1 MAINLY DISAPPROVING your idea or opinion of yourself, or a great feeling of your own importance and ability
That man has such an enormous ego - I've never known anyone so full of themselves!
I'm glad she got the job - she needed something to boost/bolster her ego (= give her confidence).
See also alter ego; superego.

2 SPECIALIZED in psychoanalysis, the part of a person's mind which tries to match the hidden desires of the id (= part of unconscious mind) with the demands of reality

egocentric
adjective MAINLY DISAPPROVING
describes someone who is selfish, thinking only of themselves
Babies are entirely egocentric, concerned only with when they will next be fed.

egocentrically
adverb MAINLY DISAPPROVING

egocentricity
noun MAINLY DISAPPROVING

egomania
noun DISAPPROVING
when a person considers themselves to be very important and able to do anything that they want to do

egomaniac
noun DISAPPROVING
a person who considers themselves to be extremely important and able to do anything that they want to do

egotism
noun (ALSO egoism) DISAPPROVING
the tendency to think only about yourself and consider yourself better and more important than other people
Finding herself world-famous by the time she was eighteen only encouraged the actress's egotism.

egotist
noun (ALSO egoist) DISAPPROVING
a person who considers themselves to be better or more important than other people
Politicians are notorious egotists.

egotistic, egotistical
adjective
http//dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=24931

Bu in my opinion,

"Vain Desire" and Ego, whats the different??

Vain desire and ego are not equivalent words.

Peace!

Fahad1

that is a bit of a stretch bro, the arabci Quran is one text since revelation can you show two different Arabic Quran that are for sale, like the many english translatipons for sale?

Again, you don't get my message...Did I say Quran? I said "Koran" and I have seen hundreds type of Koran...Big, small, black and white, or coloured version...

Quran = Koran =

nice try regrarding the coloured Qurans you saw, lol I saw them too, but is the arabic texts between them are different? this may take you a few years to verify

whats the difference ?!
salam.

unknownuser

that is a bit of a stretch bro, the arabci Quran is one text since revelation can you show two different Arabic Quran that are for sale, like the many english translatipons for sale?

Again, you don't get my message...Did I say Quran? I said "Koran" and I have seen hundreds type of Koran...Big, small, black and white, or coloured version...

Quran = Koran =

nice try regrarding the coloured Qurans you saw, lol I saw them too, but is the arabic texts between them are different? this may take you a few years to verify

whats the difference ?!
salam.

Peace bro

do you mean between the "Quran" and "Koran"?

if yes

then, there is no difference whatsoever, it is the flawed method of writing arabic words using english letters that caused this confusion

the first arabic letter in the word "Quran or Koran" is "Qaf" this can be represented using a "Q" or a "K", as well the dumma on the first letter can be represenetd by an "O" or a "U", the second letter in both "Koran and Quran"

peace mate

Fahad1

do you mean between the "Quran" and "Koran"?

if yes

then, there is no difference whatsoever, it is the flawed method of writing arabic words using english letters that caused this confusion

the first arabic letter in the word "Quran or Koran" is "Qaf" this can be represented using a "Q" or a "K", as well the dumma on the first letter can be represenetd by an "O" or a "U", the second letter in both "Koran and Quran"

peace mate

salam bro.
well that much i know . thanks anyway . no twisting of words therein.

I said "koran" not "Quran"..again you are twisting your words..