the reading(quran) is not the title of any book

zsrin

Hi zsrin,

see, that does not mean "Hawa", because Hawa is a desire not self pride, unless I understand ego wrong

Its not wrong..but your understanding is too narrow....
being a person with ego never mean arrogant.... one is an arrogant person when he/she let his/her ego control himself/herself...
in the dictionary

ego means self-pride / self-importance / self-esteem/

Ego means ''An exaggerated sense of self-importance''. similiary exaggerated self-esteem or self pride. it has a negative connotation to it.

Peace!

its not neccessarily "exaggerated"...It can also be just

Appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem.

http//www.answers.com/topic/ego

As I said, it depends on how far u understand the word...

unknownuser

that if you use it as a verb but as a noun desire means desiter = Hawa

zsrin wrote
desire

n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;

as a verb yes

as noun desire means desire = Hawa

are you blind or something?????? The above is a "noun"! Look carefully!

desire

n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;

well read above 6/6, your copy and past dictinart says

an inclination to want things

TO BLOODY WANT

would that sound like a verb to you?

what a confuser you are

unknownuser

it is 1200 am 1/1/2006 in sydney

I wish all a happy new year and I wish Islam to come back strong and united in this year

peace

zsrin

zsrin wrote
Ohya..from where you got the translation for the above verse? can you please tell me...how it is translated as "argue"????

La Taqif, means do not stand, or don't stop at things that you lack knowledge in, EXACTLY AS WHAT YOU ARE DOING Laughing

See, you proved it yourself who is playing with words...U explained that it means "do not stand", "don't stop"....but then you translated it as "argue"..Do you know what "argue" means??

To put forth reasons for or against; debate
To attempt to prove by reasoning; maintain or contend The speaker argued that more immigrants should be admitted to the country.
To give evidence of; indicate
To persuade or influence (another), as by presenting reasons argued the clerk into lowering the price.

zsrin

that if you use it as a verb but as a noun desire means desiter = Hawa

zsrin wrote
desire

n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;

as a verb yes

as noun desire means desire = Hawa

are you blind or something?????? The above is a "noun"! Look carefully!

desire

n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;

well read above 6/6, your copy and past dictinart says

an inclination to want things

TO BLOODY WANT

would that sound like a verb to you?

what a confuser you are

Man, do you know what is the different between noun and verb?

desire
noun
1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things; "a man of many desires"
3 something that is desired

verb
1 feel or have a desire for; want strongly; "I want to go home
now; "I want my own room"
2 expect with desire; "I trust you will behave better from now
on"; "I hope she understands that she cannot expect a
raise"
3 express a desire for

Are you trying to say my dictionary is wrong now?

zsrin

Peace,

If anyone think my understanding of "ego" is wrong..Please point out with facts...

unknownuser

Ego means ''An exaggerated sense of self-importance''. similiary exaggerated self-esteem or self pride. it has a negative connotation to it.

Peace!

thanks for the info, you also proved my point that szrin is trying to stretch it to give the word "hawa" a negative feeling so the verse I posted about the people who follow their hawa will be specific to the ones who are following a negative attitude "ego", therefore he can exclude himself freely as if he believes that he does not have ego "hawa"

see, clear as light

happy new year

peace

zsrin

peace,

well if you think the word "ego" is only something negative..then I can't do anything..its just like saying a "fire" is only a negative element...

unknownuser

what a time waster you are zsrine

this is my last comment to you regarding this subject

Desire as a noun

My desire is flying = Hawaya El-Tiaran

Desire as a verb

I desire flying = Ina Ihawa El-Tiaran

c u in another thread

zsrin

peace,

what nonsense is that? we were talking about what? and what are you talking about?

unknownuser

Hi zsrin and Ahmed Bahgat,

Hi zsrin,

see, that does not mean "Hawa", because Hawa is a desire not self pride, unless I understand ego wrong

.
being a person with ego never mean arrogant.... one is an arrogant person when he/she let his/her ego control himself/herself...
in the dictionary
ego means self-pride / self-importance / self-esteem/

Ego means ''An exaggerated sense of self-importance''. similiary exaggerated self-esteem or self pride. it has a negative connotation to it.

its not neccessarily "exaggerated"...It can also be just
Appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem.
http//www.answers.com/topic/ego
As I said, it depends on how far u understand the word...

I agree. ' Ego' can also mean ''appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem''.
Its more often used as ''exagerated''

But literally, yes, ur meanings are right as well.

Ego
? noun (pl. egos) 1 a person?s sense of self-esteem or self-importance.
http//www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/ego?view=uk

Definition
ego
noun plural egos
1 MAINLY DISAPPROVING your idea or opinion of yourself, or a great feeling of your own importance and ability
That man has such an enormous ego - I've never known anyone so full of themselves!
I'm glad she got the job - she needed something to boost/bolster her ego (= give her confidence).
See also alter ego; superego.

2 SPECIALIZED in psychoanalysis, the part of a person's mind which tries to match the hidden desires of the id (= part of unconscious mind) with the demands of reality

egocentric
adjective MAINLY DISAPPROVING
describes someone who is selfish, thinking only of themselves
Babies are entirely egocentric, concerned only with when they will next be fed.

egocentrically
adverb MAINLY DISAPPROVING

egocentricity
noun MAINLY DISAPPROVING

egomania
noun DISAPPROVING
when a person considers themselves to be very important and able to do anything that they want to do

egomaniac
noun DISAPPROVING
a person who considers themselves to be extremely important and able to do anything that they want to do

egotism
noun (ALSO egoism) DISAPPROVING
the tendency to think only about yourself and consider yourself better and more important than other people
Finding herself world-famous by the time she was eighteen only encouraged the actress's egotism.

egotist
noun (ALSO egoist) DISAPPROVING
a person who considers themselves to be better or more important than other people
Politicians are notorious egotists.

egotistic, egotistical
adjective
http//dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=24931

Bu in my opinion,

"Vain Desire" and Ego, whats the different??

Vain desire and ego are not equivalent words.

Peace!

Fahad1

that is a bit of a stretch bro, the arabci Quran is one text since revelation can you show two different Arabic Quran that are for sale, like the many english translatipons for sale?

Again, you don't get my message...Did I say Quran? I said "Koran" and I have seen hundreds type of Koran...Big, small, black and white, or coloured version...

Quran = Koran =

nice try regrarding the coloured Qurans you saw, lol I saw them too, but is the arabic texts between them are different? this may take you a few years to verify

whats the difference ?!
salam.

unknownuser

that is a bit of a stretch bro, the arabci Quran is one text since revelation can you show two different Arabic Quran that are for sale, like the many english translatipons for sale?

Again, you don't get my message...Did I say Quran? I said "Koran" and I have seen hundreds type of Koran...Big, small, black and white, or coloured version...

Quran = Koran =

nice try regrarding the coloured Qurans you saw, lol I saw them too, but is the arabic texts between them are different? this may take you a few years to verify

whats the difference ?!
salam.

Peace bro

do you mean between the "Quran" and "Koran"?

if yes

then, there is no difference whatsoever, it is the flawed method of writing arabic words using english letters that caused this confusion

the first arabic letter in the word "Quran or Koran" is "Qaf" this can be represented using a "Q" or a "K", as well the dumma on the first letter can be represenetd by an "O" or a "U", the second letter in both "Koran and Quran"

peace mate

Fahad1

do you mean between the "Quran" and "Koran"?

if yes

then, there is no difference whatsoever, it is the flawed method of writing arabic words using english letters that caused this confusion

the first arabic letter in the word "Quran or Koran" is "Qaf" this can be represented using a "Q" or a "K", as well the dumma on the first letter can be represenetd by an "O" or a "U", the second letter in both "Koran and Quran"

peace mate

salam bro.
well that much i know . thanks anyway . no twisting of words therein.

I said "koran" not "Quran"..again you are twisting your words..

el-Aziz

Ahmed,

I'm dying to hear about the challenge now.
Please tell us about it so that we maybe can give it a go!

unknownuser

Ahmed,

I'm dying to hear about the challenge now.
Please tell us about it so that we maybe can give it a go!

Bro

I posted it twice, if you want to take on it you need to spend about 2 years studying arabic and mastering all the secrets of this language, and believe me there are secrets "LOL after you do this, i'm sure you will understand what is required to pass, it will be a waste of time for me and you to explain more than what i have done already,

but truely if you are inteested there is only one way to be able to have a go, YOU NEED TO MASTER THE ARABIC LANGUAGE lol , I'm flunet but I'm not a master in it wink

would like to see the rest of the trials all over the history?

BTW I Know Nazar Qabani very well, i just didn't comment on his poetry

peace

el-Aziz

Ahmed,

I'm dying to hear about the challenge now.
Please tell us about it so that we maybe can give it a go!

Bro

I posted it twice, if you want to take on it you need to spend about 2 years studying arabic and mastering all the secrets of this language, and believe me there are secrets "LOL after you do this, i'm sure you will understand what is required to pass, it will be a waste of time for me and you to explain more than what i have done already,

but truely if you are inteested there is only one way to be able to have a go, YOU NEED TO MASTER THE ARABIC LANGUAGE lol , I'm flunet but I'm not a master in it wink

would like to see the rest of the trials all over the history?

Hey, never mind about the language skills. I've been studying Arabic for almost ten years. I think I can manage. The only thing I want you to do is formulate the challenge. Not by endless assertions joined with random Koranic verses. Just pick out the crucial part, i.e. what the challenge is about. What is it about the challenge that no person has been able to do.

If there is a challenge inside the Koran, then certainly there can't be a problem for you simply stating what it is.

Now, would you mind just state - in your own words - what challenge there is. Please!

unknownuser

Ahmed,

I'm dying to hear about the challenge now.
Please tell us about it so that we maybe can give it a go!

Bro

I posted it twice, if you want to take on it you need to spend about 2 years studying arabic and mastering all the secrets of this language, and believe me there are secrets "LOL after you do this, i'm sure you will understand what is required to pass, it will be a waste of time for me and you to explain more than what i have done already,

but truely if you are inteested there is only one way to be able to have a go, YOU NEED TO MASTER THE ARABIC LANGUAGE lol , I'm flunet but I'm not a master in it wink

would like to see the rest of the trials all over the history?

Hey, never mind about the language skills. I've been studying Arabic for almost ten years. I think I can manage. The only thing I want you to do is formulate the challenge. Not by endless assertions joined with random Koranic verses. Just pick out the crucial part, i.e. what the challenge is about. What is it about the challenge that no person has been able to do.

If there is a challenge inside the Koran, then certainly there can't be a problem for you simply stating what it is.

Now, would you mind just state - in your own words - what challenge there is. Please!

To write a sura like the Quran

peace

el-Aziz

Hey, never mind about the language skills. I've been studying Arabic for almost ten years. I think I can manage. The only thing I want you to do is formulate the challenge. Not by endless assertions joined with random Koranic verses. Just pick out the crucial part, i.e. what the challenge is about. What is it about the challenge that no person has been able to do.

If there is a challenge inside the Koran, then certainly there can't be a problem for you simply stating what it is.

Now, would you mind just state - in your own words - what challenge there is. Please!

To write a sura like the Quran

peace

Ok, so have I understood this correctly...
All I need to do is write a chapter which by language is similar to the one of the Koran?

unknownuser

Hey, never mind about the language skills. I've been studying Arabic for almost ten years. I think I can manage. The only thing I want you to do is formulate the challenge. Not by endless assertions joined with random Koranic verses. Just pick out the crucial part, i.e. what the challenge is about. What is it about the challenge that no person has been able to do.

If there is a challenge inside the Koran, then certainly there can't be a problem for you simply stating what it is.

Now, would you mind just state - in your own words - what challenge there is. Please!

To write a sura like the Quran

peace

Ok, so have I understood this correctly...
All I need to do is write a chapter which by language is similar to the one of the Koran?

no it can't be similar, this means you are copycat lol nice try

you have to come with something about "let's say Allah" of your own and has the a stunning qualities of the Quran using a different "Bihar", and if you do it with me and I'm stunned I will concede

I will go and spend the today's holiday with the kids and family and I will keep checking this post, but I want it in arabic please and try to make it a huge font as my eye sight is a bit odd

I will check the grammar as well bro, I need a min of a line and half

thanks