gay people and islam
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Peace,
How can it be tested if xenophobia is a genetic trait? one would have to be isolated at beirth. Nurture VS nature. Afraid of a threat or threatened by an unknown of course, that is natural and it also aids our survival. other than that, there is no way to prove it.
and if someone IS born NATURALLY homosexual, should they fix it? (if they can) lives as they were made? or live the lie and fake it? Why should they be condemed to mental and emotional mysery because god made them that way. what possible offence is there before birth to allow for that, unless you believe in reincarnation?
Haven't you completely contradicted yourself here? If xenophobia is untestable, then so is homosexuality. Nurture is nature there too, so further genetic testing is moot.
My opinion is that homosexuality is morally worng. The closest parallel in society that I can find to homosexuality is incest. Some incest occurs between mutually agreeable parties, so as in homosexual relationships, both parties agree to the arrangement. I am obviously discounting cases of rape, etc. So, as a society, we have decided that incest is plain wrong, regardless of the outcome. Even if the incestual couple never produce a disfigured child...maybe they never have vaginal sex and stick to oral sex, we would all still agree that it's morally wrong and simply an unpleasant thought. So, why has society still relegated incest to this category while allowing homosexuality to roam free? They have the same attributes of consent, yet the actual act is naturally disagreeable to the vast majority of people.
I personally think that homosexuality is a psychological problem that stems from very early childhood. it begins when children begin to learn what roles each sex plays in the world, and perhaps they become confused. Whenever I hear homosexuals explain how they knew they were gay, they usually say something like "I really liked decorating," or "I wanted to wear makeup." When you think about it, how are either of these related to wanting to have gay sex? Is it a logical conclusion that if a man likes to decorate, he must also enjoy gay anal sex? You'll find that there is no relation whatsoever, but society has decided that there must be connection, thus further confusing the gender lines.
Anyway, in an effort to be brief, I will say that society should no more tolerate homosexuality than it tolerates incest. It naturally feels wrong, that is why there is such a big push to normalize it so it does not feel wrong. So if a person is gay, they should realize what they are are not act on it. There is always self pleasuring, and sex is not a necessary part of life, regardless of what society claims. Society should also make greater attempts to allow children the freedom to act in whichever gender role they feel like, as I think that this allows them the freedom to remain part of their own gender while identifying with traits of what is traditionally another gender. Basically do not tell your little boys not to cry b/c it's what girls do.
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Peace,
Interesting article.
Hmm....Not much of an article. Its from a textbook of neuroscience.
I think there is a problem when scientist start thinking that behavior is all biological, it is not necessarly true. Although there there is a biological influence on behaviour but one does not need to be in such an enviroment to get those activated. The problems with homos is they are at the wrong enviroment plus this environment is developing around us as well, thats why more and more people are driven to having samesex orientations. Its another Satan's plan to distroy us and put us all into doing wrong.
The last paragraph seems to kind of address ur thoughts.
Despite these uncertainties, work over the last decade has placed human sexuality on a much firmer biological footing. This is a welcome advance over the not-too-distant past when unusual sexual behavior was commonly explained in social, Freudian, or, worse yet, moralistic terms
http//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bv.fcgi?rid=neurosci.section.2127 -
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JK- If it is dangerous to his body that he chooses in the opposite sex direction of the one biologically preferred then the the other should be preferred. Otherwise he/she may choose. I dont see any problem here since ultimately GOD is controlling the mind of each individual anyways.
That's all I needed to knw. so again, why would god condemn someone to this "sinful way" ?
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has placed human sexuality on a much firmer biological footing
i do not think thats true. There is no biological component. If there is than murder etc etc also does.
Many nations doing these acts were distroyed. One either follow the Quran or not. Its clear that it is Satanic plot to distroy us. It is wrong as according to the Quran. Unless the Quran does not say anything about it.
Peace
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I should say ur topic seems to have generated quite a lot of interest here that it has had more than 60 posts in about 18 hrs. Is that a record of some kind?
Not really, it's almost predictable, every once in a while there's one of these threads popping up...http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3561
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3458
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2652
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1565
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=568
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=751
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=692
PS - Check out the second one from the top and see how many pages that generated. )
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it seems that we look up to the bible it states very clearly that god condemns homosexuality, so does the quran, even if it's not as obvious as the bible.
but the least that i can hope from this community is not to stigmatize gay people. even if the scriptures say it's wrong, but we live in a society that gives everyone the rights to live their lives, and we are expected to have tolerance for everyone. just like when we have to live with people with different religions, even if our scriptures comdemns them of worshipping different god from ours, but it doesn't mean that we have the rights to not let them live their lives peacefully.
maybe we don't agree with homosexuality and use our scriptures to justify it, as much as we don't agree with atheism and other religions, but discriminating them by not granting them a legal to get married is quite intolerant. we don't agree with people who have different religions from us, but it doesn't mean that we can deny all or part of their legal rights, does it?
maybe all those homosexuals and people who believe different gods will go to hell, but who are we to judge them? and yes, the scriptures say this and that about them, but i don't agree if we use our scriptures to condemn particular group of people that we don't like. let them live their lives, we live in a society with variety of people, we can't expect every one of them to follow every rules in our religion.
as far as all the datas on the sexual misconducts of homosexual people are concerned, i don't think it's the right tool to judge them. the crime statistics of black and latino people are in general much higher than those of white people. but does it make that those black people do the crimes because they are black? sometimes people forgot that black people has been trapped in the system that has been discriminating them for so long since the slavery time, and i think this systematic crimes kind of happened to homosexual community too. that they have been being prejudiced and many of them are confused about themselves, thus the high level of suicide and drug abuse.
i don't think we will ever come to any agreement on this matter, we can only come to the state of tolerance, just like our tolerance to let other people have whatever religions they believe in. -
i only joined this forum yesterday, and since i moved to the US, i've been questioning certain issues that never came in my mind before.
i was just curious if this god alone movement would have better perspective on gay people, but i guess it's just like christianity, judaism, and traditional islam.
another thing that i don't agree is that when it was mentioned that homosexual people are mostly talented in certain areas because it's satan plot. it's just very absurd to me to hear this kind of thing. if heterosexual people are gifted and talented then it's from god, and if it happens to homosexual people then it's from satan?
this sounds very much like anti-semitism, when muslim and christian nuts would say that many jewis people are talented and powerful because it's part of satan plot.
i believe that god is the most merciful, and he gives anyone a talent if he wills, doesn't matter if he's muslim or not, heterosexual or not. -
Peace "sawtooth",
That's all I needed to knw. so again, why would god condemn someone to this "sinful way" ?
JK- There maybe various reasons for this. Many people are born with deformities, allergies, chronical diseases, etc. Many people are born into corrupt societies causing them to become corrupt and murderers as well. Why would GOD condemn them? I believe in original sin not the christian way but that each indivdual once of us has sinned otherwise it makes no sense why we should be here and not with GOD like the angels. Anyways GOD says in the Quran that He never burdens a soul beyond that which it can bear so everyone can control it. And if someone is born with hs feelings, then out of fear of GOD controls them he may receive a multitude of the normal reward for abstaining for such behaviour. So GOD has His ways and Hes never unjust. He knows while you do not. GOD Bless!
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Hi,
Something wrong and unatural will always be opposed. It is the law of the Universe. However, I do not stigmatize your views. If you think its OK, keep it that way, but saying that homosexuals are alright, as a scientist i do not agree with that. We need to help these people. I know in Judaism, christianity and Islam oppose it, well its God command. The creator is right after all.
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i only joined this forum yesterday, and since i moved to the US, i've been questioning certain issues that never came in my mind before.
i was just curious if this god alone movement would have better perspective on gay people, but i guess it's just like christianity, judaism, and traditional islam.
another thing that i don't agree is that when it was mentioned that homosexual people are mostly talented in certain areas because it's satan plot. it's just very absurd to me to hear this kind of thing. if heterosexual people are gifted and talented then it's from god, and if it happens to homosexual people then it's from satan?
this sounds very much like anti-semitism, when muslim and christian nuts would say that many jewis people are talented and powerful because it's part of satan plot.
i believe that god is the most merciful, and he gives anyone a talent if he wills, doesn't matter if he's muslim or not, heterosexual or not.rotfl I love it when people claim things are satanic plots and refuse to look at the underlying reasons. However...
Something wrong and unatural will always be opposed. It is the law of the Universe. However, I do not stigmatize your views. If you think its OK, keep it that way, but saying that homosexuals are alright, as a scientist i do not agree with that. We need to help these people. I know in Judaism, christianity and Islam oppose it, well its God command. The creator is right after all.
I do agree with you, something that is wrong is never allowed and it is natural law for it to be this way. Even if no religion opposes it, it is still wrong. I also do not see why those who claim to believe in the quran can defend homosexuality when it clearly says that it is wrong. The quran is not talking about violence, it is talking about men sleeping together as they would with women...and it is wrong. This discussion does not need to be so polarized. Even if we can all agree that homosexuality is natural, well it is still wrong as incest is wrong.
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All the wrong is from us and satan and his army does do their part in this. Although we need to find the reason behind this. If someone kill you dad for no reason, I think I will say it from satan, because the satan does suggest these things. There is nothing wrong by saying that
because it's satan plot. it's just very absurd to me to hear this kind of thing. if heterosexual people are gifted and talented then it's from god, and if it happens to homosexual people then it's from satan?
this sounds very much like anti-semitism, when muslim and christian nuts would say that many jewis people are talented and powerful because it's part of satan plot.Ye if they are gifted and talented it is from god. But if they start practising anal sex with other man, I do not think it is from God, doesn't it make sense idea
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Hi Zenje,
I should say ur topic seems to have generated quite a lot of interest here that it has had more than 60 posts in about 18 hrs. Is that a record of some kind?
Not really, it's almost predictable, every once in a while there's one of these threads popping up...http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3561
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3458
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2652
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1565
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=568
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=751
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=692
PS - Check out the second one from the top and see how many pages that generated.
That one had about 234 posts in 10 days.............which is roughly........23 posts per day.
And out here, current score is 76 posts in just one day.
Woo Hoo! This must be a record wink
Peace!
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Peace be upon you,
shock Wow, i've only been gone since yesterday!
Listen brothers and sisters, we are talking about SEX, nothing more.
Forget about "Love", "Marriage", "equal rigts", etc etc, these are all emotional strings that are pulled to bring sympaty to this topic. It is a smoke screen. And no matter how many times one saya that Homosexuals should not be tormented but treated with respect, its like it goes in one ear and out the other.
The topic is SEX, thats why they are called "HomoSEXuals". But then you see he tricks of phrases like "Gay american" and that nonsense.
Topo, you asked why I compared it to child molestation, I did so because we are talking about sexual perversion, whta else would I compare it to except beastiality, I did not want to take it to that level.
But while marriage has bee brougt up, lets discuss the purpose of marriage, the purpose is to have two spiritually minded people come together to help each other stay on the path and to CREATE A CHILD that they can raise as a spiritual being. Its not about getting tax breaks and goverment treats and all that.
Further, people are talking about this "trying out" nonsense. Its clear from that that this is a mental issue as MOST things are.
Genetics? Homosexuals cant have kids, so how is it passed down?
I will conclude this message in the same manner as I have been, it is not the PERSON that I reject, it is the ACT. I treat HUMANS with respect and offer peace to all, but I do not condone nor promote that which is CLEARLY WRONG, especially when I have a 11 year old daughter who has to watch all this foolish behavior on every TV show and radio nowadays, which is why it is getting bigger and bigger. The same way kids emulate everything else on TV.
Enough is enough
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Hi idolfree1,
Peace be upon you,
shock Wow, i've only been gone since yesterday!Thats exactly what I meant )
But while marriage has bee brougt up, lets discuss the purpose of marriage, the purpose is to have two spiritually minded people come together to help each other stay on the path and to CREATE A CHILD that they can raise as a spiritual being. Its not about getting tax breaks and goverment treats and all that.
Well, would u say that two like minded heterosexual people(or like u say, spiritually minded people) who also happen to be infertile shouldnt get married since their marriage wont create a child?
What if the two heterosexual partners are fertile but yet choose not to have a child and instead decide to adopt? Should they not get married since they dont intend to create a child?
Peace!
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and sex (outside of procreation) is nothing more that an act of personal pleasure. So who cares what OTHERS want to do. I am sure they an be told they are headed to hell in a hand basket, and I am also sure most if not all, don't give a hoot. So what does it matter?