salvation while refusing prophethood of Mohammed possible?
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Peace be upon you Myr,
NO need to be sarcastic Kyle
No offense intended, just trying to put this in the right context. Tryin to demystify this "character type" that many have has made into the Holy Savior.
please re-read the messages to see that we are not talking about following the man as such but about the man mission to bring the Quran.
The title of the thread indicates we are talking about this man 1400 years ago that none of us met or can prove. I dont doubt that there was an enlightened person who brought spirituality to people, but I dont suspect his name was Muhammad, nor do I think it matters what his name was. What is important is the message, which is meant to teach us that we ALL have the ability to intuit the God's message within.
If you don't believe in the Quran, the logic that follows is you don't believe that Mohamed was a prophet and messenger and verse 2285 is clear on the messengers but some would have a entire philosophy to prove there is no need to believe in all the messengers, known and unknown.
I trust in that which is descended upon me and those before me, not just a book called "Koran", just as that book says I should. Yet so many uphold this book as the only source of guidance as if they have never read that verse. Nor the verse that states not to go after that which you have NO KNOWLEDGE. I have never met nor seen proof of the man named Muhammad Ibn Abdullah, so I will not bear witness to such a thing. I can only follow the universal laws which can be verified in everyday experience and by doing so I automatically am following the God's messengers, those we are told about and those we are not. The word "muhammad" is a charater type we must emulate, not a human we must follow.
I mentioned your verse above in my first message and made comments as to why we should believe in all the messengers and the books even if we did not meet them in person or had the books in front of us
The only book to worry about is the book that is always in front of us , so that we may verify it. It as only one verse, the UNI-VERSE. All other writings are composed from that. This is why the God always points us to the universe;
"We shall show you the signs in the horizons to within your spirits until yuo KNOW it is the truth"
and the logic for this belief is also repeated in your message above
Please elaborate.
therefore if Quran is denied, the messenger is denied and "automatically" it is denying the truth.
I disagree. The messengers were all sent with the same message, Universal Law. Someone wrote this book called "Koran" to help others understand this. Just as people wrote other books for the same purpose. If one gets to the goal by other means the reward is still the same. Just as this "Koran" states that no matter what you call yourself, if you believe in the God, the ending time, and live righteously, you will have your reward with your Lord.
Some would disagree with this logic and would like to see all the books and the messengers in front of them-)
All that we need IS in front of us. All humans from the beginning until now, in all places of the earth are enlightened by the same Sun in the sky.
Peace and Blessings to you as well.
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Peace idolfree. Very well explained. ) Whoever tries to follow the true universal laws will be a peaceful person.(muslim.) No need for extra illogical beliefs or harmful rituals...A persons' peaceful/rational behaviour mirrors his beliefs,not the other way round with arbitrary/illogical articles of faith which can lead to questionable behaviour...
A person who lives his/her life peacefully and rationally will be successful(relatively speaking.) even if they dont believe/accept/follow literally muhammed,jesus,the quran,or even the god concept(fake one.) of the theologians and sectarians.
Peace all. Ps; logically not even half of the literal beliefs from the quran stand up to scrutiny and verification,but our own experiences of ourselves interacting with the universe can surely be validified,and verified first hand. -
it is not just an issue of quran being word of god...the existence of angels and djinns...the existence of muhammad...but perhaps more of an issue of monotheism against other 'theisms'! those who believe in other 'theisms' would like to believe that everything is symbolic...and that humans can attain to 'godhood'...some do admit to this...others do not!
more or less the arguments used is the same as that which those who denied muhammad and the message did proofs for quran...why did angels not accompany muhammad....why do they not see god plainly...throughout the ages amny of those who turned away from god have used the same excuses! ;D
but the quran makes it quite clear that they have to follow that which has been revaled to muhammad and not that which their nafs tells them to! ;D
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Peace be upon you Myr,
I think Brother we are repeating the same thing again and again. The majority here agrees that we are not talking about the person but the prophethood of that person and nobody is taking him as a "holy savior", we should stick to the subject of this debate. Whether you don't want to call him Mohamed, but "an enlightened person" instead (as per your own message below), this won't change the subject of this debate nor the fact that the Quran was revealed to someone whose name was Mohamed and Quran narrates even part of his life.
The highlighted sections are conflicting. I have verified enough of this reaading(quran) to state that an enlightened person wrote it, none of us can confirm his name. The word "muhammad" is as much a name in regards to this book as "ahmad". (...whose name shall be ahmad...)
And please don't come to tell me that this is tradition or sunni or God knows what else-) for me there is no word gymnastics for the clear verses, Mohamed is Mohamed-).
..whose name shall be ahmad..
As for the debate on Mohamed name meaning and the meanings of Moses, Jesus etc. and that instead of names these are characters and God knows what else-- I am sorry -- it does not make sense to me-).
Respected.
But again, let us agree to disagree as each of us is entitled to his/her own understanding of the issue.
Sure, but we will never get any unity out of agreeing to disagree. Debate will show truth from falsehood.
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hello idolater
Just as this "Koran" states that no matter what you call yourself, if you believe in the God, the ending time, and live righteously, you will have your reward with your Lord.
Don't talk bunk
Koran also states that those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and those who believe in trinity are in true kafirs (rejectors).
So acc. to Koran Pope John Paul II for instance is nothing but a Hell Creature.
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Whoever tries to follow the true universal laws will be a peaceful person.(muslim.) No need for extra illogical beliefs or harmful rituals...A persons' peaceful/rational behaviour mirrors his beliefs,not the other way round with arbitrary/illogical articles of faith which can lead to questionable behaviour...
A person who lives his/her life peacefully and rationally will be successful(relatively speaking.) even if they dont believe/accept/follow literally muhammed,jesus,the quran,or even the god concept(fake one.) of the theologians and sectarians.
Peace all. Ps; logically not even half of the literal beliefs from the quran stand up to scrutiny and verification,but our own experiences of ourselves interacting with the universe can surely be validified,and verified first hand.hi,
It is not you but Allah who has determined the criteria for salvation.The rest is nothing but your wishful thinking.
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Peace Kestrel,
What's with the name-calling. ???
How about providing ayat to support your position so we may all learn?
Here are some that support what Kyle has stated
4122 As for those who believe and do good work, We will admit them gardens with rivers flowing beneath, eternally they will abide therein. God's promise is truth; and who is more truthful in saying than God?
569 "Those who believe, and those who are Jewish, and the Sabiens, and the Nazarenes; whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works, then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve."
1630-31 And it was said to those who were righteous "What has your Lord sent down?" They said "All goodness." For those who have done good in this world there is good, and the Hereafter is even better. Excellent indeed is the home of the righteous. The gardens of Eden, which they will enter, with rivers flowing beneath, in it they will have what they wish. It is such that God rewards the righteous.
May peace be upon you,
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Hi tay,
You are the guy claiming "angels are good emotions", arent you?
D ;D D ;D D ;D
then how do you explain the following verse
234 And We said to the Angels "Submit to Adam," so they submitted except for Satan, he refused and became arrogant, and became of the rejecters.
How can our good emotions submit to Adam? ;D ;D
Here are some that support what Kyle has stated
4122 As for those who believe and do good work, We will admit them gardens with rivers flowing beneath, eternally they will abide therein. God's promise is truth; and who is more truthful in saying than God?
569 "Those who believe, and those who are Jewish, and the Sabiens, and the Nazarenes; whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works, then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve."
1630-31 And it was said to those who were righteous "What has your Lord sent down?" They said "All goodness." For those who have done good in this world there is good, and the Hereafter is even better. Excellent indeed is the home of the righteous. The gardens of Eden, which they will enter, with rivers flowing beneath, in it they will have what they wish. It is such that God rewards the righteous.
Do you really think these verses support Kyle.You are incredible bro. ;D ;D ;D.Dont you have any Quranic knowledge ?
To cut short, I give you a single verse.Think on it,okay.
2177 Righteousness is not turning your faces towards the east or the west. Righteous are those who believe in GOD, the Last Day, the angels, the scripture, and the prophets; and they give the money, cheerfully, to the relatives, the orphans, the needy, the traveling alien, the beggars, and to free the slaves; and they observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat); and they keep their word whenever they make a promise; and they steadfastly persevere in the face of persecution, hardship, and war. These are the truthful; these are the righteous.
Btw,you can call me edip.
peace
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Peace Edip,
You are the guy claiming "angels are good emotions", arent you?
I'm glad you got a kick out of that, although, that does not encompass my entire understanding.
then how do you explain the following verse
234 And We said to the Angels "Submit to Adam," so they submitted except for Satan, he refused and became arrogant, and became of the rejecters.
How can our good emotions submit to Adam?
It's pretty simple, actually. When a person experiences good, what follows is a good emotion.
Now your turn...
what is an angel and how does it submit to Adam?
Do you really think these verses support Kyle.You are incredible bro. .Dont you have any Quranic knowledge ?
To cut short, I give you a single verse.Think on it,okay.
How about just addressing the ayat I posted Mr. Quranic Knowledge??
Peace,
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salam friend,
what is an angel and how does it submit to Adam?
Tay, sorry but this is a silly question.
We humans are to believe in the existence of angels and that they submitted to Adam as Quran clearly tells us these.However we can never know the nature of angels or what they are made of or how they submitted to Adam as angels are beings that we cant perceive or measure or on which we can perform controllled lab experiments or whatever.They dont belong to our world.Therefore we are not able to know or to verify them.We can only believe in them as Quran says they exist.
Your understanding from verse 1736 is completely wrong.
How about just addressing the ayat I posted Mr. Quranic Knowledge??
Well let's have a look at verse 569
569 Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the converts, and the Christians; any of them who (1) believe in GOD and (2) believe in the Last Day, and (3) lead a righteous life, have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.
It seems that acc. to the verse, a christian who believes in trinity and lead a righteous life will attain salvation.This is also what Kyle wants to imply.
Let's take another verse from Quran
573 Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is a third of a trinity. There is no god except the one god. Unless they refrain from saying this, those who disbelieve among them will incur a painful retribution.
It is obvious that acc. to verse 573 our christian friend is a hell creature, isn't he?
Do the verses contradict?
Or is it misleading when you choose and interpret a single verse (or a few verses) from Quran?
peace
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Salam ekarabekir, all,
Your understanding is correct from the clear verses. No salvation without believing in this entire Quran and thus the messenger who conveyed its message, that is, the prophet Mohamed.
That is why it is part of shadah to give the witness that Muhammad is prophet of Allah,,,
But I think free-minds dont accept this give fake reason of idolizing the prophet. When we clearly say that Muhammd is Rasool (Prophet) or Allah then it means accepting him as prophet, it does not mean that aeccepting him as God ( However, a Moron can say some other interpretation).Regards.
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tay wrote
It's pretty simple, actually. When a person experiences good, what follows is a good emotion.dunn mind but i dont see how that answers the question which was asked? -/
myr wrote
I think Brother you are confusing the issue. Prophethood is not attesting in the shahada that Mohamed is rassoul, if you do that and you want to be in harmony with what we are commanded to believe as truth in Quran, that is, we can NOT distinguish among any messengers, you will have to also attest that Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Mohamed, and all the messengers we were told and we were NOT told, are also messenger of God. Beside that, it is very important to understand that the shahada format well spread among the meanstream is NOT in the Quran and even ironically, there is a verse that mentions the hypocrites (munafikeen) who came to the prophet to attest that he was a rassoul while God the All-Mighty knows he was a rassoul. So we have to be very carefull to NOT utter things that may be in conflict with Quran and in particular how ALL the messengers should be considered. Prophethood is a mission given to a man of character chosen by the All-Mighty and for that particular choice, denying that man a mission is to say he is not a messenger, however shahada is for God and not the messengers based on my understanding of the Quran. And God the All-Mighty knows best.agreed that the 'shahada' of faith is la ilaha illallah...however to believe in the prophethood of muhammad...of jesus...of moses...in all the messengers and prophets..not allowing some and rejecting others...to believe in the angels...the last day...the books...and whatever that the quran has commanded to believe in is part of faith ! so though it is not the elementary part in the sense that 'la ilaha illallah' is that which has been the message of all prophets...it is no wrong to attest to prophethood of the messengers as attested to by the quran! as a muslim u do not say u believe in quran but u do not believe in muhammad or jesus or abraham...it is a part of faith! as for hypocrites attesting to muhammad being the messenger of god is it not evident that they were insincere? they thought by simply openly claiming to have believed in muhammad's prophethood their evil would remain concealed...but god doeth remind them that it is very well informed of that which they proclaim and their true state hypocrites! -)
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Peace Kestrel,
Tay, sorry but this is a silly question.
Translation I have no answer, even though I mock other people's understandings with nothing to offer as an alternative.
Your understanding from verse 1736 is completely wrong.
Another frutiless comment. Please teach us!
569 Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the converts, and the Christians; any of them who (1) believe in GOD and (2) believe in the Last Day, and (3) lead a righteous life, have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.
It seems that acc. to the verse, a christian who believes in trinity and lead a righteous life will attain salvation.This is also what Kyle wants to imply.
Where does the ayah mention anything about 'trinity'? And where did you get the information that this is what Kyle implied?
I believe your drawing strawmen and evading the directness of Al-Qur'an to save face. Inshallah I'm wrong.
May peace be upon you,
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Peace thegod,
I stated
"It's pretty simple, actually. When a person experiences good, what follows is a good emotion."And you replied
dunn mind but i dont see how that answers the question which was asked? -/
The question was how do good emotions submit to mankind. The submission is metaphorical. When someone gives from the heart, for example, what follows is a feeling of serene peace. The feeling doesn't come until the action is taken. Thus, the feeling is in submission to the person experiencing the feeling. "All except Iblis". Iblis refused to submit, therefore, Iblis is the catalyst for negative energy, ie anger, jealousy, hatred, etc.
When you feel at peace with yourself, then you know you did the right thing. The feeling is a reminder.
And the Qur'an tells us that the angels will "speak" to us when we remain on God's path
4130 But, behold, as for those who say, "Our Lord is Allah," and then remain steadfastly upright ? upon them descend angels, saying, "Fear not, and grieve not, but hear good news of the Paradise that you are promised.
I've posted this ayah all over the forum, yet not one person has come forward saying they've heard these angels speaking. So what is this ayah talking about, if not something instilled within?
Peace,
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Peace Kestrel,
Tay, sorry but this is a silly question.
Translation I have no answer, even though I mock other people's understandings with nothing to offer as an alternative.
Your understanding from verse 1736 is completely wrong.
Another frutiless comment. Please teach us!
569 Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the converts, and the Christians; any of them who (1) believe in GOD and (2) believe in the Last Day, and (3) lead a righteous life, have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.
It seems that acc. to the verse, a christian who believes in trinity and lead a righteous life will attain salvation.This is also what Kyle wants to imply.
Where does the ayah mention anything about 'trinity'? And where did you get the information that this is what Kyle implied?
I believe your drawing strawmen and evading the directness of Al-Qur'an to save face. Inshallah I'm wrong.
May peace be upon you,
TayHi Tay
Friend, I dont have so much time to explain you everything in detail.Please re-read previous messages in the thread and try to understand by yourself within the context.If you cant or if you dont, then take it easy.t's all fine by me )
As for 1736, ok I m giving an example so that you can also understand
Tay says angels are good emotions.
1736 says And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, all these you are responsible for.
Kestrel says I cant believe what Tay says because I have no knowledge of angels.I cant hear them I cant see them or I cant even imagine them, so how can I verify that they are emotions.
Tay saysthen dont believe in them as you should believe only what is verifiable, per 1736.
Kestrel says I dont need to verify because Quran tells they exist.Things told in verses dont need verifying at all.As a matter of fact I must reject your claim acc.to verse 1736 because I can never verify angels are good emotions.
I hope the example helps
peace
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Peace Kestrel,
I appreciate your tone.
I cant believe what Tay says because I have no knowledge of angels.I cant hear them I cant see them or I cant even imagine them, so how can I verify that they are emotions.
First off, let me say that I, in no way, wish to force my understanding on anyone. The reason we are at this point in our dialogue is because you seemed to think my understanding was laughable.
Now, regarding your response, it doesn't hold water. Emotions are unseen. But can you deny that emotions exist? No. That's the bottom line. So if angels are emotions, then we can verify their existence every time we experience the emotion.
Things told in verses dont need verifying at all.
This speaks volumes. If nothing in the Qur'an needs verifying, then how do you know it is from God? Please show me the ayah that says we are to accept this info blindly.
As a matter of fact I must reject your claim acc.to verse 1736 because I can never verify angels are good emotions.
That is a choice, not a fact. Ask yourself this, if we're not meant to know what the angels are or how they operate, then why would Allah spend so much time mentioning them? Where is the guidance in hearing about an entity that can never be experienced or understood?
If your intentions are sincere, which I have no reason to doubt, then kindly explain these ayat
4130 But, behold, as for those who say, "Our Lord is Allah," and then remain steadfastly upright ? upon them descend angels, saying, "Fear not, and grieve not, but hear good news of the Paradise that you are promised.
812 God inspired the Angels "I am with you so keep firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have rejected; so strike above the necks, and strike from them every one standing."
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tay wrote
The question was how do good emotions submit to mankind.yes! i wonder if u could spare some time to explain emotions...thoughts...good emotions and bad emotions...good thoughts and bad thoughts...but its okay if u cant! -)
tay wrote
The submission is metaphorical.ahan!
tay wrote
When someone gives from the heart, for example, what follows is a feeling of serene peace. The feeling doesn't come until the action is taken.gives what? i mean how much giving is giving enough to experience that serenity?
tay wrote
Thus, the feeling is in submission to the person experiencing the feeling.i am sorry...i m really kinda dumb! -S which feeling therein is human and which feeling is emotion? when god said to the malaikatu to prostrate unto adam....were these emotions outside adam? were they a part of him? did they have free will to do as they determine? what is the meaning of a good emotion and a bad emotion submitting to adam? i mean by their submission (as u put it) to me does it mean i can call them as and when i want?
tay wrote
"All except Iblis". Iblis refused to submit, therefore, Iblis is the catalyst for negative energy, ie anger, jealousy, hatred, etc.'malaika' is plural so good emotions...plural...what is iblis...is it also a good emotion? if it is a bad emotion then since quran has adressed it as singular what is this singular bad emotion?
tay wrote
When you feel at peace with yourself, then you know you did the right thing. The feeling is a reminder.like?? i mean some people get a lot of peace by exacting revenge...in being spiteful and i am pretty much serious here...i have known such people...atleast at that time they are very much at peace....so in that case??
tay wrote
And the Qur'an tells us that the angels will "speak" to us when we remain on God's path4130 But, behold, as for those who say, "Our Lord is Allah," and then remain steadfastly upright upon them descend angels, saying, "Fear not, and grieve not, but hear good news of the Paradise that you are promised.
I've posted this ayah all over the forum, yet not one person has come forward saying they've heard these angels speaking. So what is this ayah talking about, if not something instilled within?
- And those who disbelieve will say Our Lord! Show us those who beguiled us of the jinn and humankind. We will place them underneath our feet that they may be among the nethermost.
####### yes i have wondered about 41 30 myself...but neither have i seen any of who disbelieve say that..4129..have u? however...the quran does speak of people who recieved tidings from angels...but perhaps u dont believe the quran unless u can verify angels till u see them with ur eyes..or in the very least someone tells u "yes i saw 1"...but i guess u would still not believe..u would want to see with ur own eyes...i am not being judgemental...i am pretty cynical about god itself..but if and when i finally kick it out i dont want to have any reasonings to oppose my action!
coming back to 4130 i do think it is talking either about either death or a specific event...refer to 21104!
17 40 What! has then your Lord preferred to give you sons, and (for Himself) taken daughters from among the angels? Most surely you utter a grievous saying.
does that mean god is talking about daughters from good emotions?
17 95 Say, "If there were settled, on earth, angels walking about in peace and quiet, We should certainly have sent them down from the heavens an angel for a messenger."
it means good thoughts settled in earth...walking about...and a good thought being a messenger to other good thoughts?
######### peace -)
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Peace thegod,
Before we get heavy, please note that my understandings are very far from complete and constantly under refinement, and thus any and all questions and comments can only help the understandings grow and become more refined.
You asked
i wonder if u could spare some time to explain emotions...thoughts...good emotions and bad emotions...good thoughts and bad thoughts
Let's have another look at what is said about angels
3125 Indeed, if you are patient and are righteous and they come and attack you, He will supply you with five thousand of the Angels battle trained.
Could it be that angels would actually descend upon the battlefield sporting plate mail armor and swords ready to fight?
No.
3126 And God did not give this except as good news to you, and so that your hearts may be assured with it. Victory is only from God, the Noble, the Wise.
So the angels are not entities ready to fight at a moment's notice, but they are probably best described as the emotion of determination/conviction.
Each good emotion, I would venture to say, is it's own /species/ of angel. They submit to the will of man. If man wills to act righteously, then the angels are obligated to follow by giving man the experience of their essence.
Conversely, Iblis' sole purpose is to catalyze the negative emotion. All negative emotions stem from one place, ego. This is why if one submits his/her will to Allah, via letting go of the ego, Iblis becomes irrelevant
1542 1542 ?Verily, you shall have no power over My servants, except those who put themselves in error and follow you.?
gives what? i mean how much giving is giving enough to experience that serenity?
It's not quantity, but quality. When you give from the heart, the serenity will follow.
which feeling therein is human and which feeling is emotion?
They are one and the same.
when god said to the malaikatu to prostrate unto adam....were these emotions outside adam?
It' difficult to describe this via physical descriptions. You must remember that our physical bodies are complete illusions. There really is no such thing as being outside of something. All that we can "see" is filtered through a sort of virtual reality, but the true essence of all matter is merely vibration of electricity. There is no matter.
by their submission (as u put it) to me does it mean i can call them as and when i want?
Of course. If you want to experience serenity, give. If you want to experience compassion, observe with your heart. The more you act in accordance with Allah, the more you will surround yourself with the malaikat. Beautiful, isn't it?
'malaika' is plural so good emotions...plural...what is iblis...is it also a good emotion? if it is a bad emotion then since quran has adressed it as singular what is this singular bad emotion?
Iblis is ego/arrogance/selfish desire
712 He said "What has prevented you from submitting when I have ordered you?" He said "I am far better than him, You created me from fire and created him from clay!"It is my understanding that Iblis' "birth", if you will, coincides with the birth of man. Iblis is the consequence of freewill, a domain of darkness that only manifests when the lights are turned off.
some people get a lot of peace by exacting revenge...in being spiteful and i am pretty much serious here...i have known such people...atleast at that time they are very much at peace....so in that case??
Disillusionment. There is no possibility of feeling peace while acting out of accordance with God. Revenge is a fire that feeds itself. People mistake the feeling of power as a feeling of peace. They are not the same.
yes i have wondered about 41 30 myself...but neither have i seen any of who disbelieve say that..4129..have u?
No, that's why a deeper meaning must be looked into.
however...the quran does speak of people who recieved tidings from angels...but perhaps u dont believe the quran unless u can verify angels till u see them with ur eyes..or in the very least someone tells u "yes i saw 1"...but i guess u would still not believe
We're talking about 2 different things here. People who receive tidings from angels receive them from within. If someone told me they saw an angel, I would be very curious about the details. I don't have to see the angel, it just has to fit the understanding provided by God.
i am not being judgemental...i am pretty cynical about god itself..but if and when i finally kick it out i dont want to have any reasonings to oppose my action!
Cynicism starts you off in a negative base. It would be better to start off blank and leave yourself open to all possibilities. The Qur'an asks us again and again to look into the universe to see the signs of God. You will see no signs of angels flying around or perched on trees, or the devil and his legion of demons lurking in the shadows. What you will see is an overwhelming energy called "cause and effect". This is the basis of my understanding, and I believe it is well reinforced by the guidance of God.
17 40 What! has then your Lord preferred to give you sons, and (for Himself) taken daughters from among the angels? Most surely you utter a grievous saying.
does that mean god is talking about daughters from good emotions?
I don't believe that all angels are emotions. I believe that all emotions are /species/ of angel. Angels, as it seems to me, covers a wider range of universal energy than simply emotions. But that's another topic altogether. The problems in understanding these verses usually manifest when we take the text literally.
Peace,
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Peace Tay. Excellent analysis of 'angels' and emotions. )
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Peace Tay. Excellent analysis of 'angels' and emotions.
Excellent? Please somebody explain the following verse according to the lobic of Tay
069.017
069.017 And the angels will be on its sides, and eight will, that Day, bear the Throne of thy Lord above them.Al-Qur'an, 069.017 (Al-Haaqqa )
Sincerely,
VirtualEye