Is 'hate' the biggest sin?
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Salam AhmedBahgat, all,
Very good post mashaAllah.
Hello Public
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Iblis himself cant be a Mushrik, because he never obeyed anyone else other than Allah, Iblis is ONLY a Kafir because he only disobeyed Allah but never associated partners with Allah by listening to them over the words of Allah.
.......Very true, that's what I think is the difference between a kafir and a mushrik, and that explains the several clear verses in Quran that state "ina Allah la yuhibu al kafereen" (literally "Allah does NOT LOVE al-kafereen (plural of kafir)". So to go back to the subject of hate, it is fully legitimate to hate even if we are labelled "less humanist" -).
Can you please tell me from where I can get those arabic verses with tashkeel that you are able to paste in your messages? I use Burhan Quran search engine but there is no tashkeel there. Your help is appreciated. Many thanks in advance. Peace. Myr.Good Morning Sister
Thanks mate, here is the url for the best web site for the Arabic Qur
http//quran.muslim-web.com/
cheers
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Peace Myr and others.
(literally "Allah does NOT LOVE al-kafereen (plural of kafir)". So to go back to the subject of hate, it is fully legitimate to hate even if we are labelled "less humanist" -). from Myr
I think a Muslim does not allow vanity to have any place in his mind. Sheerk and vanity just have absolutely no place in Muslim heart. Godhead and vanity belongs only to Allah.
Allah said that the universe is made for mankind. Yet I can not be proud in front of the universe and just can not shout with vanity raising my finger that I am a superior being. Allah said, ?kuntum khaira ummatin?. Yet I can not be proud, and boast before non-Muslims for my being Muslim. Similarly, I can not say, ?I am an Irish, I am proud of it?.
Now about hatred. Allah said that He does not love the ?Kafirs?. He created the Kafirs and He loves them not. But who am I to hate a Kafir? How can I hate a Kafir? I am not the creator or the owner of the kafirs. More over, the terms ?Does not love? and ?hates? may not mean the same.
Muslims are asked to remain cautious, prepared against their enemies. Hatred has not been encouraged. Muslims are also cautioned that hatred must not lead them to cross the limits of justice against their enemies. Here Islam only accepted the reality that many of the members of the Muslim community may feel hatred against the persecutors. You know, each and every individual may not succeed in attaining the highest degree of moral.
Ideally, a Muslim Imam takes sword out of love and wisdom, not in response to hatred.
Hatred should not be diminished, I think, only in the case of physical hygiene. It has nothing to do with human relations.
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peace prashant-kumar. Very good analysis... bravo
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Peace myr. I appreciate your view of not practically acting hate out on people.... bravo
However,what if you are wrong in your interpretations/practical applications of who to 'hate'...? -
Peace
what if you are wrong in your interpretations/practical applications of who to 'hate'
She gave a clear answer already.
I hate homosexuality and those who practice it
It's no guessing game. This is what is abhorred, this behavior, whoever practices it.
Personally I will not guess who may be doing what, but anyone doing it is one who will have my abhorrence.
Joe
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Peace nabi. Clear for YOU...I wanted clarification....Or is that against the forum rules?
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Peace Myr and others.
I am sorry for my misunderstanding.
Allah is in the position to decree what is good and what is evil. A Muslim and a Kaffir are both in the position of Allah?s subject. What Allah says, and in what tone, that fits His position may not fit me with my position as a subject.
The second thing is that Allah expressed His disliking (meaning not loving) for the evil-doers (for example, the sodomites). What is the implication of it for a Muslim? It is to stay away from evil-deeds. Allah did not say in the Quran, ?Allah does not love the evil-doers, so O ye who believe! hate the evil-doers.? If you read the Quran carefully you will find that Allah refrained from promoting hatred among the Muslims against the evil-doers even in your interpretation of the term ?hatred?.
Allah asked us to fear Allah and to stay away from wine, gambling, usury etc. But you will not find there any urge from Allah to hate these acts or those who are associated with these.
A Muslim is cautious, careful against evil and evildoers. Even a Muslim is sympathetic to the evil-doers at the bottom of his heart and he even does not express his sympathy so overtly that may offend the evil-doer. Practically, hatred is associated with some other bad consequences. That is why I fear the term ?hatred?. I do not totally disagree with your interpretation. That?s nice too. But the terms ?caution?, ?carefulness? are better or safer or less misleading, and more befitting with Quran?s approach.
Believe me, A Muslim is more ?Humanist? than a ?Humanist?.
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Peace prashant-kumar. bravo group yay Very good analysis...
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Peace Ahmed, All
Iblis himself can?t be a Mushrik, because he never obeyed anyone else other than Allah, Iblis is ONLY a Kafir because he only disobeyed Allah but never associated partners with Allah by listening to them over the words of Allah.
Iblees was not only a kafir but also a mushrik too. Iblees associated his own ego with Allah.
Iblees was the first mushrik. He, proudly, led the way of shirk.
The very first thing he said in response to Allah's command was "Ana (I, Me) is better than him (meaning Adam)..." The Ana the Ego of Iblees was more improtant to him than listening and following God's command. He knows Allah enough to believe him but he also worshipped his ego and gave his ego priority in spite of the penalty that would await him. That is the unseen shirk that most of humans will fall into, their own ego.
You would not see only mushrikeen worshipping people, messengers or man-made gods. As that is the seen shirk.
But there are the mushriks who worship their own egos, following the example of Iblees. They set their own egos as their gods, but not always necessairly setting Iblees as their god.Iblees did not force the mushriks to associate him (Iblees) with Allah, not that he did not try to or did not work for it. But for human to blame it all on Ibless would be unfair, as they had the free will and choice. The same free will Iblees had/has. So to blame it all on Iblees would to the question If humans can blame, who can Iblees blame!?
That is what Iblees wants those mushriks to understand in JD .So Iblees in JD will disown those mushrikeen because he did not force them to worship him, nor worship their egos. They themselves, proudly, chose to do that, with him only misleading them all the way, of course, because he wants company in Jahannam.
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Peace Ahmed
Peace sister
I was just about to knock it off to bed and saw your comment so I thought I reply to it before I end my day
Iblis himself cant be a Mushrik, because he never obeyed anyone else other than Allah, Iblis is ONLY a Kafir because he only disobeyed Allah but never associated partners with Allah by listening to them over the words of Allah.
Iblees was not only a kafir but also a mushrik too. Iblees associated his own ego with Allah.
The Quran referred to Iblis action as Kufr, can you please show me where it referred to him as a mushrik?
Iblees was the first mushrik. He, proudly, led the way of shirk.
I would like to see verses from the Quran that clearly suggest that Iblis was the first Mushrik, I can?t even s
peculate and say that he is the first kafir, I know according to the Quran that he was referred to as kafir onlyThe very first thing he said in response to Allah's command was "Ana (I, Me) is better than him (meaning Adam)..." The Ana the Ego of Iblees was more improtant to him than listening and following God's command. He knows Allah enough to believe him but he also worshipped his ego and gave his ego priority in spite of the penalty that would await him. That is the unseen shirk that most of humans will fall into, their own ego.
And where the word Mushrik exactly?. I means did he say that ?Ina Mushrik??
You would not see only mushrikeen worshipping people, messengers or man-made gods. As that is the seen shirk.
I agree with the above
But there are the mushriks who worship their own egos, following the example of Iblees. They set their own egos as their gods, but not always necessairly setting Iblees as their god.
Did I say ever that they set Iblis as a god?
Never, all I said they accepted his invitation and followed him, please sister, I?m very accurate in calculating what I say ?not in spelling though? so please be very accurate with me if you will discuss what I said, cheers
Iblees did not force the mushriks to associate him (Iblees) with Allah, not that he did not try to or did not work for it. But for human to blame it all on Ibless would be unfair, as they had the free will and choice. The same free will Iblees had/has. So to blame it all on Iblees would to the question If humans can blame, who can Iblees blame!?
I?m really sick and tired sister that you keep repeating that we blame Iblis, the Quran told us we can?r, so why you insist on that, it is the Quran that told us that Iblis is our enemy and he will do his best to flaw us, the Quran never said our ego will do as such, it is you who is saying so
That is what Iblees wants those mushriks to understand in JD .
Well Iblis said in this verse that he is kafir and he descrtibed them as mishrikoon, so where exactly you concluded that he is a mushrik?, also iblis never mentioned the ego in 1422
So Iblees in JD will disown those mushrikeen because he did not force them to worship him,
Well I never said they worshipped him, it is you who is saying as such, all I said that they obeyed him after accepting his invitation
nor worship their egos.
the verse never mentioned ego
They themselves, proudly, chose to do that, with him only misleading them all the way, of course, because he wants company in Jahannam.
of course he does that is why he invited them and they accepted it and followed it
good night sister
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Peace be upon you all,
Is the EMOTION of "hate" being associated with the Creator?
No such thing )
When the concept of "Love" is properly understood as the emotional response to ONENESS, then we understand that its opposite implies disconectedness. The evil doers are in a state of disconnection.
Love is not a thing where you pick a few people and say "I love you", it is the response to Oneness so a person would tyhen develop themselves as a loving person, not select certain associates to say " I love you", implying that all others are not loved.
We are not to succomb to any emotion to lead our path, only be at PEACE and respond with Love.
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Iblis himself can?t be a Mushrik, because he never obeyed anyone else other than Allah, Iblis is ONLY a Kafir because he only disobeyed Allah but never associated partners with Allah by listening to them over the words of Allah.
Make up mind, did Iblis obey or disobey Allah?
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Peace all.Take it easy danish. group
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Peace Ahmed, All
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Seest thou such a one as taketh for his god his own passion (or impulse)? Couldst thou be a disposer of affairs for him?
And what made Iblees disobey Allah if it was not his pride and his fully blown ego. Iblees believed in himself more than he believed in Allah. When one believes in two gods, one can not obey both at the same time. Iblees obeyed his impulse to the extent of disobeying Allah. But he still believed in Allah as his God, beside his ego, his (Ana)/ his impulse (Hawa).
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Iblis himself cant be a Mushrik, because he never obeyed anyone else other than Allah, Iblis is ONLY a Kafir because he only disobeyed Allah but never associated partners with Allah by listening to them over the words of Allah.
Make up mind, did Iblis obey or disobey Allah?
How smart you are Mister Rumble
He did both
He obeyed first then disobeyed last
Haha
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Peace Ahmed, All
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Seest thou such a one as taketh for his god his own passion (or impulse)? Couldst thou be a disposer of affairs for him?
And what made Iblees disobey Allah if it was not his pride and his fully blown ego. Iblees believed in himself more than he believed in Allah. When one believes in two gods, one can not obey both at the same time. Iblees obeyed his impulse to the extent of disobeying Allah. But he still believed in Allah as his God, beside his ego, his (Ana)/ his impulse (Hawa).
Good darling
the verse above is talking about those who take other gods according to their own desires
the verse above never mentioned the ego, I challenge you to prove it
cheers sister