Misuse of moderators rules...

unknownuser

Banning is not even close to the crime of disrupting the study/discussion of Gods words and disrupting the praising of His name (in-fact, it is insignificant when compared to the reality that people who mock and ridicule Gods Scripture/laws will face when they meet Him).

me and enquirer were off-topic but the thread was DEAD so we won't disrupting anything. ignore

And those who rejected said Do not listen to this Quran and talk over it that you may succeed. We will let those who have rejected taste a severe retribution. And We will recompense them for the evil that they used to do. Such is the recompense for God\\\\\\\'s enemies; the Fire shall be their eternal abode, as a recompense for their discarding Our revelations. (4126-2

who's rejecting the quran?

Do you think there is a difference between people mocking the Scripture in a forum or if they do it face to face?

Will the God of Abraham treat such people differently because they mocked His words on-line rather than mocking His words face-to-face?

i was not mocking it, i found it amusing how you used that verse in the that context >D

It is speaking of fasaad (corruption/mischeif)...Nowhere does a word translated as heinous crimes appear in the text...Fasaad is given as the opposite of making right (see 26152)

Layth you can't crucify or chop mine and enquirers feet or do anything as harsh as that simply coz we were off topic.

My mistake...I should do as you do and make jest and funny emotiocons when God`s Scripture is ignored or deemed as irrelevant.

posting that particular verse was irrelevant.

And it will be said to them Today We will forget you, just as you forgot the meeting of this Day. And your abode is the Fire, and you will have no helpers. This is because you took God\\\'s revelations in mockery, and you were deceived by the worldly life. So from this Day, they will never exit therefrom, nor will they be excused. (4534-35)

i aint ignoring god's revelations but i certainly do not like them taken out of context.

I heard that the US likes to use depleted uranium shells when murdering people who were once safe in their own countries? Or that zionists like to crush people while they are still in their homes?

i take that as a yes then >D

There is no relevance between what the idolworshippers do on Earth and what God has commanded...So why ask?

well why not ask why?

peace,
sugar

Wakas

peace sugar,

A thread is not dead if it hasn't received replies in a while. You do realise that there is a search function in this forum, thus for example, I often read past threads but dont reply to them. I can guarantee you others do the same.

Making a significant* number of off-topic posts derails the original purpose of the thread, and its message can often get lost, thus its discouraged, and sometimes the offending posts can be deleted.

*please note, I did not mind one or two, but when it became most of the posts on the thread, then they had to be deleted.

unknownuser

A thread is not dead if it hasn't received replies in a while.

so when do you consider it dead?

You do realise that there is a search function in this forum, thus for example, I often read past threads but dont reply to them.

what "search function" is that? confused

I can guarantee you others do the same.

well i occasionally click on the last page of the 'list of threads' but i don't see that as some sort of 'search function'

Do you have those search functions like they do in some forums where you type a key word and a list of topics come up?

please note, I did not mind one or two, but when it became most of the posts on the thread, then they had to be deleted.

okay, i'm sorry me and enquirer talked that much -*

peace,
sugar

unknownuser

Peace wakas. I will just make a few comments. The dialogue between me and sugar on that thread contained comments that i had to reply to.....I felt genuinely worried for sugar,and tried to clarify her situation,i would have felt IRRESPONSIBLE if i didnt address some of the things i learnt from that dialogue...I probably should have talked to her by pm,but i didnt want to intrude on her privacy too much,either...
It seemed heavy handed to delete,you could have re-directed the posts,or thread,or sent a pm to me and sugar...
Also dont you think,as muslims/humanity, that we could address or help sugar with some advice on some of the 'issues' raised by her?...Dont we bear some responsibility to help others...? (obviously with her permission and approval.)
We all make mistakes,and now i will consign this 'episode' to 'experience'...
No hard feelings for anyone,but lessons to be learnt and pondered...

Layth

Peace,

i was not mocking it, i found it amusing how you used that verse in the that context

Layth you can't crucify or chop mine and enquirers feet or do anything as harsh as that simply coz we were off topic.

This is a forum in cyberspace, therefore it goes without saying that nothing beyond banning will occur.

What you seem to have a problem with is the relevance of the verse I quoted (fair enough)...

I am saying that people who cause mischeif and are driven primarily by a desire disrupt and even mock the words of the Almighty are mufsidoon.

Why Mufsidoon?

Because such people who do not believe in the words of the Almighty and who have no desire to study or verify if indeed the Scripture is what it claims to be have come into this place to deliberatly disrupt and mock those who are truly interested in Gods words...The strategy of delibertly hounding muslims so as to make noisein a place which has been created for the sole purpose of glorifying God is in my opinoin an act offasaad`.

i aint ignoring god's revelations but i certainly do not like them taken out of context.

If you want to make such a claim then bring your counter argument and show me how the verse was used out of context and what the relevant application of the word(s) is...Simply using emotiocons as you have done in your initial post was read by me as your mocking Gods Scripture, especially since the discussion was between myself and Enquirer, and especially as enquirer is a self confessed humanist (that is someone who takes pride in rejecting Gods scripture and who believes that he and his sect are above the need for such guidance).

There is no relevance between what the idolworshippers do on Earth and what God has commanded...So why ask?

well why not ask why?

Because I am not interested to have an off-topic discussion

Wakas

so when do you consider it dead?

Never, as long as one can still search for it and read it. In fact, they do not have to search for it as it will be listed under a category. In this case "God Alone Projects".

what "search function" is that?

Its in the tabs / menu bar under your login name/pic

Home Help Search Profile My Messages Members Logout

Do you have those search functions like they do in some forums where you type a key word and a list of topics come up?

Yes, see above.

unknownuser

Peace layth. Just because my signature has a light hearted reference to 'humanist',doesnt mean that i follow a sect,or a 'dogmatic' set of beliefs,which are commonly identified (sometimes wrongfully.) as 'humanism'...
I am however a human,as was muhammed,abraham,musa and ALL the prophets... ) bravo yay

arnoldyasin

Peace,

Sorry to intrude, but i had to comment...

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I am however a human,as was muhammed,abraham,musa and ALL the prophets...

Yes, of course your human, i think nobody ever doubted that, only you call them prophets, while your position to the Quran makes them liars. Muhammed claimed the Quran was from God, a prophet is a person recieving SCRIPTURES from God, and by your position this makes Muhammed a liar, as you don't believe it is from God, just a wise book. You'll probably say a prophet is someone deeply connected with reality/truth. But how can this be as they claimed even more, that they recieved personally from God? That doesn't make it just a connection, but a revelation. So then your(it is just a guess that you look at prophets this way, but i believe i'm not far off) idea of a prophet is wrong as then Muhammed was not deeply connected with the truth as he lied about it being more then just that. See the difference?

Peace

unknownuser

Peace all. Check out verses 3134,52,58,4238,6153,16125,1753,283,etc,etc... (and many others,'interpreted' as being fair to people,showing tolerance,controlling emotions,speaking in the best manner etc,etc...)
Moses was commanded to speak NICELY/CIVILLY with pharoah....
Peace all. ps; Arnoldyasin;You are making far too many guesses and assumptions about me...
Some on the forum believe the 'prophet' is a character trait and not a person...these people still believe in the quran as well....
Dont confuse or equate different ideas of god/scriptures/prophets with calling prophets liars or rejection of certain values...
Show me ONE post where i EXPLICITLY called a prophet a liar...?
Your post is pretty emotional,and i expected far better from you....
Peace all.

Elena

Peace,

Why Mufsidoon?
Because such people who do not believe in the words of the Almighty and who have no desire to study or verify if indeed the Scripture is what it claims to be have come into this place to deliberatly disrupt and mock those who are truly interested in God`s words...

probably some people don't come to disrupt and mock but to show their views or their worry about what they consider dangerous or deviated or problematic, thus, they present some topics to discuss that are related to the controversial points like the differences in interpretation of the verses, the slaves, etc. , like when muslims discuss about how wrong the trinity concept is, for instance, and they are not deliberately disrupting and mocking the Christian belief but expressing their concern.

unknownuser

Peace Elena. Your comment and post is exactly what people should understand,before branding/accusing people as 'liars' or 'mischief-makers'...
Thank you.

savage_carrot

Peace,

probably some people don't come to disrupt and mock but to show their views or their worry about what they consider dangerous or deviated or problematic, thus, they present some topics to discuss that are related to the controversial points like the differences in interpretation of the verses, the slaves, etc. , like when muslims discuss about how wrong the trinity concept is, for instance, and they are not deliberately disrupting and mocking the Christian belief but expressing their concern.

Some people do that and some do something else. When quite some time passes, it seperates the chaff from the wheat.

arnoldyasin

Peace all. Check out verses 3134,52,58,4238,6153,16125,1753,283,etc,etc... (and many others,'interpreted' as being fair to people,showing tolerance,controlling emotions,speaking in the best manner etc,etc...)
Moses was commanded to speak NICELY/CIVILLY with pharoah....
Peace all. ps; Arnoldyasin;You are making far too many guesses and assumptions about me...
Some on the forum believe the 'prophet' is a character trait and not a person...these people still believe in the quran as well....
Dont confuse or equate different ideas of god/scriptures/prophets with calling prophets liars or rejection of certain values...
Show me ONE post where i EXPLICITLY called a prophet a liar...?
Your post is pretty emotional,and i expected far better from you....
Peace all.

Enquirer, it was not meant emotional. It was just speaking about that you used Muhammed as an example of him being human and calling him prophet. And it is a charachter trait. But if you don't believe the Quran is from God, how then can you accept Muhammed saying it being so? How do you handle that? How do you handle Muhammed saying in the Quran it is from God as real revelation? Because if you don't believe it is a revelation, then Muhammed is a liar. 1+1=2 This is the thing i don't understand, it was not meant as an offense. I just cannot get your point of view, it is not that i don't respect it.

unknownuser

Peace arnoldyasin. You are looking at things relating to me,in a 'black and white' logic.....How can you say if i believe in a certain idea,then x=liar,or such like...How do you know my current defintion of god? How do you know what i mean when i say 'Divine'.....?
If you will recall thats why i asked you to define objectivity,subjectivity,and reality in another thread.....
Peace all. ps;If we dont want to get off-topic,then pm if you wish...

arnoldyasin

Peace,

Yes, i forgot you also treat the term God different. Excuse my comments. Was not meant offensive. None of my comments ever were. And if they were, i forgot my place. So if i have done so, please take my apologizes. We may differ in views and how we proof things. But we both want the best in this world.

Peace and respect

unknownuser

Peace arnoldyasin. Thats ok my brother. I apologise for my shortcomings to...
I am very happy that we both want the best in this world...And i do agree,much wisdom can be deduced from the quran...
peace all. ps; hope we can get back on track now... sun bravo yay Take care.

mquran

Salaamun alaikum all,

This is a very interesting thread and I'd like to put my 2 cents in, if I may. I'd like to introduce the concept of responsibility to the participants of a disucssion.

Responsibility means simply that, that one needs to be responsble for ones words. I am all for a constructive, positive discussion but being the guy who sits in the defendants box isnt what i'd call a 'constructive, positive discussion'.

I will give an example

Enquirer has created a thread asking 'is there modern technology in the quran'. I would be happy to answer him BUT I would expect him to reciprocate by answering my questions like

what is 'modern technology'
why is modern technology significant
can modern technology be used unconditionally
Not doing so, imho should be considered an offence because the creator of the thread has wasted my time and made me dance to his tune while refusing to extend the same courtesy. I am not his monkey but the administration of this site has made me so due to their policy. The ones who stick to al-quraan should be able to interrogate the interrogator because if they don't, we're assuming all their concepts are 'the truth' and we will be guilty of shirik ourselves.

I can promise the moderators, if this policy is enforced, only the ones who are here to sincerely discuss will stick around. The others'll decide its not worth their bother.

p.s. the above thread is an example only. i havent posted in that thread yet.

unknownuser

Peace mquran. Thats fine,as long as civility is maintained,time is allowed to reply,and people reserve the right not to answer 'rhethorical'/'loaded' questions...
peace all. ps; there is a difference between 'interrogation' and asking questions...

neo

Peace

Disrespectful*
Christ, if you're going to accuse me of something at least use the proper word.

thanks for the correct word. I always confuse the English prefixes, more when the prefixes un- and -dis mean the same, opposite, reverse, not.

I really appreciate the correction.

I consider it a gross disrespect when people confuse prefixes. Apologise. Immediately, please.

arnoldyasin

Peace,

I do have to agree with mquran. My part is to stay friendly, so i only apologize for that to people. But if people want to be taken seriously, they should stop this behaviour. And i agree the mod's should talk about who to allow in the virtual masjid to a certain degree.