The Message - Update

jankren

Please just leave "Jinn" as it is. There is people like me who view "Jinn" as invisible beings. If its translated as "Leaders/Nobles" or other words I will feel uncomfortable when I read it because 'The Message' is my favorite Quran translation. I think it doesn't really matter if one or two words are left untranslated.

Anyway, I wouldnt mind if "Jinn" is translated as "Gennie". D

Layth

Peace,

I wouldnt mind using DemonorGennie` as both would describe the supernatural nature of these beings that were created before man was.

adley

Salaam all,

I prefer keeping it as "jinn". By the way, must it be capitalized?

=adley=

zenje

Peace,

I wouldnt mind using DemonorGennie` as both would describe the supernatural nature of these beings that were created before man was.

If the choice is between jinn and genie, then please keep it as jinn. Genie just sounds a little too 'sitcom'.
On the other hand, IMO 'demon' puts a negative connotation to the word, or 'the supernatural being' as it were, and I don't think this is the case.

de?mon

NOUN

An evil supernatural being; a devil.
A persistently tormenting person, force, or passion the demon of drug addiction.

I say, leave it as jinn, and let the reader decide what it is. Especially since it can be found in the english dictionary as Elena pointed out earlier.

khalil

When would this new edition be available for order and purchase? sun

Edip_Yuksel

Dear Layth

The word Jinn is recognized by Westerners a gennie or demon. So all could be used. However, the cannotation of gennie with Aladdin's lamp and demons with evil (with no exception of righteous deamon), make the first choice, Jinn, more preferrable. However, if you wish to translate it, I suggest one of the followings

Invisible being (See 686; 721)
Elusive being (686; 721)
Creatures of Energy (1027)
Swiftbeing (2710, 39)

As for the Salat, I prefer Rashad's translation "contact prayer."

Peace,
Edip

Layth

Salam Edip,

The word Jinn is recognized by Westerners a gennie or demon. So all could be used. However, the cannotation of gennie with Aladdin's lamp and demons with evil (with no exception of righteous deamon), make the first choice, Jinn, more preferrable. However, if you wish to translate it, I suggest one of the followings

Invisible being (See 686; 721)
Elusive being (686; 721)
Creatures of Energy (1027)
Swiftbeing (2710, 39)

As for the Salat, I prefer Rashad's translation "contact prayer."

Thank you for the insight on the meaning of Jinn...I personally would prefer the use of one of the meanings provided (perhaps energy beings) as that is a close translation of what these beings are...However, I think the jury is still out on thisd one.

As for Salat, I used to use contact-method but it has been correctly pointed out that this word restricts the meanings and creates a problem in verses such as those in sura 9 that adress the mishrikeen doing Salat.

Nural_Amin

Peace,

I agree, if the word is left as 'jinn', then the seeker will find the meaning for the word themselves within the Quran.

Nural

Layth

Peace all,

I have uploaded the minor comments from this thread and some others onto the on-line version of The Message.

I will target handing over the file to the publishers for reprint by this Monday.

If anyone has any additional comments, please state them in the next couple of days or else you will have to wait till the next update is done.

P.S. the main changes were on the subject of Salat using the word bond/bonding rather than the previous use of contact-mthod. You may also want to review the verses on Salat time as I have placed them to the best of my ability on what may be the most accurate representation (see 1778-79, 11114, 2238, 629, 3832)

I have left Jinn as is in Arabic for the time being.

unknownuser

peace

if i were to buy 'the message' now (of if/when should I buy it) would it be using the numbering system most popular? and these updated wordings or not?

Layth

Salam Imran,

if i were to buy 'the message' now (of if/when should I buy it) would it be using the numbering system most popular? and these updated wordings or not?

The numbering issue was put to bed a number of months ago and the current version on-line as well as the physical book both use the more popular Hafs numbering.

As for the current changes being incorporated (basically the Salat translation to bond) that will still be some weeks from appearing as a physical book...I will update this thread accordingly when the process is complete.

arnoldyasin

Peace,

May God bless you Layth for all your efforts...

AbeAbraham

Arnold,

I don't see your article on Jinns (Human Leaders??).

unknownuser

peace

May God bless you Layth for all your efforts..

I second that.

May He.

arnoldyasin

Arnold,

I don't see your article on Jinns (Human Leaders??).

Peace,

Here is the link
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=6089.0

But i don't believe specificaly means leaders. It has multiple meanings, as walking beings refer to multiple creatures, so does the term jinn=beings/things concealed/hidden, refer to multiple things.

Peace

unknownuser

Peace,

I prefer to have salat either leave it as untranslated as salat, (like jinn) or leave it as translated as ?contact-method?. Because the scripture loses its meaning with this translation of the term salat ?the bond?. See verse 89 26

?Nor will anyone be able to free his bonds.?
Obviously, I don?t think this is referring to ?salat?.

Just a suggestion!

Peacxe, rifat

Layth

Peace Rifat,

I prefer to have salat either leave it as untranslated as salat, (like jinn) or leave it as translated as ?contact-method?. Because the scripture loses its meaning with this translation of the term salat ?the bond?. See verse 89 26

I am open to suggestions on what is the best approach and best word(s) used.

I have already posted on the Jinn issue that I am against leaving words untranslated as that defeats the purpose of the translation.

We can revert to contact-method and leave the verses of Sura 9 with the words bond/bonding or even commitment?

arnoldyasin

Peace,

Layth, is it also not possible you translate it as you want, and put the word salaat between brackets next to the word. So everyone can see the 'bond' aproach, and at the same time people are not turned off, as they still can see where it says salaat.

Layth

Peace Arnold,

Layth, is it also not possible you translate it as you want, and put the word salaat between brackets next to the word. So everyone can see the 'bond' aproach, and at the same time people are not turned off, as they still can see where it says salaat.

It is possible, however, my preference is to avoid words in quotations/brackets.

Layth

Peace,

If bond was capitalized Bond in all the occurances where it refered to the act of Salat (i.e. wudu, timing, etc.) would that resolve the issue of the reader understanding it as an act and not a general theme?