The Message - Update

Layth

Peace Rifat,

I prefer to have salat either leave it as untranslated as salat, (like jinn) or leave it as translated as ?contact-method?. Because the scripture loses its meaning with this translation of the term salat ?the bond?. See verse 89 26

I am open to suggestions on what is the best approach and best word(s) used.

I have already posted on the Jinn issue that I am against leaving words untranslated as that defeats the purpose of the translation.

We can revert to contact-method and leave the verses of Sura 9 with the words bond/bonding or even commitment?

arnoldyasin

Peace,

Layth, is it also not possible you translate it as you want, and put the word salaat between brackets next to the word. So everyone can see the 'bond' aproach, and at the same time people are not turned off, as they still can see where it says salaat.

Layth

Peace Arnold,

Layth, is it also not possible you translate it as you want, and put the word salaat between brackets next to the word. So everyone can see the 'bond' aproach, and at the same time people are not turned off, as they still can see where it says salaat.

It is possible, however, my preference is to avoid words in quotations/brackets.

Layth

Peace,

If bond was capitalized Bond in all the occurances where it refered to the act of Salat (i.e. wudu, timing, etc.) would that resolve the issue of the reader understanding it as an act and not a general theme?

arnoldyasin

Peace,

Hmmm, i still don't like the word 'bond'. But that would be an idea yeah...

adley

Salaam Layth,

Will capitalizing make it just like a proper name (while it's not)? What do you think?

=adley=

CavemanDoctor

Salaam Layth,

Will capitalizing make it just like a proper name (while it's not)? What do you think?

=adley=

Yeah, it'd probably be better to italicize it, not capitalize. That way, the reader becomes aware this is something special and not just bond in the traditional generic sense. Perhaps, a footnote on the page the first "salat" appears would do well to explain the italicized bond.

Peace.

Layth

Peace,

Will capitalizing make it just like a proper name (while it's not)? What do you think?

I am not an expert on the gramatics of English so I am not sure if it would be incorrect to capitlize and still retain the action aspect of the word...Would using italics be more correct? or would it add some confusion?

adley

Salaam Layth,

I'm no expert either but usually capitalization is reserved for proper names (name of a person, of a building, of a book, etc). I don't think making it italized will cause confusion. Perhaps Caveman's idea is worth the shot.

=adley=

Wakas

peace,

I think having bond in italics could work, for the regular/timed slw.

unknownuser

peace

how about bold? It will stand out. And What I really like about Khalifa's translation was he'd put important arabic words in parentheses next to the translated word. For example

Contact Prayers (Salat)

unknownuser

Peace All

My 2 cents I really love contact method. It is general enough to encompass all forms of salat yet not so general that it loses it's meaning in the context. bond just seems like an already heavily loaded word with too many pre-conceived notions, while contact method is a relatively newly coined term. I think only quran only folks actually ever heard of such a term before, and so it has less extra baggage than the word bond. Bond to my ears just sounds really generic and doesn't fit the description well enough in all instances. In my opinion, changing the font in any way won't really convey any stronger of a meaning or a different shade of meaning other than just simply 'bond'.

Peace

Layth

Peace,

My 2 cents I really love contact method. It is general enough to encompass all forms of salat yet not so general that it loses it's meaning in the context. bond just seems like an already heavily loaded word with too many pre-conceived notions, while contact method is a relatively newly coined term. I think only quran only folks actually ever heard of such a term before, and so it has less extra baggage than the word bond. Bond to my ears just sounds really generic and doesn't fit the description well enough in all instances. In my opinion, changing the font in any way won't really convey any stronger of a meaning or a different shade of meaning other than just simply 'bond'.

It can be kept as contact-method, with the exception of the verses where it is refering to a bond/commitment (such as sura 9).

I believe the best way to resolve this issue is to run a poll.

unknownuser

I believe the best way to resolve this issue is to run a poll.

Wow that would be perfect ! Excellent idea

I think it would be nice for us to see where we all stand on this with a quick number

God Bless you all

unknownuser

Salaam Layth

I can see that you have some Qur'aanic Arabic knowledge. My question for you Layth is are you fluent in Qur'aanic Arabic?

Salaam