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Which HADITH, besides this (Quran) do they believe in? 7:18

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    adley
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    Salaam Bubba,

    welcome to the forum ;D
    Nice to hear your story.

    =adley=

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      andy
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      Salaam Bubba,

      welcome

      So my dad and mum made a deal, in order for my mum to read the buddhist scripture, my dad have to read the Quran. With God's permission (most gracious most merciful), they are now both "God-alone/Quran only" muslim. My dad told me, the way the Quran is written amazed him. It is not like other religion scriptures he read.

      Alhamdulillah ...it is nice to hear the story.

      If you don't mind, could you share why your mother came to God Alone after she read buddhist scripture? I am sure it would be interesting and enlightening.

      Wassalam,

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        unknownuser
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        Salam,

        (Thanks to Adley & Andy for welcoming me. ))
        "If you don't mind, could you share why your mother came to God Alone after she read buddhist scripture?" - Andy

        I doubt she came to God Alone after she read buddhist scripture. I guess it is when she read the Quran many times while she and my dad were in Maddina/Mekah during Hajj. It is easier to read the Quran when there is little distractions. P

        peace all

        its very unfortunate...its just the older a man(or woman) becomes the more stubborn they are, and the less likely they are to accept it, if you approach this Quran Alone/God Alone concept to teenagers , the result would be spectacular i think... its all about prejudice if these people would let it go and just worry about the truth or what is right then they wouldn't have any problems, but The human being is the most argumentative creature is he not?

        True, it is human nature to argue. Furthermore, people are afraid to question their belief, especially when half of your life is spent holding onto that belief. It could simply because people do not want to admit they are wrong, or it could also because people perceive when you question your belief, you become apostate. But we have to question things before we believe it. Truth will prevail.

        Surah 2 23
        And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our sevant, then produce a Surah like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers besides God, if your (doubt) are true.

        224
        But if ye cannot - and of a surety ye cannot - then fear the Fire whose fuel is Men and Stones, - which is prepared for those who reject Faith.

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          jankren
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          Hey Bubba welcome welcome, by the way do you like shrimp D?

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            unknownuser
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            Uh, hm, yes i like shrimp.

            Does shrimp (are we talking of the same thing?) inspired you in some way, Jankren?

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              jankren
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              Ha... Ha... Im sorry bro, but the reason I asked you that question was because I assumed your name 'Bubba' is inspired by the shrimp loving character in the movie 'Forest Gump' D.

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                what middle man have we put in? we are practicing the legacy left behind by the prophet(pbuh). because he was the best example of a muslim. again i must ask what hierarchy are you referring to? shock

                some of the hadiths are weak, which go against the teachings of the Qur'an, and some are strong ahadiths. obviously if something sounds ridiculous you simply use your own brain and not believe in it.

                Hadiths are the sayings of our beloved prophet (saw), the second generations narrated these.

                I still solely follow the Qur'an, AGAIN HADITHS ARE SUPPLEMENTARY FORM of understanding the Qur'anic commandments. First we should find the references in the Qur'an and then go to secondary sources.

                I read in some other posts, that sunni's are idol worshippers, Astagfirrilah people here have some deviant thoughts about the practices of Sunni's

                salaams

                it is incorrect to say that belief in ahadith is limited to understanding the quran alone.

                on the contrary, if one is believe in the ahadith, one is then paving the path for abrogation and paving the path for shirk.

                WHY?
                because the Ahadith claim to replace many Quranic injunctions and ADD on to them.

                also, there is no such thing as belief in ahadith. those who believe the ahadith to be authentic, believe in the word of certain people. it is these people that they put their faith in. and this is shirk. the whole idea of believing that a person or persons are infallible is shirk. all humans can make mistakes, and therefore, the judgement of humans as to which ahadith is correct is also fallible.

                THEREFORE , the ahadith are historical records and not wahi.

                ahadith can best be used to see what the arabs of that time said about Din and about Muhammad.

                the AHADITH are in now way representative of waht the RasulAllah said or did.

                they are only reflective of what the people of that time CLAIMED that the rasulAllah said or did.

                therefore, it is not a part of Islam

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                  Andya_Primanda
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                  salaams

                  it is incorrect to say that belief in ahadith is limited to understanding the quran alone.

                  on the contrary, if one is believe in the ahadith, one is then paving the path for abrogation and paving the path for shirk.

                  WHY?
                  because the Ahadith claim to replace many Quranic injunctions and ADD on to them.

                  also, there is no such thing as belief in ahadith. those who believe the ahadith to be authentic, believe in the word of certain people. it is these people that they put their faith in. and this is shirk. the whole idea of believing that a person or persons are infallible is shirk. all humans can make mistakes, and therefore, the judgement of humans as to which ahadith is correct is also fallible.

                  THEREFORE , the ahadith are historical records and not wahi.

                  ahadith can best be used to see what the arabs of that time said about Din and about Muhammad.

                  the AHADITH are in now way representative of waht the RasulAllah said or did.

                  they are only reflective of what the people of that time CLAIMED that the rasulAllah said or did.

                  therefore, it is not a part of Islam

                  Peace khurram,

                  I see that you have identified the slippery slope of hadith!

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                    ayman
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                    Peace Khurram,

                    It is good to see you on the forum brother.

                    it is incorrect to say that belief in ahadith is limited to understanding the quran alone.
                    on the contrary, if one is believe in the ahadith, one is then paving the path for abrogation and paving the path for shirk.
                    WHY?
                    because the Ahadith claim to replace many Quranic injunctions and ADD on to them.
                    also, there is no such thing as belief in ahadith. those who believe the ahadith to be authentic, believe in the word of certain people. it is these people that they put their faith in. and this is shirk. the whole idea of believing that a person or persons are infallible is shirk. all humans can make mistakes, and therefore, the judgement of humans as to which ahadith is correct is also fallible.
                    THEREFORE , the ahadith are historical records and not wahi.
                    ahadith can best be used to see what the arabs of that time said about Din and about Muhammad.
                    the AHADITH are in now way representative of waht the RasulAllah said or did.
                    they are only reflective of what the people of that time CLAIMED that the rasulAllah said or did.
                    therefore, it is not a part of Islam

                    Well said.

                    Peace,

                    Ayman

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                      yfn123
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                      Peace Khurram,

                      Is that you from amongbelievers group? One more is that your photo? Just curious...

                      Anwar Azim

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                        Khurram,

                        Are you the one who post on wideminds as well?

                        Peace

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                          andy
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                          Ha... Ha... Im sorry bro, but the reason I asked you that question was because I assumed your name 'Bubba' is inspired by the shrimp loving character in the movie 'Forest Gump' .

                          Bubba is a sister, isn't she? Please CMIIW

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                            unknownuser
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                            I can't prove it to you but trust me, i'm indeed a sister. I dont mind sister jankren call my bro P
                            Andy, what's CMIIW?

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                              adley
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                              Salaam Bubba,

                              As far as I know, Jankren is a bro. ;D
                              CMIIW = Correct Me If I'm Wrong

                              =adley=

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                                andy
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                                Salaam Bubba,

                                I can't prove it to you but trust me, i'm indeed a sister. I dont mind sister jankren call my bro P
                                Andy, what's CMIIW?

                                I trust you sis

                                CMIIW = Correct Me If I'm Wrong

                                Btw ...Jankren is a brother, isn't he? LOL

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                                  andy
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                                  Salaam Bubba,

                                  As far as I know, Jankren is a bro. ;D
                                  CMIIW = Correct Me If I'm Wrong

                                  =adley=

                                  Exactly adley!

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                                    adley
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                                    Salaam,

                                    LOL

                                    =adley=

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