Rahmadan- guide to fasting in Rahmadan
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Does it say in the Quran that you can eat after sunset, until sunrise during your "fast"?
It says eat at night untill the break of dawn/ the first light...
Personally, I dont break my fast at sunset ( for it is still light at sunset and also sunset is the time for evening prayer not eating) for I fear of breaking the fast early, but I break it when it is completely dark/ when I can see a planet or star in the sky. This way I know that I broke my fast at " night" and not at twilight or early, ect...
night = the period from sunset to dawn esp. the dark hours...
peace
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Peace Anthony,
You are making great progress.
2185 The Quran was sent down in the hottest month, to guide the people and to clarify the guidance and the Difference between Right and Wronge. So one should fast the month, whoever of you witnesses it. And whoever from among you is ill or traveling; then finish on other days.
God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the term, and glorify God for what He has guided you, that you may be thankful.
What yall think?Now compare your translation with 971 which says that the great reading was sent down in the night of measure
- We have sent it down in the night of measure.
Now there is a contradiction between your translation of 2185 and what 971 is saying.
Most people brush off this contradiction and instead continue to have faith in their traditions and their completely arbitrary and meaningless so-called Ramadan month. Instead, they should realize that there is an error in how 2185 is translated. Looking at Classical Arabic dictionaries, one can see that the original meaning of the word "shahr" is "full-moon" and this meaning fits perfectly in all the occurences of the word "shahr" in the great reading. So now we know that 2185 is talking about an event that can be witnessed and not a vague month with a meaningless name. The "red hot full-moon" is a well known cosmic event that is the first full-moon after the summer solstice (see my avatar). It is the easiest cosmic phenomenon to witness in the entire year in the entire night sky anywhere around the world.
Peace,
Ayman
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anthony - could you list the verse please- thanks.
2187 It has been made lawful for you during the night of fasting to approach your women sexually. They are a garment for you and you are a garment for them. God knows that you used to betray your souls so He has accepted your repentance, and forgiven you; now you may approach them and seek what God has written for you. And you may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then you shall complete the fast until night; and do not approach them while you are devoted in the temples. These are God?s boundaries, so do not transgress them. It is thus that God makes His revelations clear to the people that they may be righteous.
Peace Anthony,
You are making great progress.
Now compare your translation with 971 which says that the great reading was sent down in the night of measure
- We have sent it down in the night of measure.
Now there is a contradiction between your translation of 2185 and what 971 is saying.
Most people brush off this contradiction and instead continue to have faith in their traditions and their completely arbitrary and meaningless so-called Ramadan month. Instead, they should realize that there is an error in how 2185 is translated. Looking at Classical Arabic dictionaries, one can see that the original meaning of the word "shahr" is "full-moon" and this meaning fits perfectly in all the occurences of the word "shahr" in the great reading. So now we know that 2185 is talking about an event that can be witnessed and not a vague month with a meaningless name. The "red hot full-moon" is a well known cosmic event that is the first full-moon after the summer solstice (see my avatar). It is the easiest cosmic phenomenon to witness in the entire year in the entire night sky anywhere around the world.
Peace,
Ayman
peace
il get back later, God willin.........still studyin it.......thnx 4 da info...
peace
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"RMDh" = "extreme/intense/blazing heat; scorching heat"
Peace.
Peace
NO....NO nope.....NO brickwall......... tempt
LET GOD TELL US
Extreme and intense Heat isPart of 9-81 (
Those who were left behind rejoiced in their inaction behind the back of the Messenger of Allah they hated to strive and fight with their goods and their persons, in the Cause of Allah they said "Go not forth in the heat. Say "The fire of Hell is fiercer in heat." If only they could understand! (9-81)
Why God did not use the Word Ramadan Instead of "Har" or "Al-Har"? brickwall
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Nor are the (chilly) shade and the extreme heat of the sun (35-21)Why again God ignored the use of Rammadan instead of "Harror" brickwall
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It is Allah who made out of the things He created, some things to give you shade; of the hills He made some for your shelter; He made you garments to protect you from heat, and coats of mail to protect you from your (mutual) violence. Thus does He complete his favours on you, that ye may surrender to His will (in Islam). (16-81)
Heat is "Har" and never the Word Rammadan. yes
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Therefore do I warn you of a Fire blazing fiercely; (92-14)(
By no means! For it would be the blazing Heat of Hell! (70-15)NOW, Where is Your and Ayman and every body who claim Rammadan to mean Heat, proof FROM QURAN. OTHERWISE, you are Misleading People From the TRue Meaning of Quranic Words.
jedi -
Salaaman Anthony,
I am also on the same boat brother... yes
It says eat at night untill the break of dawn/ the first light...
Personally, I dont break my fast at sunset ( for it is still light at sunset and also sunset is the time for evening prayer not eating) for I fear of breaking the fast early, but I break it when it is completely dark/ when I can see a planet or star in the sky. This way I know that I broke my fast at " night" and not at twilight or early, ect...
night = the period from sunset to dawn esp. the dark hours...
peace
Layl has been described in detail in AlQuraan as in
106 (night and day are mukhtalif),
1712 (very clear definition of Layl and Nahaar),
3637 (another very clear definition of Layl)But unfortunately, most of the people break their fast near to end. I think this has been planned and spread in Muslims to make their fast void. And they follow.
May Allah guide us all towards the correct path.
Regards,
mmKhan -
Salaaman Ayman,
You wrote
one can see that the original meaning of the word "shahr" is "full-moon" and this meaning fits perfectly in all the occurences of the word "shahr" in the great reading.How do you translate "ALSHSHAHRU ALHARAMU BIALSHSHAHRI ALHARAMI waalhurumatu qisasun famani iAAtada AAalaykum faiAAtadoo AAalayhi bimithli ma iAAtada AAalaykum waittaqoo Allaha waiAAlamoo anna Allaha maAAa almuttaqeena" 2194
Please explain.
Regards,
mmKhan -
Salaaman BelalHammad,
Very nice said sun
I am not 100% satisfied on any views yet... But your understanding gave me a new turn.
Regards,
mmKhanPeace;
I hope that God will lead you and others to the Truth.My advice to You is to not trust anybody but Allah; And Allah will never let you down, and will show you the truth in a way that you can't miss.
Happy Rammadan
Salam -
I dont mean to get off topic or nuthin but I have a ? and would like to know what yall think and also for us not to get off topic either...
But to help me wit this translation
O.k. we will use the word " month/ lets say 30 days"
what if a person fast for lets say 15 days and then on the 16th day he gets sick or something were he has to break the fast or he broke the fast unintentionaly ect... Do you think that he would have to only make up for that 1 day missed in another month or would he have to start the whole fast over beginng with the next month and then complete that whole month in order to complete a full term?
what i am seeing cant really put it in words without probly adding something ect... its like fast the whole month of Rahmadan, but if ill then fast the whole month of sawall ect...
or is it just make up for the days u missed in the other months...
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Yes, it is; either by fasting the same days that you breakfast or by feeding Poor people.
ok thanks,
so do u think it could be somethin like this
Whoever is ill or traveling , then " finish" during different times/months...
peace
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ok thanks,
so do u think it could be somethin like this
Whoever is ill or traveling , then " finish" during different times/months...
peace
It would translate as follow
by Counting (fa-3edat) from (min) days (Iyam) Later (Okar).Which means count the days that you missed fasting, and then make it up Later by fasting the same number of days you missed.
Peace
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Salaaman Belalhammad,
Peace;
I hope that God will lead you and others to the Truth.My advice to You is to not trust anybody but Allah; And Allah will never let you down, and will show you the truth in a way that you can't miss.
Happy Rammadan
SalamThank you... Jazaak Allah.
Happy Ramadhan to you and all. handshake
Regards,
mmKhan -
I'm not completely sure if "shahr" refers to the full moon itself - I haven't completely finished researching the issue
Peace,
I too have started researching this issue.
4615...and the weaning of him is thirty (30) months, till when he attains full strength and reaches forty years...
The correlation between months and years above is clear.
Referencing "ramadhan" as it's own "month" isn't based on the reading, especially considering the fact that we have no evidence that there was a month named "Ramadhan" during Mohammed's lifetime.
"RMDh" = "extreme/intense/blazing heat; scorching heat"
Then what was the name of the month; shall we call it -- August?
au?gust (? gust′
adjective- inspiring awe and reverence; imposing and magnificent
- worthy of respect because of age and dignity, high position, etc.; venerable
"shahru ramadhan" is not a "month", and nowhere in al-Qur'an does it say to fast for a "whole month".
492...so who does not find, so fasting two months following each other
Therefore, fast a ?whole month? then fast another ?whole month? is in Quran.
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Peace -
If the sea were an inkwell and the tress were pens the sea would run out before the words of my Lord run out...
the quran was sent down the hottest moon...
the Quran was sent down the Rahmadan moon...
the Quran was sent down the hottest month...
the quran was sent down the Rahmadan month...
the Quran was sent down the hottest period
the Quran was sent down the Rahmadan period...
The Quran was sent down the hottest measure of time...
the quran was sent down the Rahmadan measure of time...
the quran was sent down the hottest four weeks....
the quran was sent down the Rahmadan four weeks...
the Quran was sent down the hottest one twelfth of a year...
the Quran was sent down the Rahmadan one thwelth of a year...
the Quran was sent down the hottest 30 days....
the quran was sent down the Rahmadan 30 days...
" You shall make it clear to the people and not conceal it."
The Quran was sent down in the hottest month...
The Quran was sent down in the Rahmadan month...
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The Quran was sent down the Scorching moon...
the quran was sent down the scorching month...
a sorching period...
a scorching 30 days...
ect......
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492...so who does not find, so fasting two months following each other
Therefore, fast a ?whole month? then fast another ?whole month? is in Quran.
Peace
I was talking about during "shahru ramadhan", not during other periods.
If you base the meaning of "shahr" as "month", there not enough information in al-Qur'an to determine exactly when this month begins, exactly how long it lasts, and what are the signs to signify the exact dates. We're not talking about generally fasting/abstaining, we're talking about "shahru ramadhan".
Peace.
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Salaaman Ahmed Bilal,
If you base the meaning of "shahr" as "month", there not enough information in al-Qur'an to determine exactly when this month begins, exactly how long it lasts, and what are the signs to signify the exact dates.
Oops! &
I think it is better to say we have not reached upto the correct aayat or we have not yet clarified that part by Allah.
Because AlQuraan is a complete book with details.Regards,
mmKhan -
Salaaman Ahmed Bilal,
Oops! &
I think it is better to say we have not reached upto the correct aayat or we have not yet clarified that part by Allah.
Because AlQuraan is a complete book with details.Regards,
mmKhanHello
It is clarified if you translate shahru and ramadhan correctly.
Paix.