Happy Ramadan
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Ra-Miim-Dad = to be burning, heat, be blasted by the sun. ramaDda - to sharpen (a spear) between stones, roast, pasture on a burning ground, burn. ramDda - scorching heat, burning hot (ground). ramadzan - the ninth month of Islamic calendar, the month of fast.
ramadan n. 2185
Source http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm
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Peace Farida,
I would relly appreciate if you could tell me the meaning of the Arabic word "Umar"?
peaceI assume that you are asking about the proper name Umar (since you capitalized the U). The proper name Umar is meaningless. It is just a meaningless label. It is as meaningless as other proper names such as Farida and Ayman. Hence those names are not translated when we speak in English. As for the common noun, you can see the meanings here
http//www.baheth.info/all.jsp?term=
I hope that you can see why it is not surprising that people who don't know what "ramadan" means are clueless about when it occurs because they assume that the word is meaningless and thus completely ignore it. In reality it is not meaningless and the meaning fits perfectly in the context of determining the timing.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Belal,
You don't even know the meaning of the Arabic word "ramadan". So how can you wish happy something that you don't know to people?
Peace,
Ayman
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Ayman, calm down! Do you experience this state of Stress (Fojoor) every Ramadan?
Are you Angry because you are the only so called Moslem (and your Sects) who believes that Ramadan in June and fasting is Ten Days?
Will confused? !that could cause Stress.Now, my advice to you is to either reevaluate your position, or come up with a logic conclusion that can make sense to you (so you can feel better and make peace with yourself) and maybe Moslem would listen to it.
Now, What does Rammadan Means?
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Peace Belal,
Ayman, calm down! Do you experience this state of Stress (Fojoor) every Ramadan?
Are you Angry because you are the only so called Moslem (and your Sects) who believes that Ramadan in June and fasting is Ten Days?
Will confused? !that could cause Stress.
Now, my advice to you is to either reevaluate your position, or come up with a logic conclusion that can make sense to you (so you can feel better and make peace with yourself) and maybe Moslem would listen to it.
Now, What does Rammadan Means?As I said and you admitted, you don't know what "ramadan" means. You should find out what it means instead of wasting your time on empty rhetoric.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Farida,
I assume that you are asking about the proper name Umar (since you capitalized the U). The proper name Umar is meaningless. It is just a meaningless label. It is as meaningless as other proper names such as Farida and Ayman. Hence those names are not translated when we speak in English. As for the common noun, you can see the meanings here
http//www.baheth.info/all.jsp?term=
I hope that you can see why it is not surprising that people who don't know what "ramadan" means are clueless about when it occurs because they assume that the word is meaningless and thus completely ignore it. In reality it is not meaningless and the meaning fits perfectly in the context of determining the timing.
Peace,
Ayman
Salaam Ayman,
I am sorry I should have written "omar"/ but, as there is no capital in the turkish language, dont take it as name but just a an Arabic word and I will appreciate if you could give me its meaning please!!!!
peace
BTW farida means unique and I don't use a capital as you can see above. -
Salaam Ayman,
I am sorry I should have written "omar"/ but, as there is no capital in the turkish language, dont take it as name but just a an Arabic word and I will appreciate if you could give me its meaning please!!!!
peace
BTW farida means unique and I don't use a capital as you can see above.The word as RSW pointed out means prosporous, full of life, long-living, etc. As with all translations, it would really depend on the context which of the meanings one would use. So it would help if you put it in a sentence.
As for "farida" meaning unique, if you are using it as a common noun then you should translate it in this English conversation like all common nouns. It is only proper names that are not translated. Capitalization is not the main criteria since we don't speak in capital and yet we are able to tell in a conversation a proper name from a common noun. We can tell based on context.
I hope I have answered your question.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Ayman,
Are you saying we should fast/abstain (from food, sex, und so weiter) in the hottest month of the year instead of a particular month in the lunar calendar which may be a very cool one? If that's the case, it's not really Ramadan here in Pakistan because the weather's improved; it's not so hot anymore.
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Peace Supernaut,
Are you saying we should fast/abstain (from food, sex, und so weiter) in the hottest month of the year instead of a particular month in the lunar calendar which may be a very cool one? If that's the case, it's not really Ramadan here in Pakistan because the weather's improved; it's not so hot anymore.
Unfortunately, as you intuitively concluded, in Pakistan and elsewhere people generally ignore the clear meaning of the word "ramadan". So it is not surprising that sectarians are now fasting a completely random month. The common noun "ramadan" means "scorching" and "shahr" means "full-moon". So 2185 is giving us the marker as the "scorching full-moon" (also known as "red moon" in ancient cultures). This is a well-known universal cosmic phenomenon that occurs near the summer solstice (see my avatar) and that everyone can witness, not some arbitrary month in a manmade calendar. Please see the following article for more details
http//www.free-minds.org/articles/science/timing.htm
Peace,
Ayman
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The word as RSW pointed out means prosporous, full of life, long-living, etc. As with all translations, it would really depend on the context which of the meanings one would use. So it would help if you put it in a sentence.
I hope I have answered your question.
Peace,
Ayman
Salaam Ayman
Thank you for addressing my question, the reason I asked this is becasue you are particular with words and their meaning, when you mentioned the second Khalifa Omar in one of your post, how come you called him Omar when he is long dead and can?t be called ?full of life?. Just as you only associate ramadan with scorching heat and would not accept it as a noun.
My opinion is that we always had a lunar calendar and there is a reason why we are supposed to experience abstention in all seasons in a cycle of 30 years. The Qur?an was first revealed during the hot summer time and that is a clue for the Leilatul Qadr and, I believe, as time went by, the month of fasting was given the name Ramadan as it was given that status.
peace
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Peace Farida,
Thank you for addressing my question, the reason I asked this is becasue you are particular with words and their meaning, when you mentioned the second Khalifa Omar in one of your post, how come you called him Omar when he is long dead and can?t be called ?full of life?. Just as you only associate ramadan with scorching heat and would not accept it as a noun.
You don't seem to know the difference between common nouns and proper names. I accept "ramadan" as a common noun not as a proper name. On the other hand, the proper name Omar is meaningless. As you said, we can be sure that people named Omar aren't more full of life than anyone else and that king Omar is long dead. I am also sure that many people named Omar lived a very short life. So as a proper name, Omar is meaningless and in fact it can be the opposite of what it commonly means. Now if you want to take words in 2185 such as "ramadan", "huda", "miskin" or any word in the passage as proper names which are meaningless and could mean the opposite of what is being said so that "ramadan" can be cold and "huda" can be lost and "miskin" can be rich then be my guest and good luck understanding the universal concepts that the god is communicating.
My opinion is that we always had a lunar calendar and there is a reason why we are supposed to experience abstention in all seasons in a cycle of 30 years. The Qur?an was first revealed during the hot summer time and that is a clue for the Leilatul Qadr and, I believe, as time went by, the month of fasting was given the name Ramadan as it was given that status.
Who gave this name Ramadan after the fact and when did he do it? Do you know the name of that person or who he is?
Also, are you talking about Leila the meaningless name or about the common concept of "night"? If you are talking about the common concept then you should translate it because unlike the proper name it is not meaningless. Same goes for "qadr" (measure) and "ramadan" (scorching).
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Farida,
Who gave this name Ramadan after the fact and when did he do it? Do you know the name of that person or who he is?
Peace,
Ayman
Salaam Ayman
It could be someone like you but surely he has a bigger following than you will ever have.
All I know is with time people start to give name to events you never know sometime in furture people will think 9/11 was some special day.peace
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Peace Farida,
It could be someone like you but surely he has a bigger following than you will ever have.
All I know is with time people start to give name to events you never know sometime in furture people will think 9/11 was some special day. peaceYour entire argument hinges on "ramadan" being a meaningless proper name. You admit that this name Ramadan is a name that someone who you don't know named after the fact of the revelation of the great reading. You don't know anything about this proper name or who invented it and all you can give is conjecture from your imagination. I advise you to ponder on this passage and hopefully see that there is a better way instead of empty boasting about number of followers
- These are but names that you named, you and your forefathers that the god never authorized. They follow conjecture and what the selves fantasize, while the guidance has come to them from their Lord.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace be upon all,
I'm still fairly new to studying the God's book as it should be studied and understood. Many times I come to this forum to try and find any new information that can help improve my understanding or something that I may have overlooked. I've been a true muslim by the God's permission for a year now and of course, like salat, fasting is an important topic to understand properly. To be honest, I'm a little disheartened by some of these posts, seeing some personal insults fly, which just doesn't aid arriving at the truth. Isn't it the TRUTH that should be of primary importance?
Let me say from the start that I am not trying to defend Br. Ayman per se but after being a sunni for 14 years, being fed so many lies against the God and His messengers, when people present their opinions I'd like to see strong evidence from the reading primarily relying on the meanings of words, context and 'tarteel' arranging similar verses for investigation. Since I am new, I have no particular leaning to anyone as I have not even met anyone here in person I only go by what people present as evidence. For me, since the God stresses often that this is an arabic reading then that tells me that the meanings of the words used in arabic is significant and of primary importance. It is and has proven very easy for people to in usage and the passage of time to convince others that certain words have certain meanings when they don't and have the true meanings forgotten. The God in His mercy, since He promised to protect this message, if one truly wants the real message and one studies the book as He tells us to, we can see clearly which of those words and concepts have become corrupted in people's minds and practice but not in the book.
As far as shahr ramadan is concerned, it seems a quite unjust assessment that the literal arabic word means 'scorching heat' and concepts related but yet the God intended that it would actually occur any time during the year. In my study of the reading thus far, I only find the God to be very precise, since He is the God, not like us humans being vague at times. Does anyone here for example believe it's just to assign an arabic word an english meaning that doesn't fit it literally and has it's own cultural background even if it 'seems' related? Like translating deen as 'religion' as opposed to 'obligation' or ibaadah (from 'abada' as 'worship' instead of 'service/ serving'. Otherwise, what would be the point of the God stressing that it's an arabic reading if we can just understand it how we like or someone else likes?
I agree with Ayman's study not because Br. Ayman did it but because in all fairness he presented an opinion with his evidence and I checked it out myself with the reading and I agree with it and I have no rebuttal for it either. However, that's because my basis is that it's an arabic reading, consistent, not an arab reading nor a sunni reading or whatever. Please let us all be sincere and scholarly in the study of the God's words as it is very serious. We can see how the many sects have gone far astray from abandoning true study of the book. Also, we can disagree, of course so let's just be respectful of each other in that regard. )
Sincerely,
Umm Tariq -
Peace be upon all,
I'm still fairly new to studying the God's book as it should be studied and understood. Many times I come to this forum to try and find any new information that can help improve my understanding or something that I may have overlooked. I've been a true muslim by the God's permission for a year now and of course, like salat, fasting is an important topic to understand properly. To be honest, I'm a little disheartened by some of these posts, seeing some personal insults fly, which just doesn't aid arriving at the truth. Isn't it the TRUTH that should be of primary importance?
Salaam umm Tariq,
I understand your frustration with the Sunni mentality, sometime negative experiences, can lead person too much in the opposite direction, and one may end up rejecting even practices, which were applied by the prophet himself and practiced by his companions after him.
Our duty is to investigate in details what was the real practice or when it started to fade away; after all prophet Muhammad was not just a postman, nor was he an ordinary man that his practice would be forgotten as soon as he died. (Here I am talking about practice not hadiths)
Even people who were taken away as young slaves and were forced to forego their religion retained information about their roots so, how come term Ramadan got so messed up so quickly?As i understand one has to apply logic and look at the wider meaning, fasting is recommended for us "as its better for us" and experiencing fasting through different seasons is a unique experience which only followers of the Quran experience and thus can relate to hunger and thirst in all sorts of weather. We have to understand the essence of fasting; the depth behind this obligation and, as a new member, Kakuta wrote today ?Even Jesus (pbuh) came to bring back the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law?
So yes the language is Arabic but seek the wider meaning. For example we read this verse
And had We made it a non-Arabic compilation, they would have saidIf only its verses were made clear!Non-Arabic and Arabic, sayFor those who believe, it is a guide and healing. As for those who disbelieve, there is deafness in their ears, and they are blind to it. These will be called from a place far away.``(Qur`an 4144)Now if we start to take the literal meaning of the above verse we might be led to believe that deafness is caused by disbelief.
peace
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Salam Farida,
"I understand your frustration with the Sunni mentality, sometime negative experiences, can lead person too much in the opposite direction, and one may end up rejecting even practices, which were applied by the prophet himself and practiced by his companions after him.
Our duty is to investigate in details what was the real practice or when it started to fade away; after all prophet Muhammad was not just a postman, nor was he an ordinary man that his practice would be forgotten as soon as he died. (Here I am talking about practice not hadiths)
Even people who were taken away as young slaves and were forced to forego their religion retained information about their roots so, how come term Ramadan got so messed up so quickly?"(Btw, how do we make a copy of someone's statement in the blue box like I see with everyone?)
I appreciate you sharing your understanding of how to understand Allah's book but I will have to disagree. I didn't mean the sunni mentality per se but the practice of just interpreting Allah's book the way one feels like and not in the least referring to how the God Himself tells us to understand it. For me, the only certainty is in the God's book, not in history books, hadith books nor even dictionaries. I believe that the practices of the Prophet and those who believed with him are truthfully, and without doubt narrated to us in the God's book, I would not reject those. I'm curious, where do you get this expression 'nor was he an ordinary man that his practice would be forgotten as soon as he died'? The God informs us in two verses that he was to tell the people that he was 'only human' like the rest of us so I understand that clearly to mean that he was like the rest of us in every human way. He had to learn from the God what he didn't know like us, he had to ask the God to increase him in knowledge like us, he made mistakes like any human can etc. If you are not talking about hadiths, then those practices are in the book. I do not see that in the book that the term ramadan is messed up at all.
"As i understand one has to apply logic and look at the wider meaning,"
I don't agree that these are the first steps to gain understanding otherwise the God would have said it first. I first follow what the God said pertaining to the fact that He has brought us the truth and the best explanation, that we should arrange the similar verses, that He has not placed any crookedness in it and that overall, it is complete, perfected and fully detailed/ explained."
"fasting is recommended for us "as its better for us" and experiencing fasting through different seasons is a unique experience which only followers of the Quran experience and thus can relate to hunger and thirst in all sorts of weather. We have to understand the essence of fasting; the depth behind this obligation and, as a new member, Kakuta wrote today ?Even Jesus (pbuh) came to bring back the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law?"
The verse about fasting clearly says, "Fasting has been prescribed/ decreed upon you all as it was prescribed/ decreed upon those before you so that perhaps you fear/ are prudent/ careful." I see this as the reason or purpose, since the God said so, and in the end of the next verse the God mentions, "...and that you fast is better for you if you knew." It didn't stop with 'it's better for us' but continued with 'if you knew' so does that mean that we may not know the full significance but of course we should do it anyway? I like to stick to and rely on what the God clearly says, as I can be certain about that. Your statement about fasting the different seasons as it's unique and all, if the God told us that I would believe it but human's words can be rejected. The quote about Jesus, I don't find this statement in the God's book so how can I believe it especially when the God's book clearly quotes Jesus as saying what he came to do? It had nothing to do with 'spirit' which is again a vague term in english that people can understand in different ways.
"So yes the language is Arabic but seek the wider meaning. For example we read this verse
And had We made it a non-Arabic compilation, they would have saidIf only its verses were made clear!Non-Arabic and Arabic, sayFor those who believe, it is a guide and healing. As for those who disbelieve, there is deafness in their ears, and they are blind to it. These will be called from a place far away.``(Qur`an 4144)Now if we start to take the literal meaning of the above verse we might be led to believe that deafness is caused by disbelief."
Sis, the verse is clearly saying that for those who disbelieve, 'there is deafness IN their ears and they are blind to it...". In no way do the words convey a meaning that the deafness is caused by disbelief. Back 14 years ago when I first read the sunni english translation of the meanings of the reading I thought why is the God so against deaf people?! ;D I knew it would take me some time to understand everything properly but soon enough I realized in these verses deafness is used clearly in the allegorical sense not literal otherwise there would be a contradiction in the book. The context makes it clear especially if you put the relevant verses all together. Also note the first part of this verse, they would complain that why aren't it's verses made clear. This is another sign to me that the God intends this book to be clear right away from the language itself and more so thereafter when one applies His method otherwise we could use it as an excuse to disbelieve since 'it's not clear'.
About the word 'shahr' why I agree that it takes it's old or original arabic meaning of 'full moon' in the reading is when I do 'tarteel' of the verses and I found these verses as well "Verily we caused it to come down in/ within a blessed night..." Dukhan3 and also "Verily we caused it to come down in/ within the night of qadr." al-Qadr1 When we put these two, talking about the sending down of the book/ quran with 2185, the same subject, these verses clearly say in a night and not 'nights'. If shahr meant month then these verses would seem like a contradiction. He would have said during 'nights' or something to that effect since this book is consistent with itself. This to me gives weight that shahr means 'full moon' in the reading, at least pertaining to this topic. Is there something wrong with taking the literal meanings first? Otherwise then where do we begin? To me that is what leaves the door wide open for anyone to say what they want and try to make the book look like that's what it's saying, like the sunnis and others. The God addressed this in Surah 37. The crux of the book has verses which are muhkamaat and the others are mutashaabihaat, resembling. To me, the God is telling us that those who truly study the book know that to arrive at the proper understanding of these latter verses one must arrange them and not just take some here and some there. We can do this with all of the contents of the book.
This tarteel of the book is a good example of how people can interpret the book in anyway. As a sunni we were always taught that tarteel is the long recitation of the reading, especially at night in 'salat' when the verse in question doesn't even mention the word salat in relation to this. I had never known there was another meaning of arranging similar things until after becoming a true muslim. From where did they get this meaning, out of the air? I find it in my contemporary dictionaries which I know are influenced by sunnism but the other meaning is still listed. What is wrong with using this 'literal' meaning first and foremost, they totally discredit it. In all the 14 years I was doing their tarteel I didn't even learn HALF as much as I have with the real tarteel in these past months subhanallah.
A good example is with the timings of the salat, the first verse 11114 desribes them in physical detail only. If someone where to stop there there can be alot of confusion. In the next verse, 1778 the God gives more clarity to restrict what the first one is saying since His verses are consistent. Even with this verse, not taking the other with it as tarteel, the sunnis say that 'duluk ash-shams' is referring to when the sun inclines from noon thus to include their false salat ul-zhurh, salat ul-asr and salat ul-maghrib. I was shocked that when I looked in my contemporary dictionary and they don't even list such a meaning, where did they get it from, are they arab or not? Then the third verse 2458 refers to these 2 times by using noun phrases, salat ul-fajr and salat-isha. At least, if there was truly a salat ul-zhuhr as the sunnis and others claim, the God would have used mention of it in this verse as a marker as well to certain activities like He did the other two. Do you see what I mean? This is why I am certain we should start with the literal and then take it from there. Words that have several meanings, you have to start with one and if the context doesn't allow it then you go to the next correct? As well, our biggest aid is the tarteel that the God directed us all to as shown by the simple example of the salat times. However, this is only my humble opinion based on the God's verses.
I hope you accept what I have written in sincerity. This is the understanding that I have come to after much study and reflection by putting into practice the God's advice, which I fully trust. I am happy to continue any discussion because I am only trying to learn.
Sincerely,
Umm Tariq -
Salaam Umm Tariq
(Btw, how do we make a copy of someone's statement in the blue box like I see with everyone?)
If you want it like this, click on "quote" on the top of the right side of the post you want to quote, choose whatever part you want of it and delete the rest. But make sure to keep the second "quote" at the end of the quoted post without deletion.
If you want it like this
(Btw, how do we make a copy of someone's statement in the blue box like I see with everyone?)
Copy the part you want from the post, click on the second icon to your right on the second line of icons on the "post reply" page. You will have this "quote""quote". Paste your copied part between the two s, or just type and paste your copied part between them (but write quote instead of quot'. If I write "quote" between these square brackets, it will change into a real quote and will not show the way I want it)