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Number of wives?

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    Al_Araf
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    salam muslimthreadrevealed.

    you forge lies against allah with your claims that polygyny is not supported.

    allah exposes lies with the truth.

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      Assalaam Alaikum @Nun

      Again, its obvious you do NOT study the Quran in the language of the Quran.

      Nisa does NOT mean 'wives'

      When Allah refer's to 'wives' Allah uses the term 'Imraatan'

      When Allah refers to (a gender neutral reference) 'mates' Allah uses the term 'azwajan'

      Now again before I choose to engage you any further, lets get the basics down first.

      Im still awaiting a response to my request regarding your translation of 33.37

      Please showme the arabic statements for

      1. '3337 And when you say to who God blessed/comforted and eased on him...'
      2. 'him'
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        Al_Araf
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        salam muslimthreadrevealed.

        im sure you know what to do. go to the temple of the idol worshippers at ptah. youre much happier with them.

        allah exposes lies with the truth.

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          Mazhar
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          When Allah refer's to 'wives' Allah uses the term 'Imraatan'

          What about 'Imraatan' of 2723 "I found 'Imraatan' ruling over them"

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            Assalaam Alaikum @Nun

            Again, its obvious you do NOT study the Quran in the language of the Quran.

            Nisa does NOT mean 'wives'

            When Allah refer's to 'wives' Allah uses the term 'Imraatan'

            When Allah refers to (a gender neutral reference) 'mates' Allah uses the term 'azwajan'

            Now again before I choose to engage you any further, lets get the basics down first.

            Im still awaiting a response to my request regarding your translation of 33.37

            Please showme the arabic statements for

            1. '3337 And when you say to who God blessed/comforted and eased on him...'
            2. 'him'

            Greeting@Muslimtruthrevealed,

            OK I'll be nice and ignore the know it all pseudo-intellectual comments.

            I posted...

            Ya nisaa alnnabiyyi...
            3332 You, the prophet's women (wives)...

            The prophet's women (wives, plural in parentheses) whereas imraatu when referring to one.

            Also was posted the entire context from 3332-37 including...

            3337 Wa-ith taqoolu lillathee anAAama Allahu AAalayhi...

            Do you disagree prophets had more than one woman/wife?

            Also, why avoid not answering a simple question; is below person/name or a verb?

            3144 Wama muhammadun illa rasoolun..

            3340 Ma kana muhammadun...

            4829 Muhammadun rasoolu Allahi

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              Mazhar
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              And what about this? Would you translate it as "wife" even before deciding to enter into Nikah?

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                Mazhar
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                Nisa does NOT mean 'wives'

                When Allah refer's to 'wives' Allah uses the term 'Imraatan'

                I hope it is admitted that divorce is given only to wife and not to mother and sister.
                Pl see 6501,04 who are being given divorce "Nisa" or Imraatan.

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                  I hope it is admitted that divorce is given only to wife and not to mother and sister.
                  Pl see 6501,04 who are being given divorce "Nisa" or Imraatan.

                  Peace Mazhar,

                  Good points above -- always read Quran in context and cross-reference to get best meaning.

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                    Mazhar
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                    When Allah refers to (a gender neutral reference) 'mates' Allah uses the term 'azwajan'

                    This too is a wrong perception;

                    If "azwajan" is merely "mate" and not 'wife' how has she been made pregnant?

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                      Al_Araf
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                      salam mazhar. i could not stop laughing. i did not want to laugh.

                      yes, how can a man get pregnant? like i said before how can a man have menstruation?

                      i know superior western enlightened people have been to the moon and back. is there something new they have, men who get pregnant and menstruate?

                      majnoon dhimmi.

                      allah is the truth.

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                        Muslimtruthrevealed
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                        Assalaam Alaikum @Nun

                        We went over this already.... Here is the answer....again

                        Ya Nominative Case

                        ?Ya? used to express feelings or affection towards someone or something when followed by a verbal noun or Nominative Case.
                        Language of the Holy Quran, page 400

                        Next point relative to the topic please.......

                        @Mazhar...By the way, I dont play 'hide and seek' or the 'shell game' with the Quranic ayahs

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                          Muslimtruthrevealed
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                          What about 'Imraatan' of 2723 "I found 'Imraatan' ruling over them"

                          imraa meaning man or woman, person, human being, one who thinks or considers; Root word marra means to scan, examine, peruse, pass in review
                          Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. Page 1056 (marra) page 1058 (mara?a)

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                            Assalaam Alaikum @Nun

                            We went over this already.... Here is the answer....again

                            Ya Nominative Case

                            ?Ya? used to express feelings or affection towards someone or something when followed by a verbal noun or Nominative Case.
                            Language of the Holy Quran, page 400

                            Next point relative to the topic please.......

                            Salam -- you addressed nothing relative to topic only Hans Wehr definitions...lol

                            Do you disagree prophets had more than one woman/wife?

                            Why do you avoid answering a simple question; is below person/name or a verb? Yes/No will suffice.

                            3144 Wama muhammadun illa rasoolun..

                            3340 Ma kana muhammadun...

                            4829 Muhammadun rasoolu Allahi

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                              Muslimtruthrevealed
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                              This too is a wrong perception;

                              If "azwajan" is merely "mate" and not 'wife' how has she been made pregnant?

                              @Mazhar "azwajan" is NOT in the arabic you posted!

                              I see which means 'from the female mates/wives', there is the 3rd person, feminine pronoun 'ha' affixed to the words 'min' and 'zawja'

                              Now lets stay on topic...'Number of Wives'....

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                                Salam -- you addressed nothing relative to topic only Hans Wehr definitions...lol

                                Do you disagree prophets had more than one woman/wife?

                                Assalaam Alaikum @Nun...

                                Im not avoiding anything, personally I dont have to answer any question. Thus I reserve the right to respond to those questions and inquiries that specific to the topic and conducive to informing the audience. If you wish to discuss the 'Muhammadun' of the Quran, create a thread, I will participate.

                                O those who believe in the Prophet! We have made lawful to you thy wives to whom you have paid their dowers; and those whom you have control of leading to the right/blessings whom Allah has assigned to you; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with you; and ANY BELIEVING WOMAN WHO DEDICATES HER SOUL TO THE PROPHET IF THE PROPHET WISHES TO WED HER;- THIS ONLY FOR YOU / yastankihaha/ khalisatan/ , AND NOT FOR THE BELIEVERS (AT LARGE); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the those whom they have control of leading to the right/blessings;- in order that there should be no difficulty for you. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

                                yastankihaha/ khalisatan/

                                Yastankihaha (imperfect, 3rd person) wish to marry
                                Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 577 (nakaha)

                                Khalisatan (active participle) Distinct Quality, Someone with exclusive right, one who is pure, genuine, best choice, most excellent; Mukh-la-san / Mukh-lee-san means one who is Chosen, Chosen by Allah, pure from pollution or hypocrisy, pure & sincere towards Allah, purely believing in the unity of Allah (applied to a Human)
                                Lanes Lexicon Volume 2 page 785-787;
                                Online Single Page http//www.studyquran.co.uk/LLhome.htm
                                Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 161 (khalasa)

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                                  I hope it is admitted that divorce is given only to wife and not to mother and sister.
                                  Pl see 6501,04 who are being given divorce "Nisa" or Imraatan.

                                  Ya ayyuha alnnabiyyu itha tallaqtumu an-nisaa /

                                  Women

                                  Lets cease with the quiz show, lets stay on topic...'Number of Wives'....

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                                    greetings@Muslimtruthrevealed,

                                    Im not avoiding anything, personally I dont have to answer any question. Thus I reserve the right to respond to those questions and inquiries that specific to the topic and conducive to informing the audience. If you wish to discuss the 'Muhammadun' of the Quran, create a thread, I will participate.

                                    O those who believe in the Prophet!

                                    That?s OK you are free to run...lol

                                    First you post this...

                                    uuh excuse me, we are focusing on the arabic of the ayah NOT someone's translation. 'Zaid' s NOT in the arabic its 'zaydun'...a verb..NOT a noun.

                                    Now you run away from answering this...

                                    Wama muhammadun illa rasoolun...
                                    3144 And Muhammad is not except a messenger...

                                    Likewise ? which words did you translate as those who believe in verse below?

                                    3350 Ya ayyuha alnnabiyyu

                                    Perhaps this will work; we include definitions in all our posts... laugh

                                    Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
                                    Main Entry run
                                    Pronunciation \rn
                                    Function verb
                                    Inflected Form(s) ran \ran\ also chiefly dialect run; run; run?ning

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                                      Muslimtruthrevealed
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                                      And what about this? Would you translate it as "wife" even before deciding to enter into Nikah?

                                      Imraata / Imraatan is used interchangeably to refer wives or women.

                                      'Wife of Nuh', Wife of Lut' & 'Wife of Firawn' in Sura 66.10-11

                                      imraata Noohin wa imraata Lootin /
                                      imraata firAAawna /

                                      'Imraatan' in Sura 33.50 is referring to the 'Believing Women', which makes sense because its part of a Accusative Case Imraatan Muminatan /
                                      Tanween makes the words 'indefinite', thus indicating they are NOT 'wives' at this point, but 'Believing Women'

                                      Now lets get back to the topic 'Number of Wives'.....

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                                        Nun, I dont argue with the students....just bring the one who taught you. I would like to engage that individual.

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                                          Nun, I dont argue with the students....just bring the one who taught you. I would like to engage that individual.

                                          Sure, go ahead and argue...

                                          (&#65279 (&#65279
                                          Ar-Rahman, the Beneficent
                                          Teacher of the Qur'?n

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