Number of wives?
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Assalaam Alaikum
Excellent topic Simple. Unfortunately, (for the Men) the polgamy reference in Sura Nisa 43 is a mistranslation in english and misinterpretation along with a 'lustful' fallacy developed by Men.
Allah makes it clear.....
MARRY THOSE AMONG YOU WHO ARE SINGLE, and the virtuous ones among yourselves, male or female. if they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace. for Allah encompasseth all, and he knoweth all things.
Thus the ayah An-Nur 24.32 destroys the polygamous fallacy.
If the female Musilimah's gave the married Males who approach them Sura An-Nur 24.32, the fallacy and misinterpretation would cease to exist.
Now for those Men who believe they can still practice Polygamy, 'because Muhammad did'
Allah addresses these Men in the following Sura and ayahs....
Wa-ith taqoolu lillathee anAAama Allahu AAalayhi waanAAamta AAalayhi
amsik AAalayka zawjaka waittaqi Allaha / amsik AAalayka zawjaka waittaqi Allaha = Keep your dignity with your wife/mate and have regard for Allahwa tukhfee fee nafsika / and Be aware of your soul;your inner feelings
ma Allahu mubdeehi watakhsha alnnasa waAllahu ahaqqu an takhshahufa lamma qada zaydun minha wataran zawwaj nakaha li-kaa (for YOU) la yakoona AAala almu/mineena harajun fee azwaji adAAiya-ihim itha qadaw minhunna wataran wakana amru Allahi mafAAoolan
Any excesses (i.e. polygamy, oppressing women, etc.) that were practiced in regards to females and marriage have now ENDED and those practices should cease.
O those who believe in the Prophet! ....ANY BELIEVING WOMAN WHO DEDICATES HER SOUL TO THE PROPHET IF THE PROPHET WISHES TO WED HER;- THIS ONLY FOR YOU, AND NOT FOR THE BELIEVERS / waimraatan muminatan in wahabat nafsaha lilnnabiyyi in arada alnnabiyyu an yastankihaha/ khalisatan/ laka min dooni almumineena
Yastankihaha (imperfect, 3rd person) wish to marry
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 577 (nakaha)Khalisatan (active participle) Distinct Quality, Someone with exclusive right, one who is pure, genuine, best choice, most excellent; Mukh-la-san / Mukh-lee-san means one who is Chosen, Chosen by Allah, pure from pollution or hypocrisy, pure & sincere towards Allah, purely believing in the unity of Allah (applied to a Human)
Lanes Lexicon Volume 2 page 785-787;
Online Single Page http//www.studyquran.co.uk/LLhome.htm
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 161 (khalasa)
Sorry (ladies) gentlemen, Allah makes it clear you can nolonger practice excesses and marry all the women you want. The exclusive right to practice polygamy in its true sense was ONLY relegated to the Prophets of Allah
Now we can address Sura Nisa 43 in light of the truth.
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Assalaam Alaikum
Before we address Sura Nisa 43....
Allah continues to address the Men who still insist on 'slipping' by with 'exchanging' and changing their wife or wives for others.....amazing Allah knows Men are lustful and rebellious
It is not lawful for you (to marry more) women after this, NOR TO CHANGE THEM FOR (OTHER) WIVES, even though their beauty attract you, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens). and Allah doth watch over all things.
La yahillu laka alnnisaa min baAAdu wala an tabaddala bihinna min azwajin walaw aAAjabaka husnuhunna illa ma malakat yameenuka wakana Allahu AAala kulli shayin raqeeban
Sorry Gentlemen cant do that either.....
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Assalaam Alaikum
Ok Lets just jump to the chase....
I will NOT post the english translation, because EVERYONE I have encountered is wrong.....
Wain khiftum alla tuqsitoo fee alyatama fa inkihoo {MA TABA lakum minna alnnisai mathna wathulatha warubaAAa} fain khiftum alla taAAdiloo fawahidatan aw ma malakat aymanukum thalika adna alla taAAooloo
Wain khiftum alla tuqsitoo fee alyatama fa VERBAL SENTENCE >>> inkihoo ADVERBAL MODIFIERS >>> MA TABA lakum minna <<< GENITIVE >>> alnnisai ADJECTIVES >>> mathna wathulatha warubaAAa <<< fain khiftum alla taAAdiloo fa ADJECTIVE Subject (Al Nisa) >>>> wahidatan <<< aw ma malakat aymanukum thalika adna alla taAAooloo
It is Ma = NOT Taba = good/lawful Lakum =TO/For YOU to be given the Minna = favor/gift/blessing/benefit of Al Nisai = (get married to) Women Mathna = 2, Thulatha = 3, and Rubaa = 4 TIMES
IT IS NOT LAWFUL to divorce get married, divorce get married, divorce get married again and divorce and get married again (and in doing so leave a family behind EACH time!)
Al Yatama does NOT mean 'orphan'....
?Al? (adataatarif) is a Definite Article , used to give the meaning of ?Most, All, Complete, Maximum, Whole, and to denote comprehensiveness, all aspects or categories of a subject, or to denote perfection and includes all degrees and grades.
yatama sole, unmatched, single, lonely, jaded, one withoutparents; Root word atamm means more complete, more perfect, perfectly prepared, totally ready; Root word Tamm meaning consummate, of full value, self contained, needing no completion; Root word Tamma means to or become complete, completed, finished, done, to be performed, be accomplished, to come to an end;
Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. page 117-118 (tamma)When Allah references 'orphans' Allah uses the word 'yateem'
Al-Insan/Al-Dahr 76.8] And for His love they feed the food to the miskeen / the needy (who is reduced to poverty) and the yateem / orphan and aseer / captive.
No, No! but you honour not the orphans / al-yateema!
mathna wa thulatha wa rubaAAa does not mean two three and four because two, three and four in Arabic are ithnaan, thalatha and arbaa' and not mathna, thulatha and rubaa
ithnan means 2 thalatha means 3 arba?a means 4
Allah confirms the definitive use of ALL these cardinal / ordinal number references in the following ayahs
Praise be to Allah, Who created (out of nothing) the heavens and the earth, Who made the angels, messengers with wings,- two/ mathna, or three/ thulatha, or four/ rubaAAa. He adds to Creation as He pleases. for Allah has power over all things.
O you who believe! When death approaches any of you, (take) witnesses among yourselves when making bequests,- two / ithnani just men of your own
O, you who believe those whom your right possess and those among you who have not reach puberty, ask permission from you three / thalatha times/repetitions / marratin
For those who take an oath for abstention from their wives, a waiting for four / arbaAAati
sadeeqal atheemi / Allah has revealed the truth
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salam,
correct me if im wrong , if we are of different religons we will argue over our different faiths, if we are the same religion but different sects we will argue over the hadeeths of differnt men, so now we are of the same faith with one book, and by god you will argue over the different translations. >
angelNOW since this thread is about the number of wives, its very simple god has allowed men up too for wives on a condition he can be fair with all and equal, if not then one, but also he allowed it for the simple reason of that women who are widowed or divorced with children may have a husband and a father figuire. it is not a must that a man marry 4 but if he could then i beleive he should and if i were in a marriage, as a female i would have no problem with it, if god says it ok then who am i to judge and if it will make a family as in mother and children have a father and a husband, again no problem. how can i hate on it they are human as i am after all. peace -
salam,
correct me if im wrong , if we are of different religons we will argue over our different faiths, if we are the same religion but different sects we will argue over the hadeeths of differnt men, so now we are of the same faith with one book, and by god you will argue over the different translations. >
angelNOW since this thread is about the number of wives, its very simple god has allowed men up too for wives on a condition he can be fair with all and equal, if not then one, but also he allowed it for the simple reason of that women who are widowed or divorced with children may have a husband and a father figuire. it is not a must that a man marry 4 but if he could then i beleive he should and if i were in a marriage, as a female i would have no problem with it, if god says it ok then who am i to judge and if it will make a family as in mother and children have a father and a husband, again no problem. how can i hate on it they are human as i am after all. peaceThe point and fact of the matter is that it was the translator NOT Allah who stated Men can have up to 4 wives.
Besides the 'Sunna' that has been followed by ALL Humankind is ONE lifetime marriage with ONE mate, thats the 'Sunna' that has been established by Allah.
Now Allah states.....
Allah doth wish to make clear to you and to SHOW YOU THE SUNNA OF THOSE BEFORE YOU; and (He doth wish to) turn to you (In Mercy). And Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
Allah will is to Turn to you, but the WISH OF THOSE WHO FOLLOW THEIR LUSTS IS THAT YOU SHOULD TURN AWAY (from Allah),- far, far away.
Allah commands us to investigate and see what happened to those who followed 'another sunna'....
Many were the Ways of Life that have passed away before you. travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who rejected Truth.
Now just do some cursory investigation in your own community and understand the life experience of those who engaged in a polygamous relationship.
The 'Sunna' they followed will be defined by what has happened to the majority of those relationships.
Thus they do not believe in the (Message); but they follow the sunnah of the previous people.
Here is a PLAIN STATEMENT TO MEN, a guidance and instruction to those who fear Allah!
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salam.
you are misleading people with your false claims. polygyny is lawful in islam.
from abraham to muhammad, muslims had multiple wives. muslims had multiple wives in the presence of muahmmad.
your claims are utterly false. do not mislead people.
allah is the truth.
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salam.
you are misleading people with your false claims. polygyny is lawful in islam.
from abraham to muhammad, muslims had multiple wives. muslims had multiple wives in the presence of muahmmad.
your claims are utterly false. do not mislead people.
allah is the truth.
Assalaam Alaikum @Al Araf
I welcome your comments regarding the ayahs, and please indicate to me and the readers how I have mislead them as to what Allah,swt has revealed.
I look forward to your response to the subject.
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salam. when the quran specifically refers to marrying two, or three, or four wives, in 43, for you to claim more than one wife is prohibited by allah is misleading people. the quran says its allowed, the examples of muslims in the quran show it is allowed.
if you had any verse that says more than one wife is prohibited, you would need only one sentence to prove your point. flooding the thread with a thousand verses is you trying to cover up your tricks.
allah has a name for people who read to the quran for the purpose of misleading believers. allah calls them "listeners for the sake of a lie"
allah is the lawgiver.
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salam. when the quran specifically refers to marrying two, or three, or four wives, in 43, for you to claim more than one wife is prohibited by allah is misleading people. the quran says its allowed, the examples of muslims in the quran show it is allowed.
if you had any verse that says more than one wife is prohibited, you would need only one sentence to prove your point. flooding the thread with a thousand verses is you trying to cover up your tricks.
allah has a name for people who read to the quran for the purpose of misleading believers. allah calls them "listeners for the sake of a lie"
allah is the lawgiver.
And there is no ayah that prohibits slavery and so, you must be one big supporter of human trafficking.
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if you had any verse that says more than one wife is prohibited, you would need only one sentence to prove your point.
There's also no verse that prevents women having more than one husband, so you must be a big advocate of that too.
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There's also no verse that prevents women having more than one husband, so you must be a big advocate of that too.
salam
ummmmm yes i understand what you are trying to say, butttttttttt if a man with 4 wives gets them all pregnant......and then you have a female with 4 men and she gets pregnant, you following me here.yes
i personnally beelive that a man is allowed 4 wives and please dont take tht right from us as females. first our salat is taken away now are men. it is our right to pray to god through salat (as a ritual) and it is out right as woman to marry men who are already married, the only problem is men dont want.
tell me when wars happened in the olden days and women were left with no men, are they to be denied companionship for the rest of there lives, are they simply ignored and thrown to the side becuase are husbands died for the cause of god but now we pay the price but living alone till death.i wish more men stood up like real men and married those who have no husbands. men are those who make or break this world, and so far im sorry to say, men have done a great job of breaking. -
salam,
correct me if im wrong , if we are of different religons we will argue over our different faiths, if we are the same religion but different sects we will argue over the hadeeths of differnt men, so now we are of the same faith with one book, and by god you will argue over the different translations. >(There's no harm in arguing on different understandings as long as we agree on the main message (the straight path). The laws of marriage and food have nothing to do with the main message. God have changed them accross the different messengers. Besides, if everything is black and white, what's the meaning of this verse 3918?
angelNOW since this thread is about the number of wives, its very simple god has allowed men up too for wives on a condition he can be fair with all and equal, if not then one, but also he allowed it for the simple reason of that women who are widowed or divorced with children may have a husband and a father figuire. it is not a must that a man marry 4 but if he could then i beleive he should and if i were in a marriage, as a female i would have no problem with it, if god says it ok then who am i to judge and if it will make a family as in mother and children have a father and a husband, again no problem. how can i hate on it they are human as i am after all. peace
This is the problem with the common, traditional understanding of this verse. First of all, being just is not the main condition. It's a secondary condition for those who fulfill the first condition that allows them more than a wife; otherwise, it's a condition for everyone, or rather the duty of everyone even if they have one wife or no wife at all.
The second flawd unerstanding is the second bolded sentence. It's not about widowed women. It's about fatherless children. A child whose father is dead does not lose the father's figure by the death of his father, and it is not a must that every woman has a husband so once her husband dies she can go and snatch any married man. What about other widowers, divorced and single men?! Or simply not marrying if she can't find a husband? What about spinsters? Why don't they have this right?
if he could then i beleive he should and if i were in a marriage, as a female i would have no problem with it, if god says it ok then who am i to judge and if it will make a family as in mother and children have a father and a husband, again no problem. how can i hate on it they are human as i am after all. peace
And this is the result of such erronous understanding resulting from deleting the most important part of the verse and jumping to (then they can marry two's three's and four's) and the cause of so many broken homes and children lost to psychological problems.
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There's no harm in arguing on different understandings as long as we agree on the main message (the straight path). The laws of marriage and food have nothing to do with the main message. God have changed them accross the different messengers. Besides, if everything is black and white, what's the meaning of this verse 3918?
This is the problem with the common, traditional understanding of this verse. First of all, being just is not the main condition. It's a secondary condition for those who fulfill the first condition that allows them more than a wife; otherwise, it's a condition for everyone, or rather the duty of everyone even if they have one wife or no wife at all.
The second flawd unerstanding is the second bolded sentence. It's not about widowed women. It's about fatherless children. A child whose father is dead does not lose the father's figure by the death of his father, and it is not a must that every woman has a husband so once her husband dies she can go and snatch any married man. What about other widowers, divorced and single men?! Or simply not marrying if she can't find a husband? What about spinsters? Why don't they have this right?
And this is the result of such erronous understanding resulting from deleting the most important part of the verse and jumping to (then they can marry two's three's and four's) and the cause of so many broken homes and children lost to psychological problems.
why dont you wake up from your dream world and wake up to reality, all those broken homes or those phycological problems. they are casue becuase of what faith they do not have, you think god does not know what hes talking about .you know how many women divorce becasue there husbands cheat on them do you know how many broken homes and lost children because the men no longer are in love with there wives. thats reality. but if men were allowed to marry again even in the western society, life would be much simpler then what it is today, but then im dreaming because in order to ahve that people would have to have a great deal of faith and that unfortunatley we dont have, yes i am a female and even though i am divorced now, i was married once and i was hoping my ex husband would marry my friend for reasons or other. by the wway whats the count on men and women int his world wasnit it something like 7 to 1 or am i mistaken.
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salam
ummmmm yes i understand what you are trying to say, butttttttttt if a man with 4 wives gets them all pregnant......and then you have a female with 4 men and she gets pregnant, you following me here.yes
i personnally beelive that a man is allowed 4 wives and please dont take tht right from us as females. first our salat is taken away now are men. it is our right to pray to god through salat (as a ritual) and it is out right as woman to marry men who are already married, the only problem is men dont want.
tell me when wars happened in the olden days and women were left with no men, are they to be denied companionship for the rest of there lives, are they simply ignored and thrown to the side becuase are husbands died for the cause of god but now we pay the price but living alone till death.i wish more men stood up like real men and married those who have no husbands. men are those who make or break this world, and so far im sorry to say, men have done a great job of breaking.Obviously, I don't agree with women not being able to pray. And I don't agree with polygamy be it multiple husbands or wives. But there is such a thing as paternity tests, you know. And there is evidence that we were created as monogamous mammals, regardless of our gender. It's in our neurochemistry -
http//nationalzoo.si.edu/Publications/ZooGoer/2004/3/monogamy.cfm
Here in the nucleus accumbens, a brain chemical called dopamine works its magic. It's a gross oversimplification, but for starters, it's not a bad one Dopamine is the feel-good neurotransmitter, flooding the nucleus accumbens during orgasm or any other pleasurable or "rewarding" activity.
Give a vole a dose of cocaine and dopamine is released in its nucleus accumbens. Likewise, let a vole mate for 24 hours, and dopamine is released in its nucleus accumbens. This holds true for every mammal, including humans, in which scientists have studied dopamine levels.
And now here's the trick, the little smackerel of data upon which this whole story hinges Monogamous voles, and every other monogamous mammal scientists have examined, have nucleus accumbens that are absolutely lousy with oxytocin receptors. The presence of these receptors means that when oxytocin is released by that 24-hour bout of mating, the nucleus accumbens can't help but stand up and take notice, neurons ablaze like fireworks on the Fourth of July.
Non-monogomous voles, on the other hand, don't have any oxytocin receptors in their nucleus accumbens. They likely find mating pleasurable, because the feel-good molecule dopamine is dumped all over the feel-good nucleus accumbens. But because they lack the proper receptors, their nucleus accumbens can't "hear" the wailing klaxon of billions of little oxytocin molecules flooding their brains. As a result, montane voles don't associate mating with a specific kind of pleasure with a specific partner. If we could read the montane vole's thoughts, he or she would be thinking "Gee, sex feels great!" Whereas the monogamous prairie vole would be thinking, "Gee, sex with this particular partner feels great!"
In this way, we can imagine that voles, humans, and many other monogamous mammals come to associate a particular partner with reward. Junkies do it too, except they fixate on the drug itself, or paraphernalia associated with the drug.
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Agreed but do you agree with me that this verse is widly abused by muslims.
Peace
Peace,
Of course verses are abused but they will pay for their wrongdoings anyway. And we shall always keep discuss these kind of issues in the society to hopefully make progress.
Maria
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Assalaam Alaikum
The verse in Sura 43 is very clear its NOT referring to number wives its referring to divorce!
The majority of the posts are just reflecting opinion, personal sentiment and interpretation.
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Excellent topic Simple. Unfortunately, (for the Men) the polgamy reference in Sura Nisa 43 is a mistranslation in english and misinterpretation along with a 'lustful' fallacy developed by Men.
Allah makes it clear.....
MARRY THOSE AMONG YOU WHO ARE SINGLE, and the virtuous ones among yourselves, male or female. if they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace. for Allah encompasseth all, and he knoweth all things.
This is so people do not remain unmarried. There is no prohibition against polygyny here.
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Now for those Men who believe they can still practice Polygamy, 'because Muhammad did'
Allah addresses these Men in the following Sura and ayahs....
Wa-ith taqoolu lillathee anAAama Allahu AAalayhi waanAAamta AAalayhi
amsik AAalayka zawjaka waittaqi Allaha / amsik AAalayka zawjaka waittaqi Allaha = Keep your dignity with your wife/mate and have regard for Allahwa tukhfee fee nafsika / and Be aware of your soul;your inner feelings
ma Allahu mubdeehi watakhsha alnnasa waAllahu ahaqqu an takhshahufa lamma qada zaydun minha wataran zawwaj nakaha li-kaa (for YOU) la yakoona AAala almu/mineena harajun fee azwaji adAAiya-ihim itha qadaw minhunna wataran wakana amru Allahi mafAAoolan
Try fitting this understanding of yours with the rest of the verse. Your understanding is way off.
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Obviously, I don't agree with women not being able to pray. And I don't agree with polygamy be it multiple husbands or wives. But there is such a thing as paternity tests, you know. And there is evidence that we were created as monogamous mammals, regardless of our gender. It's in our neurochemistry -
http//nationalzoo.si.edu/Publications/ZooGoer/2004/3/monogamy.cfm
im not asking you to agree with anything this is my view, but explain to me why mohamad had so many wives and dont tell me hes a special case,id he is a prophet dont you tink he should have been the first no to have mulitple wives. or is there a different translation for that too. and by the way i really would like to know where thses translations are coming from because they are ver off of what quran is.
as for animals i beleive they do have mulitple mates or am i wrong in that, sorry im not very good with science -
Any excesses (i.e. polygamy, oppressing women, etc.) that were practiced in regards to females and marriage have now ENDED and those practices should cease.
So now polygamy is being put along side the oppression of women! There are unmarried and widowed women out there, women without family and children, who wouldn't mind being even fifth, sixth or seventh wife of a man. Monogamists deprive women of their needs. THAT'S oppression! THAT'S injustice! Selfish people!