Number of wives?
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Salaams,
isn,t the following ayah simply telling us we can marry as many as we can manage sensibly?
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If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the Al-Yataama, then Marry what seems good to you of women, Two's, three's, four's(e.t.c); but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, though, with Oath, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.Second point to note is the history of other prophets who did have many wives and not just four - Solomon, David e.t.c
What say you?
Thanks.
God Bless.
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I voted (other). The number is only more than one if the condition for that is met. You have the condition in the beginning of the verse
If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the Al-Yataama
As for past prophets, I do not think this applies to us in his, and similar contexts. This is not part of the one message shared by all prophets. We should not confuse The Message of monotheism, peacefulness, charity, justice with the individual laws for each messenger, especially laws concerning marriage and food.
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I voted (other). The number is only more than one if the condition for that is met. You have the condition in the beginning of the verse
As for past prophets, I do not think this applies to us in his, and similar contexts. This is not part of the one message shared by all prophets. We should not confuse The Message of monotheism, peacefulness, charity, justice with the individual laws for each messenger, especially laws concerning marriage and food.
yeah ;D but how about 60 or ninty year old marrying 16 years old is it allowed eat
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It's not about how old he is or how young she is. It's not about the man and the woman, but the fatherless children whose only problem, and a major one, is they have no father. If this 16 year old had a fatherless child, how is this child going to survive in a conservative society that does not accept illegitmate children? As for the 60 or 100 year old man who accepts to give his fatherhood and protection to this child, he is an angel compared to the maybe-young-man who fled from his responsibility. As for her, she has to take responsibility for this child and give it priority above her own interests...
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It's not about how old he is or how young she is. It's not about the man and the woman, but the fatherless children whose only problem, and a major one, is they have no father. If this 16 year old had a fatherless child, how is this child going to survive in a conservative society that does not accept illegitmate children? As for the 60 or 100 year old man who accepts to give his fatherhood and protection to this child, he is an angel compared to the maybe-young-man who fled from his responsibility. As for her, she has to take responsibility for this child and give it priority above her own interests...
Samia you know very well what I?m talking about I?m well aware what the verse says I?m just saying how the peoples are abusing this verse.
peace
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The number is only more than one if the condition for that is met. You have the condition in the beginning of the verse
And also in the end. However that has been left to the best judgment of the person desirous of marrying more than one widow since he is the sole judge to determine if he could do justice {physically and financially} to more than one wife.
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And also in the end. However that has been left to the best judgment of the person desirous of marrying more than one widow since he is the sole judge to determine if he could do justice {physically and financially} to more than one wife.
Agreed but do you agree with me that this verse is widly abused by muslims.
Peace
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The word ?illegitimate? is NOT permissible in Muslim society. Call people by their Father?s name and if you do not know their fathers they are your brothers in Deen.
What do you mean by "Not permissible in Muslim" societies? You may say it is not permissible in a society fearing God; but "Muslim" societies do use this description, unfortunately.
I am using it to differentiate between them and the "fatherless-by-death-of-the-father" yatamaa. And if they were not treated as badly as could be as children, and even in their adulthood, if they reached it without being murdered (which, unfortunately happens) and were considered (your brothers in deen) there wont be a need to apply this verse.
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And also in the end. However that has been left to the best judgment of the person desirous of marrying more than one widow since he is the sole judge to determine if he could do justice {physically and financially} to more than one wife.
Doing justice is not a condition restricted to this verse, and is not even a condition. it is an obligation, even if one does not have to marry (mothers of the yataama) or not marry at all.
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Doing justice is not a condition restricted to this verse, and is not even a condition. it is an obligation, even if one does not have to marry (mothers of the yataama) or not marry at all.
Sister if first is the condition how the other is not condition
I could not understand.
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Only 1! There is no excuse/condition for having more than 1 at the same time.
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Salaams,
isn,t the following ayah simply telling us we can marry as many as we can manage sensibly?
004.003
If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the Al-Yataama, then Marry what seems good to you of women, Two's, three's, four's(e.t.c); but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, though, with Oath, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.Second point to note is the history of other prophets who did have many wives and not just four - Solomon, David e.t.c
What say you?
Thanks.
God Bless.
Peace
I feel that this verse really means that if you feel are you can be as Muhammad then do marry more than one, but if you cannot, then be content with just one.
Essentially we can only marry one.
regards,
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Salaams All,
Some good statements, but would love some quranic evidance from those who say Only 1!.
And sister Samia How can you neglect what david or solomon did unless you don't believe their history, arn't prophets examples for humanity for All Time.
Thanks.
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Salaam alaikum.
Salaams,
isn,t the following ayah simply telling us we can marry as many as we can manage sensibly?
004.003
If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the Al-Yataama, then Marry what seems good to you of women, Two's, three's, four's(e.t.c); but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, though, with Oath, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.This particular verse is restricting nikah to only one woman, but only in case yatama. There is no restriction otherwise, imho.
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Assalaam Alaikum
Excellent topic Simple. Unfortunately, (for the Men) the polgamy reference in Sura Nisa 43 is a mistranslation in english and misinterpretation along with a 'lustful' fallacy developed by Men.
Allah makes it clear.....
MARRY THOSE AMONG YOU WHO ARE SINGLE, and the virtuous ones among yourselves, male or female. if they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace. for Allah encompasseth all, and he knoweth all things.
Thus the ayah An-Nur 24.32 destroys the polygamous fallacy.
If the female Musilimah's gave the married Males who approach them Sura An-Nur 24.32, the fallacy and misinterpretation would cease to exist.
Now for those Men who believe they can still practice Polygamy, 'because Muhammad did'
Allah addresses these Men in the following Sura and ayahs....
Wa-ith taqoolu lillathee anAAama Allahu AAalayhi waanAAamta AAalayhi
amsik AAalayka zawjaka waittaqi Allaha / amsik AAalayka zawjaka waittaqi Allaha = Keep your dignity with your wife/mate and have regard for Allahwa tukhfee fee nafsika / and Be aware of your soul;your inner feelings
ma Allahu mubdeehi watakhsha alnnasa waAllahu ahaqqu an takhshahufa lamma qada zaydun minha wataran zawwaj nakaha li-kaa (for YOU) la yakoona AAala almu/mineena harajun fee azwaji adAAiya-ihim itha qadaw minhunna wataran wakana amru Allahi mafAAoolan
Any excesses (i.e. polygamy, oppressing women, etc.) that were practiced in regards to females and marriage have now ENDED and those practices should cease.
O those who believe in the Prophet! ....ANY BELIEVING WOMAN WHO DEDICATES HER SOUL TO THE PROPHET IF THE PROPHET WISHES TO WED HER;- THIS ONLY FOR YOU, AND NOT FOR THE BELIEVERS / waimraatan muminatan in wahabat nafsaha lilnnabiyyi in arada alnnabiyyu an yastankihaha/ khalisatan/ laka min dooni almumineena
Yastankihaha (imperfect, 3rd person) wish to marry
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 577 (nakaha)Khalisatan (active participle) Distinct Quality, Someone with exclusive right, one who is pure, genuine, best choice, most excellent; Mukh-la-san / Mukh-lee-san means one who is Chosen, Chosen by Allah, pure from pollution or hypocrisy, pure & sincere towards Allah, purely believing in the unity of Allah (applied to a Human)
Lanes Lexicon Volume 2 page 785-787;
Online Single Page http//www.studyquran.co.uk/LLhome.htm
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 161 (khalasa)
Sorry (ladies) gentlemen, Allah makes it clear you can nolonger practice excesses and marry all the women you want. The exclusive right to practice polygamy in its true sense was ONLY relegated to the Prophets of Allah
Now we can address Sura Nisa 43 in light of the truth.
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Assalaam Alaikum
Before we address Sura Nisa 43....
Allah continues to address the Men who still insist on 'slipping' by with 'exchanging' and changing their wife or wives for others.....amazing Allah knows Men are lustful and rebellious
It is not lawful for you (to marry more) women after this, NOR TO CHANGE THEM FOR (OTHER) WIVES, even though their beauty attract you, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens). and Allah doth watch over all things.
La yahillu laka alnnisaa min baAAdu wala an tabaddala bihinna min azwajin walaw aAAjabaka husnuhunna illa ma malakat yameenuka wakana Allahu AAala kulli shayin raqeeban
Sorry Gentlemen cant do that either.....
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Assalaam Alaikum
Ok Lets just jump to the chase....
I will NOT post the english translation, because EVERYONE I have encountered is wrong.....
Wain khiftum alla tuqsitoo fee alyatama fa inkihoo {MA TABA lakum minna alnnisai mathna wathulatha warubaAAa} fain khiftum alla taAAdiloo fawahidatan aw ma malakat aymanukum thalika adna alla taAAooloo
Wain khiftum alla tuqsitoo fee alyatama fa VERBAL SENTENCE >>> inkihoo ADVERBAL MODIFIERS >>> MA TABA lakum minna <<< GENITIVE >>> alnnisai ADJECTIVES >>> mathna wathulatha warubaAAa <<< fain khiftum alla taAAdiloo fa ADJECTIVE Subject (Al Nisa) >>>> wahidatan <<< aw ma malakat aymanukum thalika adna alla taAAooloo
It is Ma = NOT Taba = good/lawful Lakum =TO/For YOU to be given the Minna = favor/gift/blessing/benefit of Al Nisai = (get married to) Women Mathna = 2, Thulatha = 3, and Rubaa = 4 TIMES
IT IS NOT LAWFUL to divorce get married, divorce get married, divorce get married again and divorce and get married again (and in doing so leave a family behind EACH time!)
Al Yatama does NOT mean 'orphan'....
?Al? (adataatarif) is a Definite Article , used to give the meaning of ?Most, All, Complete, Maximum, Whole, and to denote comprehensiveness, all aspects or categories of a subject, or to denote perfection and includes all degrees and grades.
yatama sole, unmatched, single, lonely, jaded, one withoutparents; Root word atamm means more complete, more perfect, perfectly prepared, totally ready; Root word Tamm meaning consummate, of full value, self contained, needing no completion; Root word Tamma means to or become complete, completed, finished, done, to be performed, be accomplished, to come to an end;
Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. page 117-118 (tamma)When Allah references 'orphans' Allah uses the word 'yateem'
Al-Insan/Al-Dahr 76.8] And for His love they feed the food to the miskeen / the needy (who is reduced to poverty) and the yateem / orphan and aseer / captive.
No, No! but you honour not the orphans / al-yateema!
mathna wa thulatha wa rubaAAa does not mean two three and four because two, three and four in Arabic are ithnaan, thalatha and arbaa' and not mathna, thulatha and rubaa
ithnan means 2 thalatha means 3 arba?a means 4
Allah confirms the definitive use of ALL these cardinal / ordinal number references in the following ayahs
Praise be to Allah, Who created (out of nothing) the heavens and the earth, Who made the angels, messengers with wings,- two/ mathna, or three/ thulatha, or four/ rubaAAa. He adds to Creation as He pleases. for Allah has power over all things.
O you who believe! When death approaches any of you, (take) witnesses among yourselves when making bequests,- two / ithnani just men of your own
O, you who believe those whom your right possess and those among you who have not reach puberty, ask permission from you three / thalatha times/repetitions / marratin
For those who take an oath for abstention from their wives, a waiting for four / arbaAAati
sadeeqal atheemi / Allah has revealed the truth
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Sorry Gentlemen cant do that either.....
What you posted above is not applicable to believers and only pertains to the Prophet.
Read in context...
3350-52 O Prophet! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal gift/money), and those whom your right hand possesses - whom All?h has given to you, and the daughters of your 'Ammat (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your 'Amm (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Kh?lat (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Kh?l (maternal aunts) who migrated with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her; a privilege for you only, not for the the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those whom their right hands possess, - in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And All?h is Ever Oft?Forgiving, Most Merciful. You can postpone whom you will of them, and you may receive whom you will. And whomsoever you desire of those whom you have set aside, it is no sin on you, that is better that they may be comforted and not grieved, and may all be pleased with what you give them. All?h knows what is in your hearts. And All?h is Ever All?Knowing, Most Forbearing. It is not lawful for you women after this, nor to change them for other wives even though their beauty attracts you, except those whom your right hand possesses. And All?h is Ever a Watcher over all things.
For believers some prohibitions are below including not marrying two sisters at the same time...
423 Your mothers, and your daughters, and your sisters, and your paternal aunts, and your maternal aunts, and the brothers' daughters (nieces), and the sisters' daughters (nieces), and your mothers who breast fed you, and your sisters from the breast feeding, and your women's (wives' mothers (mothers in-law), and your step- daughters who (are) in your custody from your women (wives) whom you entered with them, are forbidden on you, so if you were not entered with them, so no offense/sin on you, and (also forbidden on you are) your sons' allowed/permitted women (wives) whom (are) from your backbones/genealogical relations, and that you combine between the two sisters, except what had preceded, that God was/is forgiving, merciful.
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Assalaam Alaikum @Nun de plume
With all due respect, did you actually 'read' and 'consider' what I posted? Personally, I dont argue translations, Im sorry.