Doesn't 361 solve the 9:128-129 and Hafs and Warsh issues?

[6619]

Salaam dear Pseudo and all,

It is obvious what you are doing is manipulating data
Desired Output = Cherry Picked Inconsistent Input
Add/delete alif and hamza until your fitna desire is met.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamza
Alone ;
Combined with a letter
and (above and under an alif)
(above a ww)
(above a dotless y, also called y hamza)
It is NOT a letter, like writing d?j? vu -- markings etc added later, see examples of early writings...

Pierre No Pseudo, Hamza is only counted 1 when it is self standing (glottal stop) and I proved it replaces historically an alif 1. You are simply trying to evade the truth It doesn't work.

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Pierre Since when do you write Ibrahim with two alifs?
'Ibrhma
6 Arabic letters
=1 = 2 =200 =1 = 5 =10 =40

Now tell your friends before messing with their and your idol's code. lol
Quran, Hadith, and Islam
by
Rashad Khalifa, Ph.D.
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/Quran-Hadith-Islam.htm
"ABRAHAM IS DESCRIBED IN QURAN IN THE SAME WORDS; word for word.

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Pierre Do you realize that your Quran is in Farsi?!?!?!?!?!?! http//www.submission.org/efarsi/Quran-Hadith-Islam.htm
Who are you trying to manipulate? Here?s the Arabic Quran on submission.org
Check 368 where Ibrahim occurs http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/sura3.html

Pierre Do you not see that Ibrahim only has one Alif in 368 and elsewhere in Quran?
Incredible that you accuse us to manipulate when you are the proven manipulator! You are caught in the act.

You should be dancing, yeah...
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdPAkrgW1ko
I'm out, already wasted too much time on this stuff. Follow whatever.

Pierre I don?t follow. I verify and I study. Big difference.
I don?t agree with everything Rashad said even regarding math discoveries. But he indeed was blessed with unveiling ?one of the greatest miracle? (7430).
You have rejected that ?over it is 19?.

You rejected the miraculous convergence based on a consistent system based on pure forms of words

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Ism occurs 19 times

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God occurs 2698 times, 19x142

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Rahman occurs 57 times, 19x3

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Raheem occurs 114 times, 19x6

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Furthermore, the addition of factors combined with 19 also generates a multiple of 19 (1 + 142 + 3 + 6 = 152 = 19 x . And 8 is index of 19.

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The Addition of gematrical vlaues of the three names of God Allah (66) + Al Rahman (329) + Al Raheem (289) = 684 = 19 x 36.

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Number 684 (19 x 36) is also the gematrical value of ?Al Quran Al Kareem? (the holy Quran).

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The addition of gematrical values of all verses multiples of crucial number 684 in the numbering system of Quran (the 684th verse, then the 1368th?etc until the end of the honourable Quran 9 verses total) is 25783 = 19x1357 (reference http//www.islamrevolution.org/9128129parti.htm)

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There are exactly 1919 (19x101) verses in the entire Quran which include one or more of the four words of the Bismillah.

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The addition of gematrical values of all divine attributes (without repeat) used in crucial sura 1 is 1292 = 19x68.

And so may more additional mathematical properties associated with the Bismillah alone.
You have to be blind not to see the miracle. Such a convergence cannot exist with a profound divinely designed system. It is IMPOSSIBLE to obtain such a miraculous convergence and system by manipulating data or doing baseless numerology. IMPOSSIBLE.

For 361 you have rejected this

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The addition of gematrical values of all letters found in the 17 verses multiple of 361 in the numbering system of the Quran is 59109 = 19x3111.

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If you separate in the 17 verses, verses with ?God? from the ones without God, the gematrical value of the 3 verses with God is 9633 = 19x507.

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Let us now select, exactly in the same way, all verses multiple of 361 starting counting reverse from the end of the Quran instead of from the beginning you still get 17 different verses, spaced exactly every 361 verses. The total gematrical value of all 17 verses is 58748 = 19x3092.

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If you again separate verses which contain the word ?God? from the ones which do not the addition of gematrical values of all letters in the 6 verses which contain ?God? is 34010 = 19x1790.

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The grand total of gematrical values of 361 normal order of the Quran is 59109 = 19x3111. The grand total of gematrical values of 361 reverse order of the Quran is 58748 = 19x3092. Let us subtract the gematrical values of 361 normal order from 361 reverse order of Quran 59109 ? 57748 = 361 = 19x19.

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Aside from the word ?God?, the second most noticeable word in the 361 system is the word ?Quran?. It only occurs (twice) in 361 normal order of Quran. If we separate the two verses where the word Quran is found we get 5453 = 19x287. It is also noteworthy that there are 76 letters (19x4) in both verses.

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Why 361? God occurs for the 361st time in the Quran in verse 378, which prophecies that Quran was going to be tampered with
378 Among them are those who twist their tongues to imitate the scripture, that you may think it is from the scripture, when it is not from the scripture, and they claim that it is from GOD, when it is not from GOD. Thus, they tell the lie (GV 722 = 19x19x2) and attribute it to GOD, (361st occurrence, 19x19) knowingly.

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We notice that the 361st occurrence of God is associated with the word ?lie? GV 722 = 19x19x2, which hints at the fact two lies were going to be added to the Quran as is extensively mathematically proven in the main article 361. The true meaning of the sign of 361 in 378 is that it is meant to annihilate forever the two satanic verses 9128-129 From the above proofs and what follows, we notice a profound miraculous convergence of mathematical properties associated with number 19 and a very consistent meaningful system. 95% of the proofs are valid if and only if we exclude the two satanic verses (9128-129) from the Quran. If you include the two false verses, the mathematical miracle and convergence can no longer be witnessed and remains hidden in the unaltered Quran.

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The last verse of sura 9 is verse 9127, and the frequency of God is multiple of 19 in the verse it is the 1273rd, 19x67th occurrence of the word God in the Quran (67 is the 19th prime number). Since the frequency of God is multiple of 19, let us build a system where we consider that verse 9127 occupies a central position, and we are going to select the 19th occurrence of God before and after 9127, thus building a three verse system (9110, 9127, 1030)
The addition of gematrical values of all letters in the three verses is 13547 = 19x713.

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Let us now build the same system selecting the 19th verse before and after 9127 (from verse to verse both verses included), the last verse of sura 9 still occupying a central position. The addition of gematrical values of all letters in the three verses (9109, 9127, 101 is 20368 = 19x1072.

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We saw that in 378 the 361st occurrence of God is associated with the word ?lie? (GV 722 = 361x2). It is important to note at this point that 361 is the gematrical value of the Arabic word ?everything?. The word ?everything? (GV 361) occurs for the 19th time in verse 4176 and it is striking that the 722nd (722 = 19x19x2) occurrence of the word ?God? is directly in conjunction with the word ?everything? (GV 361), pretty much like verse 378 where the 361st word God is associated with the word ?lie? (GV 722 = 19x19x2).

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Let us again build a three verse system with verse 9127 being surrounded by the 361st occurrence of the word God before and after 9127 The addition of gematrical values of all letters in the three verse system (693, 9127, 2217) is 29241 = 19x19x81. It is astounding that the gematrical values are double multiple of 19 exactly 361 (19x19) words God before and after 9127). As if it were not enough proofs, 693 mentions people who invent ?lies? (like false verses 9128-129) and claim they can write the same as God?s revelation. Also and equally importantly, in verse 2217 (the 361st word God after 9127), the word God is directly associated with the word ?everything? ?GOD witnesses everything (GV 361)?! In other words, God witnesses ?361?, and in what manner!

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Since, as witnessed in 378 and above, there seems to be a very crucial relationship in the Quran between the 361st occurrence of God and number 722 (GV of the word ?lie?), let us build the very same system as above, but this time adding the 722nd word God before and after verse 9127 (last verse of sura 9), the latter still occupying the same central position. We now have a five verse system (450, 693, 9127, 2217, 3329) and the addition of gematrical values of all letters in the five verse system is 37905 = 19x19x105. It is absolutely astounding that like in fact #15, we again get a grand total for gematrical values that is double multiple of 19! We have witnessed so far the miracle of 19; in addition, we are this time witnessing the miracle of 361, a miracle built inside the miracle of 19. A miracle inside the miracle! As if it were not enough statistical wonders, the factor associated with 19x19 is 105, and the frequency of God in the last verse of the system (3329) is the 19x105th occurrence of ?God? in the Quran! In the 722nd word God before 9127, God is AGAIN associated with the word ?lie? (GV 722 = 19x19x2) (!!!) like it is the case in verse 378 which prophecies that Quran was going to be tampered with.

Anyone can witness dozens of additional profound proofs @ http//www.islamrevolution.org/361mainarticle.htm

For anyone who has eyes to see, it is IMPOSSIBLE to obtain such a miraculous convergence of multiples of 19 when specifically gematrical values are multiple or double multiple of 19, by manipulating numbers or data. Let me say it again IMPOSSIBLE.

Those who have ears to hear, let them hear, those who have eyes to see, let them see.

Peace.

Pierre

[Pseudo]

Dear 6619,

Pierre Do you realize that your Quran is in Farsi?!?!?!?!?!?! http//www.submission.org/efarsi/Quran-Hadith-Islam.htm

It is obvious you cannot read, your idol wrote 'Ibrhma 56 times in Arabic using 6 Arabic letters ...lol

http//www.openburhan.net/ob_w.php?w=76534

Browse Word

Browse Root

http//www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=3&translator=7&mac=&font_name=1&font_size=8

http//www.answering-christianity.com/quran_search.htm

http//www.islamawakened.com/Quran/3/68

368

As for the rest of your long rant (no comment), did not read, topic should be moved to appropriate forum/trash section ? my opinion of course.

Peace

[6619]

Dear 6619,
It is obvious you cannot read, your idol wrote 'Ibrhma 56 times in Arabic using 6 Arabic letters ...lol
http//www.openburhan.net/ob_w.php?w=76534
Browse Word
Browse Root
http//www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=3&translator=7&mac=&font_name=1&font_size=8
http//www.answering-christianity.com/quran_search.htm
http//www.islamawakened.com/Quran/3/68
368
As for the rest of your long rant (no comment), did not read, topic should be moved to appropriate forum/trash section ? my opinion of course.

Peace

Dear Pseudo and all salaam,

In the Quran as originally revealed to Muhammad, Ibrahim only has one alif. Show me one Quran from the first or second century AH with two alifs then we can talk.
Ibrahim with one alif is in any case confirmed by the earth shattering mathematical convergence of 361 for example, and you can be sure many other mathematical sub systems of the Quran.
19 is the gematrical value of Huda (Guidance). People who follow Quran alone and believe in the miracle of 19 follow God's guidance (19). 19 is what seperates truth from falsehood, and most notably exposes 9128-129 and clarifies so many aspects like we have already witnessed in this debate Hamza as a self standing letter (Glottal stop) is counted 1 for historical reasons (Hamza was an alif that expressed a glottal stop in ancient Arabic). Ibrahim only has one alif and so much more...
Openburhan and some Qurans may display 2 alifs, it simply means their Quran is tampered with and do not follow or are not aware of God's guidance (19).

What you call my long "rant" is only meant for truth seekers. They are the only ones who will read and study. The others will call it a long "rant" exposing the fact they are rude and unwilling to learn.
What in my opinion transpires from your emails is that from the very beginning of our discussion you had already decided that your mind is made up (28 and you are ready to say anything simply to satisfy your ego instead of really trying to comprehend the mathematical miracle. Remember Only the sincere can grasp it (5679). I hope you reflect on this crucial issue regarding the hereafter and I wish you well.

Peace.

Pierre

Pierre

[farida]

Salaam,

The rumour about 9128 and 129 is not just a hadith but, Islamic history casting doubt on them. Could be justified as, nowhere in the Quran do we see prophets addressed as ?
Recently we saw another thread where early inscriptions confirms historical date ...

When did noted Islamic leader Umar ibn al-Khattab die?

According to tradition and historical accounts, a Persian soldier assassin stabbed Umar in public as the caliph was leading prayers in a mosque. Zuhayr, who may have witnessed the violent crime, recorded that Umar died in "four and twenty," which means 644 A.D.
http//my.algeria.com/forums/religion-religion/24279-first-islamic-inscription-may-solve-quran-question.html

http//dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/11/18/islamic-inscription.html
peace

[Pseudo]

Peace farida,

The rumour about 9128 and 129 is not just a hadith but, Islamic history casting doubt on them. Could be justified as, nowhere in the Quran do we see prophets addressed as ?
Recently we saw another thread where early inscriptions confirms historical date ...

Following rumors bandied about by fitna infected people is not good, Quran is self explanatory...

269 Wa-inna rabbaka lahuwa alAAazeezu alrraheemu
And that your Lord He is the glorious/mighty, the merciful

1278 Qaloo ya ayyuha alAAazeezu
They said (to Joseph) "O you the glorious/mighty?

http//www.openburhan.net/ob_w.php?w=31378

Browse Word

[Pseudo]

Pierre

Now Abraham with 2 alif is conspiracy?there is no end to the manipulation. lol

1. Already believe Quran is from God, no need to prove anything.
2. Original Quran was recited, not a book that fell from the sky.

Verse 9129 intact
http//portal.unesco.org/ci/photos/showphoto.php/photo/3355/size/big/cat/

Copying date 2nd Century
Surah name Surat al Tawba, surat Yunus
Verses number part of 129 from surat al Tawba to 3
and part of 4 from surat Yunus

http//portal.unesco.org/ci/photos/showphoto.php/photo/3453/size/big/cat/

Copying Date 1st/2nd centuries
S#363;rah Name S?rah al-Mumtahina
Verses Part of 4 to 8 and part of 9
This page has been written in script. There is some elongation in some letters. The copyist has written the of the letter as a green circle either above it, below it, or on its right side
.

Btw, your site is missing a number of hamza in section above, no surprise?
http//www.quranix.net/#?RTQ=1&TMG=1&MA=1&RK=1&SA=1&TE=1&A=1&L=en&NA=10&S=60&SA=1

http//s5.tinypic.com/n2l7pe.jpg

Likewise most calculations are blatant deceptive manipulation, e.g.

http//submission.org/quran/app1.html

Table 4 Occurence of the Letters
"A," "L," and "M" in the
A.L.M.-Initialed Suras
Sura
No. Frequency of Occurence Total
"A" "L" "M"
2 4502 3202 2195 9899 (19x521)
3 2521 1892 1249 5662 (19x29
29 774 554 344 1672 (19x8 <--- wrong!
30 544 393 317 1254 (19x66)
31 347 297 173 817 (19x43)
32 257 155 158 570 (19x30)
8945 6493 4436 19874 (19x1046) <---- wrong!

Deliberately miscounted in numerous chapters; surah 29 should suffice as proof?

Copy/paste into word, search each letter

29 A = 812 L=550 M=341 Total = 1703 not multiple!

[6619]

Dear Farida, Pseudo and all salaam,

Now Abraham with 2 alif is conspiracy?there is no end to the manipulation. lol

1. Already believe Quran is from God, no need to prove anything.
2. Original Quran was recited, not a book that fell from the sky.
   Verse 9129 intact
   http//portal.unesco.org/ci/photos/showphoto.php/photo/3355/size/big/cat/
   http//portal.unesco.org/ci/photos/showphoto.php/photo/3453/size/big/cat/
   Btw, your site is missing a number of hamza in section above, no surprise?
   http//www.quranix.net/#?RTQ=1&TMG=1&MA=1&RK=1&SA=1&TE=1&A=1&L=en&NA=10&S=60&SA=1
   http//s5.tinypic.com/n2l7pe.jpg
   Likewise most calculations are blatant deceptive manipulation, e.g.
   http//submission.org/quran/app1.html
   Deliberately miscounted in numerous chapters; surah 29 should suffice as proof?

Copy/paste into word, search each letter
29 A = 812 L=550 M=341 Total = 1703 not multiple!

9128-129 were added to sura 9 in the first century AH. No surprise to see a 2nd century document with 9128-129.
Quranix is overwhelmingly right about the way "the recitation" should be written. I do not claim there are no mistakes at all. I identified a couple mistakes as well. For a number a verses that fall within the realm of an overwhelming convergence of mathematical properties with 19 (like 361, and more), with can (thanks to the "guidance", GV 19) assert that a number of verses or even suras are 100% authentified with 19.

The process to get a Quran that is 100% pure (to the very letter) is still an ongoing process. We can at this point say without a doubt (now that we understand the sign of 361, in addition of 19) that issues like 9128-129 and the Bastatan in 769 are 100% solved. 9128-129 are not part of Quran. It is over.
I personnally believe that the count of A.L.M. in ALM initialed suras is still an ongoing debate, in spite of the recent research conducted on 19.org. It is a documented fact that an overwhelming majority of initialed suras have the frequency of their initials coded with 19. Statistically it is already too striking to deny the data we have.
There are two ways to get a 100% pure Quran

1. We find the original Quran written by Muhammad in His own hand, or a 100% preserved copy.
2. We gather all Qurans from the first centuries AH and identify more and more meaningful Quranic sub systems mathematically coded with a convergence that will reduce more and more unauthentified portions of the Quran.
   At one point I am pretty confident, God willing, that everything will "click" God willing, that is to say that most likely we will see that the addition of gematrical values of every single letter in Quran is a multiple of 19, and we can expect the same for all verses with/without God, suras with/without God, and an infinity of sub-groups as well.

One way or the other, the miracle of 19 (the "guidance" from God) will be the way to confirm.

What is wonderful about the 34 verses in 361 normal and reverse order of Quran and others that fall within the realm of the same miracle (see the central position of 9127 in the article 361) is that 100% of letters of the Arabic alphabet are coded in the system, both in 361 normal and reverse order of Quran (!) people who study the system seriously will see for instance that no one can claim anymore that a Ta marbuta has a gematrical value of 400 (as we have heard from some people), because 361 confirms it is a 5 (ta marbuta is written with the same shape as a Ha, GV 5); in short 100% of gematrical values are confirmed mathematically twice with a profound and consistent mathematical system. Numerous multiple of 19 based mathematical systems already confirm and back the data in 361 as well the Mary system in sura 19 (table 2 @ http//www.islamrevolution.org/361trinityexposed.htm), the count of initials in most initialed suras, all verses number 66 in Quran, the GV of the entire sura 66, and much much more...)
For the confirmation of gematrical values of the entire Arabic alphabet, see section 212 in 361 main article
http//www.islamrevolution.org/361mainarticle.htm

Peace.

Pierre

[Pseudo]

Dear 6619,

9128-129 were added to sura 9 in the first century AH.

Ascertained reading hadith, as traditionalists claim verses on stoning are missing.

Quranix is overwhelmingly right about the way "the recitation" should be written. I do not claim there are no mistakes at all. I identified a couple mistakes as well.

Good you admit it is overwhelmingly inconsistent.

The process to get a Quran that is 100% pure (to the very letter) is still an ongoing process.

The manipulation is ongoing, verses/words deleted and misspelled using +/- 1 hamza and alif tool.

I personnally believe that the count of A.L.M. in ALM initialed suras is still an ongoing debate, in spite of the recent research conducted on 19.org.

Good you admit A.L.M. count is false and misleading as pointed out, as is A.L.R.

http//submission.org/quran/app1.html

Table 5 Occurence of the Letters
"A," "L," and "R" in the
A.L.R.-Initialed Suras
Sura
No. Frequency of Occurence Total
"A" "L" "R"
10 1319 913 257 2489 (19x131)
11 1370 794 325 2489 (19x131) <------- wrong!
12 1306 812 257 2375 (19x125)
14 585 452 160 1197 (19x63)
15 493 323 96 912 (19x4
5073 3294 1095 9462 (19x49 <------- wrong!

Deliberately miscounted; copy/paste chapter 11 into word; find/search each letter

11 A = 1419 L=793 R=323 Total = 2535 not multiple!

9128-129 are not part of Quran. It is over...
There are two ways to get a 100% pure Quran

This is 100% pure Quran, anyone with a clear mind free of the fitna can "read in context"?

9126-129
See they not that they are put in trail once or twice every year? Yet, they turn not in repentance, nor do they learn a lesson. And whenever there comes down a S?rah, they look at one another (saying) "Does any one see you?" Then they turn away. All?h has turned their hearts because they are a people that understand not. Verily, there has come unto you a Messenger from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty. He is anxious over you, for the believers full of pity, kind, compassionate. So if they turn away, say "All?h is sufficient for me. L? il?ha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), in Him I put my trust and He is the Lord of the Mighty Throne."

The rest of the ?fluff? added in every post is typical nineteen fetishes? to bedazzle the na?ve and yourselves ? all you see, hear, and listen to is the fitna in your heads. The cure was posted earlier?

Go purchase 13 items, 13 gallons of gas, change sign-on to 13, write 13 posts, do everything 13, kill the fitna whispers from your mind -- heal yourself!

Peace

[drfazl]

Peace,

Quran does not have its base on the history but the Truth from the Almighty. If any is interested to deny 9128, 129 then let him bring the evidence how those verses are antagonistic to the reality of God, Creation of heavens and the earth and every thing in between and the relationship between such realities. Read Quran in the way it should be read; but sadly enough in the case of '19 ners' they do not ponder upon the verses; but to the contrary, they entertain themselves trying to contain the quran within the hell fire surrounded by the guards 19. By using 19 they wish to keep the quran in the hell. Yet Quran is mightier than all His creations in such a way that the verses of it has the power over every default option such as RK's code 19, 361 etc. The verses 9 128, 129 of the Quran had blasted away the face of RK and his code 19!

[6619]

Salaam to all,

Peace,

Quran does not have its base on the history but the Truth from the Almighty. If any is interested to deny 9128, 129 then let him bring the evidence how those verses are antagonistic to the reality of God, Creation of heavens and the earth and every thing in between and the relationship between such realities. Read Quran in the way it should be read; but sadly enough in the case of '19 ners' they do not ponder upon the verses; but to the contrary, they entertain themselves trying to contain the quran within the hell fire surrounded by the guards 19. By using 19 they wish to keep the quran in the hell. Yet Quran is mightier than all His creations in such a way that the verses of it has the power over every default option such as RK's code 19, 361 etc. The verses 9 128, 129 of the Quran had blasted away the face of RK and his code 19!

Still today many people rejoice that Rashad Khalifa was assassinated. He was stabbed 29 times and God manifested one of the greatest miracle with his death
http//www.islamrevolution.org/rashadsdeathandsura19.htm

Again, people who hate the truth will decide to remain blind even after witnessing the earth shattering miracle that surrounds his death!

People who have critized 19 or 361 on this thread have not addressed the statistical challenge and miraculous convergence described. They always try to find a way out claiming that such word should be written a different way, such gematrical value is wrong, change subjects, they always find excuses but the laws of statistics and common sense are mind blowing for people who have not decided in advance to reject the miracle no matter what and accept to open their eyes and face the big picture of the facts.
http//www.islamrevolution.org/361mainarticle.htm

God does not manifest miracles to mislead people but to guide them The gematrical value of "guide" (huda) is 19! But maybe someone is going to tell me the word should be written a different way!
Those who have eyes to see let them see! Those who have ears to ear, let them hear!

Peace.

Pierre

[Ahmad_Bilal]

Peace Pierre,

I see you've done a lot of research on this issue. Thanks for presenting this excellent information regarding the factors of the "code 19 concept", and may G-d be the judge in all our disputes. For a certainty, He is the most knowledgeable and wise...

Peace and best wishes,

Ahmad

[drfazl]

Salaam to all,

Those who have eyes to see let them see! Those who have ears to ear, let them hear!

Peace.

Pierre

One very important thing to be considered after the eyes and the ears - the heart! If you have the understanding heart please explain 9-128, 129 as to how in content and substance they are against or are contradicting all the rest of the ayats of Quran.

Peace.

.

[6619]

One very important thing to be considered after the eyes and the ears - the heart! If you have the understanding heart please explain 9-128, 129 as to how in content and substance they are against or are contradicting all the rest of the ayats of Quran.

Peace.
.

Salaam drfazl and all,

You said it absolutely right Your heart will tell you if 9128-129 are part of Quran, IF and only IF you have a good heart, that is to say if you are sincere.

Sura 9 is the only sura that doesn't start with the four worded Bismillah. The Bismillah is the way God blesses each and every sura.
Why wasn't sura 9 blessed with the 19 lettered Bismillah? it is obvious something has to be wrong with sura 9. Actually God blessed it in a hidden manner With His NAME.
There are 168 words God (GV Bismillah) up to 9127, the true last verse of sura 9. 9128-129 do not fall into the realm of God's benediction.
In addition Muhammad is called Raheem in the false verses, which is a divine attribute reserved to God alone in the entire Quran. If you have a good heart, your heart will speak to you.
If you take the time to read and study the article on Islamrevolution.org on 9128-129, you should have answers to all kind of questions http//www.islamrevolution.org/9128129parti.htm

Personnally I have absolute certainty that 9128-129 are not part of Quran, I would accept to leave planet earth right away without hesitation if I happened to be wrong. This is how certain I am. God is my witness.

Peace and God bless.

Pierre

[unknownuser]

Peace,

Personnally I have absolute certainty that 9128-129 are not part of Quran, I would accept to leave planet earth right away without hesitation if I happened to be wrong. This is how certain I am. God is my witness.

If confident below age 40 kill yourself and of course you believe this hadith too

"During my Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca, and before sunrise on Tuesday, Zul-Hijjah 3, 1391, December 21, 1971, I, Rashad Khalifa, the soul, the real person, not the body, was taken to some place in the universe where I was introduced to all the prophets as God's Messenger of the Covenant. I was not informed of the details and true significance of this event until Ramadan 1408.

What I witnessed, in sharp consciousness, was that I was sitting still, while the prophets, one by one, came towards me, looked at my face, then nodded their heads. God showed them to me as they had looked in this world, attired in their respective mode of dress. There was an atmosphere of great awe, joy, and respect.

Except for Abraham, none of the prophets was identified to me. I knew that all the prophets were there, including Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, Aaron, David, Noah, and the rest. I believe that the reason for revealing Abraham's identity was that I asked about him. I was taken aback by the strong resemblance he had with my own family - myself, my father, my uncles. It was the only time that I wondered, "Who is this prophet who looks like my relatives?" The answer came "Abraham." No language was spoken. All communication was done mentally."

Removed verses based on weak, ambiguous, disputed hadith manipulating hamza where appropriate miss spell words like

Pierre Since when do you write Ibrahim with two alifs?

Yeah big conspiracy to change the tombstones too.

http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/e_islamic/fig37_kufi08_img.htm

http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/figs-stones/large/color_lg_jpeg/fig37_c_lg.jpg

Translation
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most merciful
God's blessings
On Prophet Mohammad and
(may God) keep Ibrahim bin Hussain
bin Wahab bin Amro bin
Safwan with the companions of
Mohammad in heaven

Those who have ears to hear, let them hear, those who have eyes to see, let them see.

37

http//www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=3&vid=7

You were never a believer fooled by a cheap trick false code; if you had a slight bit of intelligence and knew basic math you?d easily see that it?s all random meaningless conjectures...

1. Start with preconception to meet desire (fitna)
2. Try all sorts of combinations look for anything nineteen (a hit gives you a buzz)
3. Show only multiples hide everything else that is not multiple

One can find multiples every day; here is chapter 9 with the last two verses included?

Fact sequence of chapter 9 is multiple!
123456789101112131415161718192021222324252627282930313233343536373839404142434445464748495051525354555657
585960616263646566676869707172737475767778798081828384858687888990919293949596979899100
101102103104105106107108109110111112113114115116117118119120121122123124125126127128129

Copy/paste into miracle calculator and see?
http//www.apostatesofislam.com/quran/analyzer.htm

Chapter........verses.........Sum
1.......+.......7...........=.......8.........even
2.......+.......286.......=.......288.......even
3.......+.......200.......=.......203.......odd
?..............?..............?.......?
?..............?..............?.......?
113.....+.......5.........=.......118.......even
114.....+.......6.........=.......120.......even

6555...........6236............6555.......6236

(6+5+5+5) + (6+2+3+6) = 19 ? 2 is multiple!

9128

9129

Total letters 9128 = 60 (even verse total is same as #of even verses in Quran = 60)
Total letters 9129 = 54 (odd verse total is same as #of odd verses in Quran = 54)

60 + 54 = 114 is multiple!

The 19th word is Allah!

Total words 9128 = 14
Total words 9129 = 15

Words, verse are multiple!
14 128 15 129 = 19 x 74358691

(9 + 129 + 12 / 19 = 14 is multiple!

Total gv of 9128 = 2896
Total gv of 9129 = 3882

Verses, words, values are multiple!
128 129 60 54 2896 3882 = 19 x 6743663443629678

Countless other things?
7431 And We did not make the fire's company (guards) ONLY/illa angels, and We did not make their number/count ONLY/illa a test to those who disbelieve...

The internet is littered with those infected (fitna) searching for all things nineteen.

http//bruceadumas.com/db2/00111/bruceadumas.com/_uimages/Curious-Cows-13-x-19.jpg

"Curious Cows"

[6619]

Peace,

If confident below age 40 kill yourself and of course you believe this hadith too

Translation
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most merciful
God's blessings
On Prophet Mohammad and
(may God) keep Ibrahim bin Hussain
bin Wahab bin Amro bin
Safwan with the companions of
Mohammad in heaven

37

Salaam,

In the Quran, Ibrahim is written with only one alif
368
The proof? Guidance (GV 19) from God seperated truth from falsehood.
You can keep your tombstone with Ibrahim mispelled, it does not change anything about Quran.

As for wishing my own death, it is up to you, bear your own sins. I do wish your death no matter what you believe.
If I am wrong about 9128-129 I do not wish to spend more time on earth and it is up to God.
I have absolute certainty they are from satan the rejected. Why? the miracle of 19 gave me certainty per 7431 it skyrocketed my faith. It will never increase yours, therefore you will be guarded by 19 angels if you do not update your beliefs.
God will seperate us on the day of judgment on the issue.

Peace.

[unknownuser]

Salaam,

In the Quran, Ibrahim is written with only one alif
368
The proof? Guidance (GV 19) from God seperated truth from falsehood.
You can keep your tombstone with Ibrahim mispelled, it does not change anything about Quran.

Easy to work backwards
4 + 2 + 4 + 9 = 19

As for wishing my own death, it is up to you, bear your own sins. I do wish your death no matter what you believe.

I was quoting your idol...
http//www.answering-christianity.com/rk_3.htm

HADITH #3 NO POSSIBILITY OF DIVINE PUNISHMENT FOR CRIMS COMMITTED BELOW AGE 40 - EVEN MASS MURDER!

If I am wrong about 9128-129 I do not wish to spend more time on earth and it is up to God.
I have absolute certainty they are from satan the rejected. Why? the miracle of 19 gave me certainty per 7431 it skyrocketed my faith. It will never increase yours, therefore you will be guarded by 19 angels if you do not update your beliefs.
God will seperate us on the day of judgment on the issue.

Now you are judging me for rejecting stupid code idiot idol and what skyrocketed was fitna/sickness easily shattered; I'll repost again...

If you had a slight bit of intelligence and knew basic math you?d easily see that it?s all random meaningless conjectures.

1. Start with preconception to meet desire (fitna)
2. Try all sorts of combinations look for anything nineteen (a hit gives you a buzz)
3. Show only multiples hide everything else that is not multiple

One can find multiples every day; here is chapter 9 with the last two verses included?

Fact sequence of chapter 9 is multiple!
123456789101112131415161718192021222324252627282930313233343536373839404142434445464748495051525354555657
585960616263646566676869707172737475767778798081828384858687888990919293949596979899100
101102103104105106107108109110111112113114115116117118119120121122123124125126127128129

Copy/paste into miracle calculator and see?
http//www.apostatesofislam.com/quran/analyzer.htm

Chapter........verses.........Sum
1.......+.......7...........=.......8.........even
2.......+.......286.......=.......288.......even
3.......+.......200.......=.......203.......odd
?..............?..............?.......?
?..............?..............?.......?
113.....+.......5.........=.......118.......even
114.....+.......6.........=.......120.......even

6555...........6236............6555.......6236

(6+5+5+5) + (6+2+3+6) = 19 ? 2 is multiple!

9128

9129

Total letters 9128 = 60 (even verse total is same as #of even verses in Quran = 60)
Total letters 9129 = 54 (odd verse total is same as #of odd verses in Quran = 54)

60 + 54 = 114 is multiple!

The 19th word is Allah!

Total words 9128 = 14
Total words 9129 = 15

Words, verse are multiple!
14 128 15 129 = 19 x 74358691

(9 + 129 + 12 / 19 = 14 is multiple!

Total gv of 9128 = 2896
Total gv of 9129 = 3882

Verses, words, values are multiple!
128 129 60 54 2896 3882 = 19 x 6743663443629678

Countless other things?
7431 And We did not make the fire's company (guards) ONLY/illa angels, and We did not make their count ONLY/illa a test to those who disbelieve...

Listen to Qur'an, pay very careful attention; spreading lies about God's verses calling them satanic has dire consequences...

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfMby20pLMo

Peace

[6619]

Salaam,

Easy to work backwards
4 + 2 + 4 + 9 = 19

I was quoting your idol...
http//www.answering-christianity.com/rk_3.htm

HADITH #3 NO POSSIBILITY OF DIVINE PUNISHMENT FOR CRIMS COMMITTED BELOW AGE 40 - EVEN MASS MURDER!

Now you are judging me for rejecting stupid code idiot idol and what skyrocketed was fitna/sickness easily shattered; I'll repost again...

If you had a slight bit of intelligence and knew basic math you?d easily see that it?s all random meaningless conjectures.

1. Start with preconception to meet desire (fitna)
2. Try all sorts of combinations look for anything nineteen (a hit gives you a buzz)
3. Show only multiples hide everything else that is not multiple

One can find multiples every day; here is chapter 9 with the last two verses included?

Fact sequence of chapter 9 is multiple!
123456789101112131415161718192021222324252627282930313233343536373839404142434445464748495051525354555657
585960616263646566676869707172737475767778798081828384858687888990919293949596979899100
101102103104105106107108109110111112113114115116117118119120121122123124125126127128129

Copy/paste into miracle calculator and see?
http//www.apostatesofislam.com/quran/analyzer.htm

Chapter........verses.........Sum
1.......+.......7...........=.......8.........even
2.......+.......286.......=.......288.......even
3.......+.......200.......=.......203.......odd
?..............?..............?.......?
?..............?..............?.......?
113.....+.......5.........=.......118.......even
114.....+.......6.........=.......120.......even

6555...........6236............6555.......6236

(6+5+5+5) + (6+2+3+6) = 19 ? 2 is multiple!

9128

9129

Total letters 9128 = 60 (even verse total is same as #of even verses in Quran = 60)
Total letters 9129 = 54 (odd verse total is same as #of odd verses in Quran = 54)

60 + 54 = 114 is multiple!

The 19th word is Allah!

Total words 9128 = 14
Total words 9129 = 15

Words, verse are multiple!
14 128 15 129 = 19 x 74358691

(9 + 129 + 12 / 19 = 14 is multiple!

Total gv of 9128 = 2896
Total gv of 9129 = 3882

Verses, words, values are multiple!
128 129 60 54 2896 3882 = 19 x 6743663443629678

Countless other things?
7431 And We did not make the fire's company (guards) ONLY/illa angels, and We did not make their count ONLY/illa a test to those who disbelieve...

Listen to Qur'an, pay very careful attention; spreading lies about God's verses calling them satanic has dire consequences...

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfMby20pLMo

Peace

Salaam,

and I will say it again because you are so smart
What is that thing in 7431 that will increase the faith of jews, Christians and the believers and leave other like you wonder about what an allegory means?
Thank God I am on the side who have attained certainty regarding the sign linked to the angels (19).
Be honnest what about you? It seems you are on the wrong side sir.

Your numerology does not impress me.

If you want to comment on the miracle of 19, address the statistical miracle
361 summary http//www.islamrevolution.org/361summary.htm
19 summary http//www.islamrevolution.org/miracleof19.htm

If the number related to the angels (19) did not increase your faith, you are in deep trouble because they will guard you (as simple as that), and it is why you are so upset and would be happy to see me dead (see Eid's post yesterday on the thread). Personnally I am ready to die for the truth if need be, if someone attemps to kill me (like Rashad, who was by the way simply an imperfect man, do you dare to face the miracle associated with his death http//www.islamrevolution.org/rashadsdeathandsura19.htm), God willing, I am eager to die and see Gods' judgment regarding those who rejected 19!
If you want to save your soul, one of the steps you have to make is purify your Quran from 9128-129.

Respectfully.
Peace.

Pierre

[Q_student]

Personnally I have absolute certainty that 9128-129 are not part of Quran, I would accept to leave planet earth right away without hesitation if I happened to be wrong. This is how certain I am. God is my witness.

Peace and God bless.

Pierre

Peace brother
No one is interested if you believe in 9128,129 or not. These are part of the Quran and inshallah will remain. RK's Bluff is not going to take space inspite of all the efforts of his followers. Because Shirk is Shirk , no matter in which shape or color it is.
Regards

[drfazl]

Salaam drfazl and all,

You said it absolutely right Your heart will tell you if 9128-129 are part of Quran, IF and only IF you have a good heart, that is to say if you are sincere.

Sura 9 is the only sura that doesn't start with the four worded Bismillah. The Bismillah is the way God blesses each and every sura.
Why wasn't sura 9 blessed with the 19 lettered Bismillah? it is obvious something has to be wrong with sura 9. Actually God blessed it in a hidden manner With His NAME.
There are 168 words God (GV Bismillah) up to 9127, the true last verse of sura 9. 9128-129 do not fall into the realm of God's benediction.
In addition Muhammad is called Raheem in the false verses, which is a divine attribute reserved to God alone in the entire Quran. If you have a good heart, your heart will speak to you.
If you take the time to read and study the article on Islamrevolution.org on 9128-129, you should have answers to all kind of questions http//www.islamrevolution.org/9128129parti.htm

Personnally I have absolute certainty that 9128-129 are not part of Quran, I would accept to leave planet earth right away without hesitation if I happened to be wrong. This is how certain I am. God is my witness.

Peace and God bless.

Pierre

Pierre,

You have not given your understanding except the customary numbers you are aware of. What is wrong with the 2 ayats? How it destroys your iman in Allah and how it is contradicting the rest of the ayats of Quran?

Peace.

.

[unknownuser]

and I will say it again because you are so smart
What is that thing in 7431 that will increase the faith of jews, Christians and the believers and leave other like you wonder about what an allegory means?
Thank God I am on the side who have attained certainty regarding the sign linked to the angels (19).
Be honnest what about you? It seems you are on the wrong side sir.

My faith is mine; and 7431 says no such thing, has been butchered in most all translations especially by your idol.

Yeah seems these guys believe they are on the right side like you (perhaps tell them about your code)...

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jDVXrXkKUg

Your numerology does not impress me.

If you want to comment on the miracle of 19, address the statistical miracle
361 summary http//www.islamrevolution.org/361summary.htm
19 summary http//www.islamrevolution.org/miracleof19.htm

Nor does your obvious manipulation impress me -- it's all bs working stuff backwards change letters to get a multiple.

If the number related to the angels (19) did not increase your faith, you are in deep trouble because they will guard you (as simple as that), and it is why you are so upset and would be happy to see me dead (see Eid's post yesterday on the thread).

The verse says actually the opposite, and again I was quoting your idiot idol.

http//www.answering-christianity.com/rk_3.htm

HADITH #3 NO POSSIBILITY OF DIVINE PUNISHMENT FOR CRIMS COMMITTED BELOW AGE 40 - EVEN MASS MURDER!

Personnally I am ready to die for the truth if need be, if someone attemps to kill me (like Rashad, who was by the way simply an imperfect man, do you dare to face the miracle associated with his death http//www.islamrevolution.org/rashadsdeathandsura19.htm), God willing, I am eager to die and see Gods' judgment regarding those who rejected 19!
If you want to save your soul, one of the steps you have to make is purify your Quran from 9128-129.

He was an idiot!

Those who follow, believe all the prophets bowed down to his ego the most ignorant cattle on the planet.

Have a nice life!

Bye!