The quraan states that the jews & christians have rejected the sanctity of Kaaba
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ahmad bilal-These verses say that many Jews and Nazarenes have rejected the "bayt" that was solidified by Abraham.
- I didn't quite grasp what u mean by "solidified" here.
-However, the Qur'aan implies that this "bayt" (often translated as "house" is not a specific place, but rather, it's an idea or belief system, specifically "submission" (or monotheism).
- Can u please cite where the quraan implies that the bayt in 395 is not a specific place, & is instead a system?
397 Therein are clear signs -- the station of Abraham, and whosoever enters it is in security. It is the duty of all men towards God to come to the House a pilgrim, if he is able to make his way there. As for the unbeliever, God is All-sufficient nor needs any being.
2227 And call out to mankind with the Pilgrimage, they will come to you walking and on every transport, they will come from every deep enclosure.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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belH-Which one is Makam Ebrahim "the place of Ebrahim"... This one
The bayt of God -- a tomb? (God knows whose)
sub'haana Allaah
Would that be outdoing the jews, christians, sunnis & shiites put together.
sub'haana Allaah
Peace
The House of Allah, as God clearly indecating many time in Quran, "Feah Makam Ibrahim Mosla" IN IT THE PLACE OF IBRAHIM" "THE TOMB OF IBRAHIM". By the way, if you read arabic you will note that in the Tomb of Ibrhim, there is a Sign says "Makam Ibrahim".
Now if you think this is not a clear Sign and you think that the Foot Print that in front of Kabba is...Subhan Allah.Moreover, Jews and Christians to not pray in Masjed Elaqsa...hence" the people of the book rejecting the kaaba"
Peace
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belH-The House of Allah, as God clearly indecating many time in Quran, "Feah Makam Ibrahim Mosla" IN IT THE PLACE OF IBRAHIM" "THE TOMB OF IBRAHIM".
- Are u saying makaam = tomb?
And which verse says ""Feah Makam Ibrahim Mosla" ?
Effectively, u are saying that the quraan says, "in it tomb of abraham mosla"....is it.
subh'aana Allaah
-By the way, if you read arabic you will note that in the Tomb of Ibrhim, there is a Sign says "Makam Ibrahim".
- Where is this tomb of abraham?
-Now if you think this is not a clear Sign and you think that the Foot Print that in front of Kabba is...Subhan Allah.
- There might be footprints all around the kaaba. But the quraan doesn't talk about footprints.
397 In it are Signs Manifest; (for example), the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah,- those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith, Allah stands not in need of any of His creatures.
It seems u have given urself only two options what the jews-christians say or what the sunnis-shiites say. How about giving the quraan a try?
-Moreover, Jews and Christians to not pray in Masjed Elaqsa...hence" the people of the book rejecting the kaaba"
The aqsa masjid in jerusalem is umar's idea. Only his followers will take umar's mosque as sacred. And a sunni/jew called abdul malik did order pilgrimage to the dome of the dumping rock. Do u find him to ur satisfaction?
And, yeah....there is no jerusalem in quraan, either; let alone umar's (or anybody else's) fancy.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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Peace "thegod",
- Can u please cite where the quraan implies that the bayt in 395 is not a specific place, & is instead a system?
The passage in 395 leads right up to this implication.
Say, "G-d is truthful, so follow the religion of Abraham, upright (monotheism). And he was not one of the idolators (those who set up partners)." (395)
That passage is immediately followed by 396...
So, that first "bayt" was raised to the people, that is/was with Bekka, having blessings and guidance to the universe. (396)
The verse doesn't say "al-baytin" (the house), it refers to SO THAT (inna) 'BAYT'. So, the only way to interpret what "bayt" the passage is speaking of, we'd have to look at the preceding verse, which mentions what Abraham set up. It wasn't a literal "house", it was a system, the same system we are instructed to follow in 395. If it was speaking of a "house" that was yet to be described, it would've said "inna al-baytini awwal". Instead, it's saying that the first system for the people was built on monotheism. And even though monotheism was set up long before Abraham, the complete system of submission, which involved worshipping G-d without partners, wasn't complete until Abraham... And again, the place of Makka is nowhere mentioned in this passage at all...
The reason the Qur'aan insists that they turned away from this "bayt" isn't because they don't acknowledge the city of Makka. The place of Makka is not mentioned anywhere in the Torah or the Injeel; so, how could they turn away from this place if they'd never even heard of it? They did, however, turn away from pure monotheism and submission by placing partners beside G-d and by taking the wisdom of humans above the wisdom of G-d. This comes in the form of rejecting the Torah for the rabbinical doctrines, as well as placing Jesus as an intercessor with G-d (some modern Christians even call Jesus 'G-d Incarnate'!, which is completely blasphemous). Therefore, by doing these things, they rejected the religion of Abraham, the monotheistic system that he set up for the people.
Peace,
Ahmad
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ahmad bilal-The verse doesn't say "al-baytin" (the house), it refers to SO THAT (inna) 'BAYT'. So, the only way to interpret what "bayt" the passage is speaking of, we'd have to look at the preceding verse, which mentions what Abraham set up. It wasn't a literal "house", it was a system, the same system we are instructed to follow in 395.
- Where is it that "inna" should be "so that"?
1081 Inna aAAtaynakaalkawthara
= So that we have given u alkauthar(?)
Still, it has been referred to as "al-bayt" in various other verses.
Further, in 2227 it talks about people coming to this bayt on foot & on various transports. Coming to an "idea" if they can, & walking & riding?
-If it was speaking of a "house" that was yet to be described, it would've said "inna al-baytini awwal".
- There is no such compulsion. Still, why would u assume that the house had never been referred to before?
-Instead, it's saying that the first system for the people was built on monotheism.
- On what has been the second system built? Where is the second system in the quraan?
-And even though monotheism was set up long before Abraham, the complete system of submission, which involved worshipping G-d without partners, wasn't complete until Abraham...
- Until abraham...."solidified" it? Could u provide relevant verses?
-And again, the place of Makka is nowhere mentioned in this passage at all...
The reason the Qur'aan insists that they turned away from this "bayt" isn't because they don't acknowledge the city of Makka. The place of Makka is not mentioned anywhere in the Torah or the Injeel; so, how could they turn away from this place if they'd never even heard of it?
- Let's talk about becca....did they hear about it?
Why did they reject ishmael? Did they not know he was an honored prophet? What happened to their knowledge?And of course, the jews' rejection of the christ. What is ur explanation?
As for the knowledge of jews & christians regarding abraham & his ways, the quraan is very clear they argue where they have little knowledge & where they have no knowledge.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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ahmad bilal- it refers to SO THAT (inna) 'BAYT'. So, the only way to interpret what "bayt" the passage is speaking of, we'd have to look at the preceding verse
1081 Inna aAAtaynakaalkawthara
= So that we have given u alkawthar
Which preceding verse do v look at to intepret this?
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aakameen
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belH-The House of Allah, as God clearly indecating many time in Quran, "Feah Makam Ibrahim Mosla" IN IT THE PLACE OF IBRAHIM" "THE TOMB OF IBRAHIM".
- Are u saying makaam = tomb?
Peace
Let me ask you a Question WHERE IS THE PLACE OF ABRAHAM TODAY? Please take into consideration that Today Abraham is Dead.
And which verse says ""Feah Makam Ibrahim Mosla" ?
There is no verse that say exactly that, but it say to take the Makam of Abraham a place for prayer "Men Makam Abraham Mosla" in verses 2-125 and " Feah ayat Binat Makam Abraham", which clearly means that the CLEAR SIGN that we all can witness as Prophet Mohamed did is the place where Abraham reside Today--In His TOMB.
Effectively, u are saying that the quraan says, "in it tomb of abraham mosla"....is it.
You know what I'm trying to say, so let us not deviate from the main point, which is "THE CLEAR SIGN IS THE PLACE OF ABRAHAM AND NOT SOME FOOT PRINT"
- Where is this tomb of abraham?
Did you see the picture that I posted--Did you See Abraham and Sara Tomb in the Picture.
- There might be footprints all around the kaaba. But the quraan doesn't talk about footprints.
Did you know that the Suni call the Foot Print in front of Macca's Kaba "Makam Abrahim". Did you see the posted picture...did you see people pray in front of the Foot Print.
It seems u have given urself only two options what the jews-christians say or what the sunnis-shiites say. How about giving the quraan a try?
Show me where did I use non-quranic evidences?
The aqsa masjid in jerusalem is umar's idea. Only his followers will take umar's mosque as sacred. And a sunni/jew called abdul malik did order pilgrimage to the dome of the dumping rock. Do u find him to ur satisfaction?
I thought you do not follow Hadith...where in Quran does it say that Omar Built it....maybe some moslems expanded the place, but not built it from scratch.
Let me give you another Hint...Who was the King of the land that had Jerusalem in 1967, and lost Jerusalem in the war to the Jews? Was that Land Called the Kingdom of Hashimat? Who is the Hashimi? Is Hashimi name related to Prophet MOHAMED TRIBE?And, yeah....there is no jerusalem in quraan, either; let alone umar's (or anybody else's) fancy.
rotfl Of course the Holly Land "Al-ard El Mokadsh" is repeated many times in Quran, Injeel, and Torah.
May God Bless those who are truly seeking THE TRUTH of Their LORD.
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Peace,
396 The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at BakkaFull of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings
I am not sure how you make the leap from Bakka to Mecca. I have a hard time believing that the kaaba that currently stands in Mecca has anything to do with Islam. The similarities of the rituals that 'Muslims' are doing with what the Hindus do are very striking. For instance, the circambulating around this Kaaba, presence of a Zam Zam and revering the black stone. To me these things border on paganism. Why would God want us to venerate a cuboid structure and prostrate in front of it? I remember when I went to the Umrah when I was a kid and venerated this Kaaba. In my juvenile mind I was thinking that somehow by touching this building and kissing it I was getting nearer to God. I have repented from those actions and will not do anything until I know full well what the reasons are behind it.
God Bless,
Said MirzaWe have to go with what is in the Quran as to what is correct in the eyes of Allah.
We are to face Masjid Al-Haram when we pray. Not pray to it, face it.
We are told to visit the Kaaba during Hajj (Surah 215, and allowed to make circuits around the Kaaba Bayt Al-Haram/Al-Bayt Al-Ma'mur (Surah 524).No where in the Quran are we to touch or kiss a stone.
No where in the Quran are we to pray to or face the Kaaba. Even in the original Post, we see in 396 the Kaaba was the first house of worship, the first qiblah. Also established in Surah 2125.We are also warned people will keep the Truth hidden. 2146,159
Pray for guidance.
Peace and blessings.
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Peace
thegod...I have a very important Question I forgot to ask in my last postWhy do Prophet Mohamed Tomb and all His companion Tombs are in Madina and Jordan and non in Macca? I mean there is no trace of any one parried in Macca or within a close rang?
Moreover, Why all the Prophets Tombs are In Jerusalem and the surrounding area but Non in Macca or even within hundreds of Miles?
Give me a clear and reasonable answer".
Peace
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belh-Let me ask you a Question WHERE IS THE PLACE OF ABRAHAM TODAY? Please take into consideration that Today Abraham is Dead.
- First off, where did u get the idea that "makam of abraham" = his tomb?
When the quraan doesn't want us to bother about the tomb of abraham, why bother?
-There is no verse that say exactly that, but it say to take the Makam of Abraham a place for prayer "Men Makam Abraham Mosla" in verses 2-125 and " Feah ayat Binat Makam Abraham", which clearly means that the CLEAR SIGN that we all can witness as Prophet Mohamed did is the place where Abraham reside Today--In His TOMB.
- Nobody resides in a tomb....maybe a zombie would. Maybe somebody with a weird idea of residency would.
There is an interesting legend attached to the cenotaph of patriarchs
According to the midrash, the Patriarchs were buried in the cave because the cave is the threshold to the Garden of Eden. The Patriarchs are said not to be dead but "sleeping". They rise to beg mercy for their children throughout the generations. According to the Zohar, this tomb is the gateway through which souls enter into Gan Edenheaven.
There is a Jewish tradition that praying at the Tomb will bring good fortune in finding a proper spouse. There are Hebrew prayers of supplication for marriage on the walls of the Sarah cenotaph.
"Prayer" at the tomb.
-You know what I'm trying to say, so let us not deviate from the main point, which is "THE CLEAR SIGN IS THE PLACE OF ABRAHAM AND NOT SOME FOOT PRINT"
Did you know that the Suni call the Foot Print in front of Macca's Kaba "Makam Abrahim". Did you see the posted picture...did you see people pray in front of the Foot Print.
- Why are u obsessed with some footprint when the quraan doesn't mention it?
-Did you see the picture that I posted--Did you See Abraham and Sara Tomb in the Picture.
- I see some tombs of God knows who all. The quraan doesn't tell me whose tombs them be, so I won't assume.
-Show me where did I use non-quranic evidences?
- Two of the most prominent words in ur posts seem to be "tomb" & "footprint". The tomb that the jews-christians revere, & the footprint that sunnis-shiites revere. Where are these in the quraan?
What else should I deduct from ur post?
-I thought you do not follow Hadith...where in Quran does it say that Omar Built it....maybe some moslems expanded the place, but not built it from scratch.
- Well, u brought up al-aqsa of jerusalem which exists nowhere in quraan. And how could it, when umar invented it much later.
-Let me give you another Hint...Who was the King of the land that had Jerusalem in 1967, and lost Jerusalem in the war to the Jews? Was that Land Called the Kingdom of Hashimat? Who is the Hashimi? Is Hashimi name related to Prophet MOHAMED TRIBE?
- Let me give u yet another hint the quraan was revealed before 1967. (Remember, paul & sinai?)
And, I don't distinguish between sunni,shiite, jewish & christian ahadith.
-Of course the Holly Land "Al-ard El Mokadsh" is repeated many times in Quran, Injeel, and Torah.
- The quraan does talk about a holy land. It does not talk about jerusalem, if it does then let me know where.
And what can be "holy" about jerusalem, seemingly named after a pagan deity described variously as faithless, harlot, apostate, rejector, killer; nothing "holy" about those words.
-May God Bless those who are truly seeking THE TRUTH of Their LORD.
(amen)
-Why do Prophet Mohamed Tomb and all His companion Tombs are in Madina and Jordan and non in Macca? I mean there is no trace of any one parried in Macca or within a close rang?
Moreover, Why all the Prophets Tombs are In Jerusalem and the surrounding area but Non in Macca or even within hundreds of Miles?
Give me a clear and reasonable answer"
- Tell me this Where does the quran talk about the tomb of muhammad or of other prophets. Why concern urself with tombs (of God knows who all) when the quraan doesn't talk about them?
If u are interesred in legends, then here is some regarding the cenotaph of the patriarchs
The Tombs of the Patriarchs in Hebron, West Bank, is a shrine complex built mainly under Herod (1st cent. BC) with additions by the Crusaders (12th century AD).
It centers around the Cave of Machpelah, an ancient double cave revered since at least 1000 BC as the burial site of the Hebrew patriarchs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and their wives.
This is the second holiest site in Judaism after the Western Wall in Jerusalem and has been a Jewish pilgrimage destination from earliest times to today. It is also highly sacred to Muslims, who revere Abraham highly as a true prophet of God, and to Christians for the same reason.
Nearly all of what is seen today was built by Herod the Great in the 1st century BC in the same style as his Temple of Jerusalem and enclosure at Mamre, neither of which survive. It is thus of inestimable historical value as well as great sacred significance.
Today, the Tombs of the Patriarchs is the center of ongoing conflicts between Palestinians and Jews in Hebron and is therefore carefully segregated and under tight security.
It is not known when this site was first revered as the burial place of Abraham, but recent excavations of the double cave revealed artifacts from the Early Israelite Period (some 30 centuries ago). The great wall that still surrounds the Cave of Machpelah was built by Herod the Great (31-4 BC).
A shrine complex built by herod (the infant-slayer?) over a burial site (supposedly of adam, abraham, isaac & jacob).
sub'haana Allaah
Interestingly, ishamel is missing; even in fiction do they hardly overlook overlooking ishmael. Anyway, not a word about it having anything to do with the House of God. And highly revered by jews, christians, sunnis & shiites.
What do the jews & christians think about ishmael. Why does the quraan condemn them for arguing without knowledge?
Again, I remind -- this is about the bayt of God, not a shrine built by an infant-slayer(?) over tombs of God knows who.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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raginggaijin-No where in the Quran are we to touch or kiss a stone.
Kissing "the black stone" is sunnah of umar, the champion of "the dumping rock". Those who uphold his sunnah kiss& revere "the black stone" & "the dumping rock". It is interesting how significant umar is to sunnism & judaism.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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belh-Let me ask you a Question WHERE IS THE PLACE OF ABRAHAM TODAY? Please take into consideration that Today Abraham is Dead.
- First off, where did u get the idea that "makam of abraham" = his tomb?
Peace
You are ignoring the main point of your post, "The Clear Sign of Makam Ibrahim" that is A LANDMARK, which all people can witness today, as Prophet Mohamed did 1400 years ago.If I agree with You that the Kabba in Mecca is the House of Allah, Where is Makam Abrahim which the Prophet saw and ME AND YOU can see today IN MECCA.
Please tell me and all of us know what is the TRACE of Abrahim in Mecca.
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belh-You are ignoring the main point of your post, "The Clear Sign of Makam Ibrahim" that is A LANDMARK, which all people can witness today, as Prophet Mohamed did 1400 years ago.
If I agree with You that the Kabba in Mecca is the House of Allah, Where is Makam Abrahim which the Prophet saw and ME AND YOU can see today IN MECCA.
Please tell me and all of us know what is the TRACE of Abrahim in Mecca.- Do u realise that to justify (the murderer) herod's shrine u are proposing an inexplicable understanding of "maqaam"?
Can u justify that maqaam = tomb? Or the place where one lived & died? Are we talking about a tree which stands & dies at the same place? If yes, then v can proceed with ur proposition.
Was it abraham & ishamel who raised the structure, or was it herod?
The great wall that still surrounds the Cave of Machpelah was built by Herod the Great (31-4 BC).
Can u provide any evidence that the wall around that cave was built by abraham & ishamel? Why try to justify biblical legends at the cost of turning a killer's shrine (built over tombs of God knows who all) into the house of God?
sub'haana Allaah
Let us look at the biblical account of ur proposed bayt
236 'Listen to us, Sir. You are a prince of God in our midst. Take our best burial site to bury your dead. No one among us will deny you his burial site to bury your dead.'
237 Abraham rose, and he bowed down to the local people, the children of Heth.
238 He spoke to them and said, 'If you really want to help me bury my dead and my presence, listen to me, and speak up for me to Ephron son of Tzohar.
239 Let him sell me the Makhpelah Cave, which belongs to him, at the edge of his field. Let him sell it to me in your presence for its full price, as a burial property.'
2310 Ephron was then sitting among the children of Heth. Ephron the Hittite replied to Abraham in the presence of the children of Heth, so that all who came to the city gate could hear.
2311 'No, my lord,' he said. 'Listen to me. I have already given you the field. I have given you the cave that is there. Here, in the presence of my countrymen, I have given it to you. Bury your dead.'
2312 Abraham bowed down before the local people.
2313 He spoke to Ephron so that all the local people could hear. 'If you will only listen to me,' he said. 'I am giving you the money for the field. Take it from me, and I will bury my dead there.'
Is it a cave that is spoken of in the quraan?
Is it the best burial site that is spoken of in the quraan?
Did abraham ask some people to plead his case with somebody, or was it God who unto alloted him to site? What does the quraan say?
Was abraham to use the site as a cemetery for his people, or for the purpose mentioned in the quraan?
2320 This is how the field and its cave became the uncontested property of Abraham as a burial site, purchased from the children of Heth.
Was the purpose of ur proposed cave to serve as a burial site? Is that what the quraan says?
Is it property of men, or the bayt of God?
Why try to establish a link between two completely unrelated narratives in the quraan & the bible? To go so far as to convert a cave & a cemetery into the bayt of God?
sub'haana Allaah
Do u have evidence to support any of ur claim? Why then reject the accounts accepted by muslim & non-muslim researchers in favor of hostile speculations? Why is it that u entertain legends of jews-christians, but not of sunnis-shiites? What about the hashimi connection of muhammad -- from where did u get that?
I guess u could not locate jerusalem in the quraan. Try this -- locate in the bible the passage where abraham & ishamel build the bayt.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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belh-You are ignoring the main point of your post, "The Clear Sign of Makam Ibrahim" that is A LANDMARK, which all people can witness today, as Prophet Mohamed did 1400 years ago.
If I agree with You that the Kabba in Mecca is the House of Allah, Where is Makam Abrahim which the Prophet saw and ME AND YOU can see today IN MECCA.
Please tell me and all of us know what is the TRACE of Abrahim in Mecca.- Do u realise that to justify (the murderer) herod's shrine u are proposing an inexplicable understanding of "maqaam"?
Can u justify that maqaam = tomb? Or the place where one lived & died? Are we talking about a tree which stands & dies at the same place? If yes, then v can proceed with ur proposition.
Was it abraham & ishamel who raised the structure, or was it herod?
Can u provide any evidence that the wall around that cave was built by abraham & ishamel? Why try to justify biblical legends at the cost of turning a killer's shrine (built over tombs of God knows who all) into the house of God?
sub'haana Allaah
Let us look at the biblical account of ur proposed bayt
Is it a cave that is spoken of in the quraan?
Is it the best burial site that is spoken of in the quraan?
Did abraham ask some people to plead his case with somebody, or was it God who unto alloted him to site? What does the quraan say?
Was abraham to use the site as a cemetery for his people, or for the purpose mentioned in the quraan?
Was the purpose of ur proposed cave to serve as a burial site? Is that what the quraan says?
Is it property of men, or the bayt of God?
Why try to establish a link between two completely unrelated narratives in the quraan & the bible? To go so far as to convert a cave & a cemetery into the bayt of God?
sub'haana Allaah
Do u have evidence to support any of ur claim? Why then reject the accounts accepted by muslim & non-muslim researchers in favor of hostile speculations? Why is it that u entertain legends of jews-christians, but not of sunnis-shiites? What about the hashimi connection of muhammad -- from where did u get that?
I guess u could not locate jerusalem in the quraan. Try this -- locate in the bible the passage where abraham & ishamel build the bayt.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
Peace
Makam Abraham can be translated in the light of the following verse
984
And do not commune over any of them who have died, nor stand at their grave. They have rejected God and His messenger and died while they were wicked.Can you note the verb Takom has the same root as Makam (stand); can you note the word Kabraho which means Grave (Tomb). Now...can we say that Makam Abraham is the Place where the prophet Mohamed "Kama by Abraham Grave"--Stood by his Grave?
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belh-Can you note the verb Takom has the same root as Makam (stand);
- Excellent observation; makam, like takom, could have to do with stand.
-can you note the word Kabraho which means Grave (Tomb).
- Excellent again. Burial place is denoted by q-b-r, both in arabic & hebrew.
I am sure it has not escaped ur acute observation that there is no "q-b-r" mentioned in 397.
-Now...can we say that Makam Abraham is the Place where the prophet Mohamed "Kama by Abraham Grave"--Stood by his Grave?
- As u have urself expertly noted the more appropriate word for tomb (q-b-r), I am sure u will consider that v may not make such an assumption
Further, u will notice many such occurences of "q-m" in the quraan, & if v associate each occurrence with q-b-r, the book will become surely become grave.
-By the way, if you read arabic you will note that in the Tomb of Ibrhim, there is a Sign says "Makam Ibrahim".
Can u give some more information about this; like, maybe, a reference. & something like who wrote in arabic "makam ibrahim," & when?
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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Peace
Makam Abraham can be translated in the light of the following verse
984
And do not commune over any of them who have died, nor stand at their grave. They have rejected God and His messenger and died while they were wicked.Can you note the verb Takom has the same root as Makam (stand); can you note the word Kabraho which means Grave (Tomb). Now...can we say that Makam Abraham is the Place where the prophet Mohamed "Kama by Abraham Grave"--Stood by his Grave?
Peace
The Arabic language is clear in using the verb to name the place where the action of the verb takes place.Therefore, Makam Abraham is the place where people make Ekama in his Grave.
Peace
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belh-The Arabic language is clear in using the verb to name the place where the action of the verb takes place.
Therefore, Makam Abraham is the place where people make Ekama in his Grave.
Another invention. But this time it was funny. Thanks. -)
I guess u could not find any reference for the (arabic) words "makam ibrahim" on the unindentified tombs in the infant slayer's shine, either.
The great wall that still surrounds the Cave of Machpelah was built by Herod the Great (31-4 BC).
There is a Jewish tradition that praying at the Tomb will bring good fortune in finding a proper spouse. There are Hebrew prayers of supplication for marriage on the walls of the Sarah cenotaph.
What makes it funny is the claim that arabic words are found on the tomb.
The rejectors (39 revere a infant slayer's shrine, but not the bayt of God.
sub'haana Allaah
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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belh-The Arabic language is clear in using the verb to name the place where the action of the verb takes place.
Therefore, Makam Abraham is the place where people make Ekama in his Grave.
Another invention. But this time it was funny. Thanks. -)
Peace
Let me show ABC Arabic
Now, the following is in regard of Visiting the Graves
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And do not commune over any of them who have died, nor stand at their grave. They have rejected God and His messenger and died while they were wicked.According to the above verse, God porhibted us and the prophet from prying on nonbelievers when they die or stand at their graves; therefore, visiting the Believers Graves were common during the Prophet and are not prohibited by God but is beneficial
1021 Hoarding has distracted you.
1021
102Until you visit the graves.
1022Therefore, do not mock the practice, specially when it comes to visiting Prophet Abraham Grave; moreover, unless you believe in the Bible and Torah, Your Submission is not Complete.
And Finally, Unless you show us a trace of Prophet Abraham, or any other Prophet, that shows his visit and commitment to Macca, as shows in Jerusalm, you are standing on nothing.
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- Fine there.
- That is absurd.
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And do not commune over any of them who have died, nor stand at their grave. They have rejected God and His messenger and died while they were wicked.According to the above verse, God porhibted us and the prophet from prying on nonbelievers when they die or stand at their graves; therefore, visiting the Believers Graves were common during the Prophet and are not prohibited by God but is beneficial
- The verse says not to stand by their grave. It does not say there is anything beneficial in it.
Why add words to the words of God?
-1021 Hoarding has distracted you.
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102Until you visit the graves.
1022- Again, nothing to suggest making graves the house of God.
-Therefore, do not mock the practice, specially when it comes to visiting Prophet Abraham Grave;
- The practise of praying at graves is especially popular with jews, christians, sunnis & shiites. Nothing to do with the quraan.
As for, the tomb of abraham, u have no proof. Why did u claim that "makam ibrahim" is written on one of the tombs?
-moreover, unless you believe in the Bible and Torah, Your Submission is not Complete.
2111 And they say, 'None shall enter Paradise except that they be Jews or Christians.' Such are their fancies. Say 'Produce your proof, if you speak truly.'
-And Finally, Unless you show us a trace of Prophet Abraham, or any other Prophet, that shows his visit and commitment to Macca, as shows in Jerusalm, you are standing on nothing.
Did u locate jerusalem in the quraan? Or located in the bible the passage where abraham & ishmael build the bayt?
Or the words "makam ibrahim" on the tombs in the killer's shrine. Or get some information about who wrote it & when?
All u have presented is a killer's shrine with tombs of God knows who all.
The tombs are already revered by jews, christians, sunnis & shiites -- is their reverence of those (unidentified) tombs ur proof of their "rejection"? -)
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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- That is absurd.
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Obviously, You are clueless in Arabic.
The place where the action of the verb takes place is named after the verb; and if the action of "Kom" (Stand) according to the verse takes place in Kaber (Grave) " ", THEREFORE, the PLACE CAN BE CALLED MAKAM. !-984
And do not commune over any of them who have died, nor stand at their grave. They have rejected God and His messenger and died while they were wicked.According to the above verse, God porhibted us and the prophet from prying on nonbelievers when they die or stand at their graves; therefore, visiting the Believers Graves were common during the Prophet and are not prohibited by God but is beneficial
- The verse says not to stand by their grave. It does not say there is anything beneficial in it.
Why add words to the words of God?
hmm either you are confused or pretending to be.
Clearly God only prohibiting us from standing and visiting the non-believers Graves; and when you see that God is prohibiting part then the Whole is not; in other words, visiting the believers Graves is HALAL "OKAY".
-1021 Hoarding has distracted you.
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102Until you visit the graves.
1022- Again, nothing to suggest making graves the house of God.
This verse was my Quranic Proof that visiting Graves is Beneficial as the verse shows "The Life distract us from thinking about death UNTIL we visit the Graves and remember DEATH.
It was not about making Graves house of God.
In the Case of the masjed where Abraham parried, I believe that this is a very strong indication that this place was very Spacial to Abraham and Shows His Commitment to the place. And that is why God Gave the prophet a Hint about the House by saying that "Makam Abraham is there" (A CLEAR LANDMARK SIGN).
Now WHAT IS THE SIGN AND THE TRACE OF ABRAHAM IN MECCA? The answer that you are running away from isTHERE IS NO TRACE OF ABRAHAM IN MECCA
I Hope that was big enough for you to see.
Peace