Great Isaiah Scroll
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Peace Belhammad,
According to the Qur'aan, David DID receive a book (4163; 1755). The name "Isaiyah" was identified in the manuscript. However, this Hebrew word can have many meanings, and it's not necessarily referring to a specified person. It literally means "G-d's salvation" (or G-d's aid), and coincidentally, this is the same meaning relayed in the Hebrew name "Yeshua" (or Yahushua), a name of Jesus. However, based on the dating of the book, compared with the dating of Jesus' life (according to theologians and scholars), this book was written before Jesus' birth and after David's death. Therefore, it's most logical to assume that this was likely referring to Isaiyah the prophet, not Jesus...
Peace
I agree with you that Isaiyah could be another prophet whom received divine revelation (384) and not Jesus.But I know that the Dead Sea Scrolls should be studied by people who have Quranic Knowledge, simply because they are the ones who can Judge these Scrolls better.
Moreover, I came a cross this oneThe Nag Hammadi http//www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html
Peace
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belh-Why is it David; after all David came before Jesus and did not receive a book.
The Researcher identified the name Isaiah (Jesus) on the Scroll and not David.thegod - David is not jesus. Nor is isaiah. -)
Read. Jesus is not isaiah. -)
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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Peace BelH,
I know that the Dead Sea Scrolls should be studied by people who have Quranic Knowledge, simply because they are the ones who can Judge these Scrolls better.
Moreover, I came a cross this oneThe Nag Hammadi http//www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html
Very good site. I agree that the Scrolls should be examined by people with Qur'aanic knowledge, and from what I briefly read of it so far, many of the books presented on the website seem to be very consistent with the knowledge in the scriptures... What's your take on the Dead Sea Scrolls? Do you have an opinion regarding the Scrolls of Abraham (mentioned in the Qur'aan)? Do they still exist, and could parts of them be contained within the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Peace,
Ahmad
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And my garment of fire, according to the will of the Majesty, went down to what is strong, and to the 30 unclean part of Nature which (the) power of darkness was covering. And my garment rubbed Nature in her covering. And her unclean 35 femininity was strong. And the wrathful womb came up 19 and made the mind dry, resembling a fish which has a drop of fire and a power of fire. And when Nature 5 had cast off the mind, she was troubled and she wept. When she was hurt, and in her tears, she cast off the power of the Spirit 30 (and) remained as I. I put on the light of the Spirit and I rested with my garment on account of the sight of the fish.
And in order that the deeds of Nature might be condemned, 15 since she is blind, manifold animals came out of her, in accordance with the number of the fleeting winds. All of them came into being in Hades searching for the light 20 of the mind which took shape. They were not able to stand up against it. I rejoiced over their ignorance. I They found me, the son of the Majesty, in 25 front of the womb which has many forms. I put on the beast, and laid before her a great request
that heaven and earth 30 might come into being, in order that the whole light might rise up. For in no other way could the power of the Spirit be saved from bondage except that I appear 35 to her in animal form. Therefore she was gracious to me 20 as if I were her son.
And on account of my request, Nature arose since she possesses of the power of the Spirit and the Darkness 5 and the fire. For she had taken off her forms. When she had cast it off, she blew upon the water. The heaven was created. And from the foam of the heaven 10 the earth came into being. And at my wish it brought forth all kinds of food in accordance with the number of the beasts. And it brought forth dew from the winds on account of you (pl.) and those 15 who will be begotten the second time upon the earth. For the earth possessed a power of chaotic fire. Therefore it brought forth 20 every seed.
And when the heaven and the earth were created, my garment of fire arose in the midst of the cloud of Nature (and) shone upon the whole world 25 until Nature became dry. The Darkness which was its (i.e. the earth's) garment was cast into the harmful waters. The mid?dle region was cleansed from the Darkness. 30 But the womb grieved because of what had happened. She perceived in her parts what was water like a mirror. When she perceived (it), she wondered 25 how it had come into being. Therefore she remained a widow. It also was 21 astonished (that) it was not in her. For still the forms possessed a power of fire and light. It (i.e. the power) remained 5 in order that it might be in Nature until all the powers are taken away from her. For just as the light of the Spirit was completed in three clouds, it is necessary 10 that also the power which is in Hades will be completed at the appointed time. For, because of the grace of the Majesty, I came forth to her from the water for the second time. 15 For my face pleased her. Her face also was glad.
O soul, persistent one, in what ignorance you exist! For who is your guide into the darkness? How many likenesses did Christ take on because of you! Although he was God, he was found among men as a man. He descended to the Underworld. He released the children of death. They were in travail, as the scripture of God has said. And he sealed up the (very) heart of it (the Underworld). And he broke its (the Underworld's) strong bows completely. And when all the powers had seen him, they fled, so that he might bring you, wretched one, up from the Abyss, and might die for you as a ransom for your sin. He saved you from the strong hand of the Underworld.
ahmadbilal-many of the books presented on the website seem to be very consistent with the knowledge in the scriptures
- Right, that is very consistent with the knowledge in the scriptures of rejectors.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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Peace BelH,
Very good site. I agree that the Scrolls should be examined by people with Qur'aanic knowledge, and from what I briefly read of it so far, many of the books presented on the website seem to be very consistent with the knowledge in the scriptures... What's your take on the Dead Sea Scrolls? Do you have an opinion regarding the Scrolls of Abraham (mentioned in the Qur'aan)? Do they still exist, and could parts of them be contained within the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Peace,
Ahmad
Peace
So far, I believe these are the Books that God mentioned in Quran; moreover, I believe that God wants us to study these books in order to know the wisdom of these magnificent prophets in confronting the Lies of the Religious Lords. And when you analyze what we are going through today, when confronting the Lies of the religious Lords and their students (slaves), you will note that you are doing the same duties as these great People.
When I read through the Posts (in Free Minds) of those who confronted their people, and the suffering they are experiencing due to their courage, I feel that God will have to give victory to them...932 They want to extinguish God?s light with their mouths, but God refuses such and lets His light continue, even if the rejecters hate it.
Here another verse from Quran that talks about those who reject the Torah and Injeel
2113 And the Jews said ?The Nazarenes have no basis,? and the Nazarenes said ?The Jews have no basis,? while they are both reciting the Scripture! Similarly, those who do not know have said the same thing. God will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection in what they disputed.
May God Increase the Wisdom and Knowledge of Those who are seeking it.
Peace -
Peace BelH,
What's your take on the Dead Sea Scrolls? Do you have an opinion regarding the Scrolls of Abraham (mentioned in the Qur'aan)? Do they still exist, and could parts of them be contained within the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Peace Ahamed
When I was reading through one of Najhammadi Scroll (http//www.v-a.com/bible/mark_1-4.html#MARK1) I noted thisBegin Quote
- The beginning of the Revelation* of Jesus Christ
- As it was written by Isaiah the Prophet, that,
End Quote
Is this mean that Isaiah is a Prophet who Wrote Jesus Bible...Is Isaiah "Yahiah" ?
Is the Scroll of Isiah = the Bible of Jesus?what do you think?
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Peace BelH,
When I was reading through one of Najhammadi Scroll (http//www.v-a.com/bible/mark_1-4.html#MARK1) I noted this
Begin Quote
- The beginning of the Revelation* of Jesus Christ
- As it was written by Isaiah the Prophet, that,
End Quote
Is this mean that Isaiah is a Prophet who Wrote Jesus Bible...Is Isaiah "Yahiah" ?
Is the Scroll of Isiah = the Bible of Jesus?what do you think?
I never noticed this before...
Based on this writing, I think this is very possible, and the Injeel may possibly be the scrolls of Isaiyah; but this depends on certain conditions. As already mentioned, the names "Isaiyah" and "Yahoshua" have nearly identical Hebrew meanings (i.e. G-d's salvation; G-d's aid)... This is interesting too, considering the fact that the Biblical "new testament" often speaks of Jesus quoting from the writings of Isaiyah throughout his ministry. In fact, other than the Torah, this is the ONLY book he is recorded as quoting from. So, maybe this is the reference in the Qur'aan where he is mentioned as being taught the Torah and the Injeel...
Now, the question arises Was Jesus sent the scrolls of Isaiyah, or was this a characteristic of something else? Or even more questionable Is the Qur'aanic person "Esa" the same person as the Biblical person "Jesus"?
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace BelH,
I never noticed this before...
Based on this writing, I think this is very possible, and the Injeel may possibly be the scrolls of Isaiyah; but this depends on certain conditions. As already mentioned, the names "Isaiyah" and "Yahoshua" have nearly identical Hebrew meanings (i.e. G-d's salvation; G-d's aid)... This is interesting too, considering the fact that the Biblical "new testament" often speaks of Jesus quoting from the writings of Isaiyah throughout his ministry. In fact, other than the Torah, this is the ONLY book he is recorded as quoting from. So, maybe this is the reference in the Qur'aan where he is mentioned as being taught the Torah and the Injeel...
Now, the question arises Was Jesus sent the scrolls of Isaiyah, or was this a characteristic of something else? Or even more questionable Is the Qur'aanic person "Esa" the same person as the Biblical person "Jesus"?
Peace,
Ahmad
Peace Ahamed
Acording to Quran, Yahia the Son of Zakaria was a prophet during the Christ time...moreover, he received Revelation from God. Here is a question, why God would send two different revealtion in one time period to the same people? The logic answer would be is that Yahia and Jesus were teaching from the same source and from the same revelation--THE INJEEL AND TORAH.For the next question, yes, Isa, the son of Mariam is Jesus Christ, according to Quran.
Peace
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Hi,
but in arabic Isae is much closer to Issa
and Yeshua will be closer to Yahya.Don't you think?
Will it be possible that we just thought it the other way around, in any case both Issa and Yahya were messengers and prophetes.
God bless
Peace
I agree about the names issue, but I disagree about that both were Messengers and Prophets.
According to Quran, Isa was a Messenger and Yahya was a Prophet.
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Peace BelH,
Acording to Quran, Yahia the Son of Zakaria was a prophet during the Christ time...moreover, he received Revelation from God. Here is a question, why God would send two different revealtion in one time period to the same people? The logic answer would be is that Yahia and Jesus were teaching from the same source and from the same revelation--THE INJEEL AND TORAH.
For the next question, yes, Isa, the son of Mariam is Jesus Christ, according to Quran.
Well, that's something I never really considered. Is "Esa" (Jesus) called a "prophet" in the Qur'aan, or is he just called a messenger? Since the prophets received scriptures, or wrote their own revelations with divine inspiration, then Jesus would have to be a prophet if he received the Injeel. However, if he only received the Injeel through another prophet, then this would only make him a messenger, one who simply confirms the scripture and doesn't receive one of his own... I believe the scriptures call Jesus as prophet, meaning he actually received the Injeel himself...
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace BelH,
Well, that's something I never really considered. Is "Esa" (Jesus) called a "prophet" in the Qur'aan, or is he just called a messenger? Since the prophets received scriptures, or wrote their own revelations with divine inspiration, then Jesus would have to be a prophet if he received the Injeel. However, if he only received the Injeel through another prophet, then this would only make him a messenger, one who simply confirms the scripture and doesn't receive one of his own... I believe the scriptures call Jesus as prophet, meaning he actually received the Injeel himself...
Peace,
Ahmad
Peace
According to my reading in Quran, Jesus was never called a prophet but Messenger.
Moreover, Jesus was GIVEN the Injeel, as was Mosses GIVEN the Torah, and not SENT DOWN into him according to Quran.
For further backup information, please review thishttp//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598139.0
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According to my reading in Quran, Jesus was never called a prophet but Messenger.
I was listening while reading; scroll to minute 657...
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5aIi3OqOJU
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He said "That I am God's worshipper, He gave me The Book and He made me a prophet."
A very familiar verse.
Peace
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I was listening while reading; scroll to minute 657...
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5aIi3OqOJU
1930
He said "That I am God's worshipper, He gave me The Book and He made me a prophet."
A very familiar verse.
Peace
Peace
Thank you for pointing this verse; thus, according to Quran, Jesus was a Prophet and a Messenger.
Thank you again.
May God Bless -
Peace all,
What is most puzzling that God taught Jesus the Book, the Wisdom, the Torah and the Injeel but taught Mohammed the Book and the Wisdom only. The Book that was taught to Mohammed is a confirmation of what was brought by Moses and taught to Jesus. The Wisdom could be the criterion or what the Jews call the Mitzva or the Negative commandments that can be carried out on a personal level. Then it gets more problematic when you put the Quran in, what is the relation of the Book to the Quran? Who includes who? What are the seven pairs? What is the Torah and what is the Injeel and why were they not taught to the people around the ancient house?
Peace,
Rami