Refuting the 2 Salaat Theory
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Peace
Would you please explain ,what do you want to say ?
Any evidence for this literal meanings ?
Regards
RegardsSalaam student
I am saying that almarh0m is explaining his understanding, not giving a translation. if you want to criticize it, you cannot criticize it "linguistically". If he understands that "slaat" is commitment, what's wrong with his rendition? The other option is "moderate commitment", but unless you know he wants this meaning, you cannot say his rendition is linguistically unacceptable. -
peace almarh0m,
I am aware of that as you already pointed out to me in another thread about hajj and ila , this is my personal understanding and interpretation and I believe it fits the context of 2238 . I would appreciate any further help to clarify the meaning of 'al wusta' in the context of the verse ( if I take Salat not to mean "ritual prayer" ) .
Yes, nowhere in The Quran does it say "hjj" "ila (to)" anywhere. This a myth/fabrication, one promoted by the free-minds translation and many translations I might add.
My rendition of 'al salat al wusta' can be found in the thread you also discussed in. The main problem with your understanding and understandings similar to this, is that they then try to explain away 2239 with bizarre explanations and are forced to throw cross referencing in the bin. Unless, you have a new/better explanation for it. As far as I'm aware, the rendition I favour is the only one without problems and is most accurate to the Arabic.
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Peace everyone,
The fajr and isha salaats are mentioned in the qur'aan 2458 in the following form without AL before salaat
Salaat al-fajr salaat OF fajr
Salaat al-3isha salaat OF 3ishaThe salaat mentioned in 2238 is in the following form with AL before salaat
Al-salaat al-wusta
Clearly everybody can see that the forms are different so the salaat in 2236 cannot be referring to a salaat at a certain time of the day similar to salaat al-fajr or salaat al-3isha.
Once again, if al-wusta means middle here, did the god forget to tell us whether it is middle of daytime or middle of night? One sect says it is middle of daytime and another sect says it is middle of night. I guess the god is forgetful and forgot this crucial detail. How retarded of the god to tell us about a "middle" salaat and then not tell us whether he means middle of night or middle of daytime?
Salawaat in 2236 covers all the salaats in a lifetime. There is no word in that sign signifying it is referring only to a day. Mentioning another separate salaat after already mentioning all the salaats in a lifetime would be redundant but I forgot that the qur'aan uses very poor language with redundancies indicative of a retarded author.
If my English teacher tells me "Bring your books and the English book", I wouldn't want that person to be my English teacher anymore.
"Prayer" is referred to as "du3a" in the qur'aan. You can pray/du3a as many times as you want similar to "praying" morning, evening, noon in the bible. In addition to that, how do we know that the "three times a day" has been fabricated or not in the bible pertaining to "praying" if it is indeed referring to "salaat"? The bible also claims Jesus is the literal begotten son of the god. Salaat is not "prayer" as used in the qur'aan but it means "connection/bond" according to the context.
The qur'aan is also THE CRITERION in addition to being THE REMINDER. We cannot fit the qur'aan to conform to the bible but it should be the other way around.
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The bible also claims Jesus is the literal begotten son of the god.
Bring your proof for that.
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Peace Samia, almarhom,
"Moderate commitment" means something completely different from "commitment to moderation". If an Arabic phrase can be literally translated to "moderate commitment" (moderate-adjective, commitment-noun) then interpreting it as "commitment to moderation" (moderation-noun, commitment-noun) is AT BEST inventing lies about the god and twisting his words. The Arabic for the second interpretation would be "al-salaat LI al-alwusta".
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Peace progressive,
Bring the undisputed ORIGINAL manuscript of the torah saying "Daniel knelt and prayed three times a day".
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Peace progressive,
Bring the undisputed ORIGINAL manuscript of the torah saying "Daniel knelt and prayed three times a day".
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Proves that you cannot provide evidence for your statement. It says that in the Old Testament. Check for yourself if you want. I know it baffels you to see that Prophets in the Old Testament are recorded to have prayed 3 times per day.
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Peace,
And the old testament is the original torah?
Main Entrypsy?cho?sis
Pronunciation\s-k-ss
Functionnoun
Inflected Form(s)plural psy?cho?ses -sz
EtymologyNew Latin
Date1847
fundamental derangement of the mind (as in schizophrenia) characterized by defective or lost contact with reality especially as evidenced by delusions, hallucinations, and disorganized speech and behavior -
Peace,
And the old testament is the original torah?
Main Entrypsy?cho?sis
Pronunciation\s-k-ss
Functionnoun
Inflected Form(s)plural psy?cho?ses -sz
EtymologyNew Latin
Date1847
fundamental derangement of the mind (as in schizophrenia) characterized by defective or lost contact with reality especially as evidenced by delusions, hallucinations, and disorganized speech and behaviorNo need in trying to attack/insult me. Just back up your earlier statement, that's all I wanted you to do. No need to get all defensive and insult/attack me just because you can't.
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Peace everyone,
The fajr and isha salaats are mentioned in the qur'aan 2458 in the following form without AL before salaat
Salaat al-fajr salaat OF fajr
Salaat al-3isha salaat OF 3ishaThe salaat mentioned in 2238 is in the following form with AL before salaat
Al-salaat al-wusta
Clearly everybody can see that the forms are different so the salaat in 2236 cannot be referring to a salaat at a certain time of the day similar to salaat al-fajr or salaat al-3isha.
Once again, if al-wusta means middle here, did the god forget to tell us whether it is middle of daytime or middle of night? One sect says it is middle of daytime and another sect says it is middle of night. I guess the god is forgetful and forgot this crucial detail. How retarded of the god to tell us about a "middle" salaat and then not tell us whether he means middle of night or middle of daytime?
Salawaat in 2236 covers all the salaats in a lifetime. There is no word in that sign signifying it is referring only to a day. Mentioning another separate salaat after already mentioning all the salaats in a lifetime would be redundant but I forgot that the qur'aan uses very poor language with redundancies indicative of a retarded author.
If my English teacher tells me "Bring your books and the English book", I wouldn't want that person to be my English teacher anymore.
"Prayer" is referred to as "du3a" in the qur'aan. You can pray/du3a as many times as you want similar to "praying" morning, evening, noon in the bible. In addition to that, how do we know that the "three times a day" has been fabricated or not in the bible pertaining to "praying" if it is indeed referring to "salaat"? The bible also claims Jesus is the literal begotten son of the god. Salaat is not "prayer" as used in the qur'aan but it means "connection/bond" according to the context.
The qur'aan is also THE CRITERION in addition to being THE REMINDER. We cannot fit the qur'aan to conform to the bible but it should be the other way around.
Peace Brother
You saidThe fajr and isha salaats are mentioned in the qur'aan 2458 in the following form without AL before salaat
Salaat al-fajr salaat OF fajr
Salaat al-3isha salaat OF 3ishaWhere did you get that "idhafat ma3nwiyya" can take "al " at "mudhaaf" ?
Evidence is requested
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Peace progressive,
Did I say you are psychotic? I merely gave a dictionary definition of psychosis.
I could have said that laughing at me is ridiculing me.
Did I say anywhere that the original torah claimed that Jesus is the literal begotten son of the god?
Bring the undisputed ORIGINAL manuscript of the torah saying "Daniel knelt and prayed three times a day".
2875 And We will extract from every nation a witness, then We will say ?Bring forth your proof.? They will then realize that all truth belongs with God, and what they had invented will abandon them.
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Peace progressive,
Did I say you are psychotic? I merely gave a dictionary definition of psychosis.
I could have said that laughing at me is ridiculing me.
Bring the undisputed ORIGINAL manuscript of the torah saying "Daniel knelt and prayed three times a day".
2875 And We will extract from every nation a witness, then We will say ?Bring forth your proof.? They will then realize that all truth belongs with God, and what they had invented will abandon them.
I have brought my proof. Now bring yours for your statement. I believe there is a forum rule that says if you say something about Islam then you need to back it up by the Quran. I believe the same goes for what you have said.
And you were implying to insult me. No ambiguity in that.Again, it proves that you have no evidence and come up with nonsense. Do you expect me to send you a hardcopy of the Torah through the internet?
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Peace,
I have brought my proof. Now bring yours for your statement.
Where is your proof? i don't see any quote from the ORIGINAL TORAH. You are lying that the god says something in the torah (according to the old testament) and then you are not bringing evidence to back it up. You are the one violating the rules of the forum by doing that.
And you were implying to insult me. No ambiguity in that.
Since when can you read minds? Now you are accusing me, which is against the rules of the forum. You also laughed at me which is RIDICULE. Again against the rules of the forum.
Again, it proves that you have no evidence and come up with nonsense.
Since you haven't backed up your claim from the ORIGINAL TORAH, it proves that you have no evidence and came up with nonsense.
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Peace,
Where is your proof? i don't see any quote from the ORIGINAL TORAH. You are lying that the god says something in the torah and then you are not bringing evidence to back it up. You are the one violating the rules of the forum by doing that.
Since when can you read minds? Now you are accusing me, which is against the rules of the forum. You also laughed at me which is RIDICULE. Again against the rules of the forum.
Since you haven't backed up your claim from the ORIGINAL TORAH, it proves that you have no evidence and came up with nonsense.
This is pathetic. You didnt bring proofs and now your beating around the bush. I laughed because your claims are pathetic. That's all. If you want, then just continue to pray 2 x per day. Did I say that you shouldnt?
All I wanted is that you bring a proof for your earlier statement - that't all. No need to attack me, like you did.Peace
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Peace,
This is pathetic. You didnt bring proofs and now your beating around the bush. I laughed because your claims are pathetic. That's all. If you want, then just continue to pray 2 x per day. Did I say that you shouldnt?
All I wanted is that you bring a proof for your earlier statement - that't all. No need to attack me, like you did.Yes this is pathetic. I STILL dont see any proof from the original torah about Daniel praying three times a day.
No need to ridicule, like you did. All I want is that you bring a proof for your statement that Daniel prayed three times a day from the original torah. Otherwise stop lying about the god.
If you want, then just continue to pray 2 x per day.
Now you are lying about what I said.
Where did I say that one can pray 2 x per day?
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Peace,
Yes this is pathetic. I STILL dont see any proof from the original torah about Daniel praying three times a day.
No need to ridicule, like you did. All I want is that you bring a proof for your statement that Daniel prayed three times a day from the original torah. Otherwise stop lying about the god.
your starting again...
I gave you a reference. You can go to a book shop close to you and by the Old Testament and check it for yourself.
I am sorry to inform you that I cant send you a hard copy of the OT through the internet.You have to start abiding to the forum rules. You cant just make claims without giving evidence. And YES you did imply that had psychosis or whatever other bull****. Learn some manners. Your claims try to hide the fact that you cant bring evidene for your erronous claim and that you insulted me indirectly.
There is absolutley no need to continue this discussion. Lets just leave it there. Pray your dawn and dusk salaats - idc.
Peace
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Peace,
your starting again...
I gave you a reference. You can go to a book shop close to you and by the Old Testament and check it for yourself.
I am sorry to inform you that I cant send you a hard copy of the OT through the internet.Your starting again...
Old testament is the original torah?
I demand you prove your statement that Daniel prayed three times a day from the original torah. Otherwise stop lying about the god.
You have to start abiding to the forum rules. You cant just make claims without giving evidence.
Yes, please start abiding BY the forum rules. You can't just make claims without giving evidence.
And YES you did imply that had psychosis or whatever other bull****. Learn some manners. Your claims try to hide the fact that you cant bring evidene for your erronous claim and that you insulted me indirectly.
And YES, you did accuse me of insulting you and you ridiculed me. Learn some manners.
Your claims try to hide the fact that you can't bring evidence for your erroneous claim that Daniel prayed three times a day from the ORIGINAL TORAH.
There is absolutley no need to continue this discussion. Lets just leave it there. Pray your dawn and dusk salaats - idc.
There is absolutely no need to continue your lying about me. Where did I say that one can pray dawn and dusk salaats?
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Peace,
Your starting again...
Old testament is the original torah?
I demand you prove your statement that Daniel prayed three times a day from the original torah. Otherwise stop lying about the god.
Yes, please start abiding BY the forum rules. You can't just make claims without giving evidence.
And YES, you did accuse me of insulting you and you ridiculed me. Learn some manners.
Your claims try to hide the fact that you can't bring evidence for your erroneous claim that Daniel prayed three times a day from the ORIGINAL TORAH.
There is absolutely no need to continue your lying about me. Where did I say that one can pray dawn and dusk salaats?
Look...
your pulling this arguement into a quite sizeble length. You know very well that you have indirectly insulted me and that you did not bring any evidence for you claim. This discussion is totally useless, a waste of my times and of yours and it shows how you ignore simple questions and statements. You get really offensive when you cant back up your statements.
Lets just leave it at that. There is no point to continue this arguement.
Peace
Peace
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Peace,
Look...
your pulling this arguement into a quite sizeble length. You know very well that you have indirectly insulted me and that you did not bring any evidence for you claim. This discussion is totally useless, a waste of my times and of yours and it shows how you ignore simple questions and statements. You get really offensive when you cant back up your statements.
Lets just leave it at that. There is no point to continue this arguement.
Look...
You are pulling this argument to quite a sizeable length. You know very well that you have ridiculed me and accused me of insulting you and that you did not bring any evidence for you claim. This discussion is totally useless, a waste of my times and of yours and it shows how you ignore simple questions and statements. You are the one who gets really offensive when you cant back up your statements.
Lets just leave it at that. There is no point in continuing this argument.
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Peace,
Your starting again...
Old testament is the original torah?
I demand you prove your statement that Daniel prayed three times a day from the original torah. Otherwise stop lying about the god.
Yes, please start abiding BY the forum rules. You can't just make claims without giving evidence.
And YES, you did accuse me of insulting you and you ridiculed me. Learn some manners.
Your claims try to hide the fact that you can't bring evidence for your erroneous claim that Daniel prayed three times a day from the ORIGINAL TORAH.
There is absolutely no need to continue your lying about me. Where did I say that one can pray dawn and dusk salaats?
Peace Brother
You are giving cirucular arguement just like brother Ayman.He has given you the reference ,now it is your duty to check it and prove that his reference is wrong.
Regards
