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Are we punished before we go to heaven?

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    YAYA
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    I am asking those who have studied the whole Quran.
    If its not in the Quran then God hasn't told us.
    IS THERE ANY THING GOD AS NOT TOLD US, ASK THE PROPHET
    I'm not going to read some garbage just to give me a false answer. It won't be satisfactory.

    What is wrong with your logic? * Do you have another book to uphold? * In it, do you find anything you want?

    I already sent you many similar verses. It is up to you to accept God's words or reject them.

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      YAYA
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      Peace

      So we go to hell for a bit then after a period of time we go to heaven? confused
      Do you have Quranic proof for this?

      God bless

      A translation of what we read in the Qur'an tells us this

      {"Surely, We have prepared for the evildoers a fire, whose pavilion encompasses them. If they call for help, they will be helped with water like molten copper that will scald their faces. How dreadful a drink and how evil a resting place.} (Al-Kahf 18 29)

      In another part of the Qur'an, we read

      {Certainly, Allah has cursed the unbelievers and prepared for them a blazing fire to dwell therein forever, they shall find neither protector nor helper. On the day when their faces are turned about in the fire, they shall say, "Would that we had obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger!"} (Al-Ahzab 33 64-66)

      There are other descriptions of Hell that are graphically horrific. Muslims believe that some people will be sent to Hell for all eternity, because we are told so in either the Qur'an or in the sayings of the Prophet (peace be upon him). They will never leave. Some of these people are actually mentioned by name.

      According to authorities in Hadith like Al-Bukhari and Muslim, such people include Abu Lahab, Amr ibn Luhai Al-Khuzai, and others. Those who aren't identified by name are identified by description every unbeliever, polytheist, or hypocrite (those who pretend they are Muslims but are not.)

      All Muslims in Heaven?

      As for your assertion that all Muslims will go to Heaven, we must, of course, add the words, in sha' Allah. We can never presume Allah's actions towards us. Only He knows the true intentions of our hearts.

      Given this proviso, however, we do believe that Muslims will go to Heaven, even though they may have committed terrible crimes while they were alive. Muslim belief about this is as follows

      When a person dies, he or she will be laid in the grave. The Prophet told us that in the grave, all people will be questioned in the grave about their belief. They will sit up and answer the angels' questions. The believers will answer, "Allah is my Lord, Islam is my religion, and Muhammad is my prophet." The unbelievers will say, "I do not know. I heard the people saying something and I said it."

      Once again, Prophet Muhammad is recorded to have said many things about this. Those Muslims who led good lives, obedient to the will of Allah, will rest in comfort in the grave, awaiting the Day of Judgment. Those Muslims who led bad lives, or who were Muslim in name only, will be punished severely in the grave.

      In the Qur'an, we read

      {If you could only see when the evildoers are in the agonies of death and the angels are stretching out their hands, saying, "Give up your souls! Today you shall be rewarded with the punishment of humiliation for what you used to say untrue about Allah, and for scornfully rejecting His signs."} (Al-An`am 6 93)

      On the Day of Judgment, all people will be raised from their graves and their lives will be placed before them. They will have to give an account of how they lived. Good deeds will be weighed against bad deeds.

      Once people's deeds have been weighed up and the remaining balance is in their favor, they will then have to give justice to those they offended in this life. If they offended someone, some of their remaining good deeds will be transferred to the offended.

      If, after all this, their good deeds weigh as much as even just an atom, they will, in sha' Allah, enter Paradise. If, on the other hand, their good deeds have been exhausted in making up for wrongs they did to others, the offended will transfer some of their bad deeds, so that they go to Hell and suffer not only for their own bad deeds but also for the bad deeds of those they offended.

      Allah knows what is best. As Muslims we believe that some Muslims will enter Hell and will remain there being punished until such time as Allah allows them to be released.

      Not Temporary, But Relief Is Possible

      This is not a temporary Hell. Hell is a fixed, permanent place, but Allah may allow some Muslims to be released from it because of His mercy.

      We believe that the Prophet will be allowed by Allah to intercede on behalf of some believers who are in Hell, and by Allah's will they will be taken out of Hell.

      Allah will also take out of the Hell some believers, not because someone has interceded on their behalf, but simply because He chooses to.

      Your simple question, then, required quite a complicated answer! In summary, as Muslims we believe some wicked Muslims will be sent to Hell for a limited time but ultimately will be granted Paradise because of the mercy of Allah.

      I hope that this answers your question. Please keep in touch.

      Salam.

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        nsws1988
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        Peace

        Thanks for the Quranic verses YAYA. Remember the prophet Mohammed never died and came back to life nor does he know the future to know what happens in the grave or what happens at Judgement day other than what was revealed to him in the Quran...

        They say 'If only a sign was sent down to him from his Lord?' Say, 'The future belongs to God; so wait. I too will wait along with you!'

        Say, 'I have no power to benefit or harm myself. What happens to me is only what God wills and if I knew the future I would have taken only the good things and evil would not afflict me. I am only a warner and a bringer of good news to a community who believe

        Say, "I do not say to you that I possess the treasures of GOD. Nor do I know the future"

        They say, "How come no miracle came down to him from his Lord?" Say, "The future belongs to GOD; so wait, and I am waiting along with you."

        "I do not claim that I possess the treasures of GOD, nor do I know the future"

        Say, "No one in the heavens and the earth knows the future except GOD"

        I recommend belH's response. It contradicts with some of your claims.

        God bless

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          YAYA
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          Peace

          Thanks for the Quranic verses YAYA. Remember the prophet Mohammed never died and came back to life nor does he know the future to know what happens in the grave or what happens at Judgement day other than what was revealed to him in the Quran...

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          They say 'If only a sign was sent down to him from his Lord?' Say, 'The future belongs to God; so wait. I too will wait along with you!'

          Say, 'I have no power to benefit or harm myself. What happens to me is only what God wills and if I knew the future I would have taken only the good things and evil would not afflict me. I am only a warner and a bringer of good news to a community who believe

          Say, "I do not say to you that I possess the treasures of GOD. Nor do I know the future"

          They say, "How come no miracle came down to him from his Lord?" Say, "The future belongs to GOD; so wait, and I am waiting along with you."

          "I do not claim that I possess the treasures of GOD, nor do I know the future"

          Say, "No one in the heavens and the earth knows the future except GOD"

          I recommend belH's response. It contradicts with some of your claims.

          God bless

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            nsws1988
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            Don't bang your head on the wall )

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              afridi220
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              Don't bang your head on the wall
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              No problem he is headless. '(

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                belH
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                Muslim belief about this is as follows

                When a person dies, he or she will be laid in the grave. The Prophet told us that in the grave, all people will be questioned in the grave about their belief. They will sit up and answer the angels' questions. The believers will answer, "Allah is my Lord, Islam is my religion, and Muhammad is my prophet." The unbelievers will say, "I do not know. I heard the people saying something and I said it."

                Peace All

                I'm advising you to Not Associate with God's Religion What Was not Revealed in Quran, otherwise, You are committing the SIN that God Does Not Forgive--SHIRK.

                Say ?My Lord has forbidden all lewd action, what is obvious from them and what is subtle, and sin, and aggression without cause, and that you associate with God that which He has never authorized (revealed in His Books), and that you say about God what you do not know* .?

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                • What we Do not Know About God is What He Did Not Reveal in His Books (True Quran, Torah, and Injeel)

                The Hadiths that you are Quoting Are NOT the Words of God Nor The Words of Prophet Mohamed, who was forbidden to Speak about God What was not Revealed to Him; hence, every Word That was revealed to the Prophet is Written By Him during His Life Time.

                If you keep spreading conjecture about the UNSEEN, you will be Sorry in the Hereafter.

                Please, Read the Following Verses and Let me Know what they Mean

                6112 And as such, We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and Jinn devils - to inspire each other with fancy words in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.
                6112

                6113That is so the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter will listen to it, and they will accept it, and they will take of it what they will.
                6113

                6114 ?Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you this Scripture fully detailed?? Those to whom We have given the Scripture know it is sent down from your Lord with truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.
                6114

                6115 And the word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice; there is no changing His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.

                6115

                6116 And if you obey the majority of those on Earth they will lead you away from God?s path; that is because they follow conjecture, and that they should keep their Words to Themselves.
                6116

                May God Bless Those who are seeking The Truth of Their Lord--Allah.

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                  nsws1988
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                  YAYA

                  Also read the message that I sent you a few days ago. They are all God's verses from the Quran.

                  God bless

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                    MUNZIR_ALI
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                    What message? just curious? ;D

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                      nsws1988
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                      What message? just curious? ;D

                      Peace

                      Just a pm I sent to him. Quranic verses related to

                      • Quran being complete
                      • Not to follow hadeeths
                      • Prophet Mohammed couldn't tell the future
                      • Prophet Mohammed was not allowed by God to utter any other teachings
                      • God explains the Quran
                      • Messengers deliever God's message only

                      God bless

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                        MUNZIR_ALI
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                        Peace

                        • Prophet Mohammed couldn't tell the future

                        God bless

                        According to the hadhis the prophet once saw a dead jewess who was put in a coffin for burial...the prophet (according to the hadhis) said the women is burning in hell.. rotfl

                        Can you believe this?

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                          Rev_John
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                          Why would he think that?

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                            No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                            Why would he think that?

                            It's fabricated. Prophet Muhammad did not actually say that. It's from Hadiths - the same thing that says that the "earth is carried on a bull".

                            I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                              Rev_John
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                              rotfl I understand now. Why are all these things made up by people about Muhammad, Jesus, and even God unless it be to control the people and stop them from thinking for themselves?

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                                Peace Rev.

                                The ahadeeth of the Schools of muslim thought are very much like not letting people think. It tells people how to eat, which hand to eat with, how to trim their pubic hair, when they should cut this or that. It is very detailed in alot of everyday activities one should do. It's like instead of living your life you're born with a book in your hand telling you what should be done.

                                Joe

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                                  Rev_John
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                                  Peace Rev.

                                  The ahadeeth of the Schools of muslim thought are very much like not letting people think. It tells people how to eat, which hand to eat with, how to trim their pubic hair, when they should cut this or that. It is very detailed in alot of everyday activities one should do. It's like instead of living your life you're born with a book in your hand telling you what should be done.

                                  Joe

                                  But why can you not eat with your left hand?

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                                    MUNZIR_ALI
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                                    But why can you not eat with your left hand?

                                    The hadhis says that, but I believe that we can eat with our left hand eat

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                                      nsws1988
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                                      They say that the left hand is meant for dirty things like cleaning yourself so you can't eat with it. I clean my hands thoroughly with soap and water and use both of my God-given hands to eat.

                                      All these teachings are fabricated and are made out that prophet Mohammed gave these teachings even though these is proof in the Quran that the prophet Mohammed was not allowed to utter any teachings other than the Quran.

                                      To muslims who do not follow the Quran alone, these hadiths are considered sacred and must be followed, which is why Alen was telling you that the men at the mosque kicked him out because he wouldn't accept the hadiths.

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                                        They say that the left hand is meant for dirty things like cleaning yourself so you can't eat with it. I clean my hands thoroughly with soap and water and use both of my God-given hands to eat.

                                        All these teachings are fabricated and are made out that prophet Mohammed gave these teachings even though these is proof in the Quran that the prophet Mohammed was not allowed to utter any teachings other than the Quran.

                                        To muslims who do not follow the Quran alone, these hadiths are considered sacred and must be followed, which is why Alen was telling you that the men at the mosque kicked him out because he wouldn't accept the hadiths.

                                        Yes I see that. But what would they do if the lost there right hand in an accident? You are lucky in a sense, from what I understand, at least the Quran and the hadiths are separate. In Christianity the whole bible has been changed to include similar things to your hadiths, much more difficult trying to work out which is orriginal and which was introduced to make it "fit"

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                                          MUNZIR_ALI
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                                          Yes I see that. But what would they do if the lost there right hand in an accident? You are lucky in a sense, from what I understand, at least the Quran and the hadiths are separate. In Christianity the whole bible has been changed to include similar things to your hadiths, much more difficult trying to work out which is orriginal and which was introduced to make it "fit"

                                          I find the hadhis more confusing than quran!

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