Beating wife theory is negated by Qur'aan=4:34

No longer a Sunna-rejecter

But where is the punishment for wives for their Nashooz?

Advise, is it called punishment anywhere?

Remove her away to seperate bed inside the bed room--don't have sex with her--who calls it punishment? For healthy husband it is other way round, self punishment.

Remove her from bed room into other part of the house---is it punishment?

Women also have their needs laugh

unknownuser

But where is the punishment for wives for their Nashooz?

Advise, is it called punishment anywhere?

Remove her away to seperate bed inside the bed room--don't have sex with her--who calls it punishment? For healthy husband it is other way round, self punishment.

Remove her from bed room into other part of the house---is it punishment?

Dear brother, I agree with you, am asking q_student who implied "nushuz has to be punished" and according to him 434 says "punish her" so where is punishment of husband is mentioned? when nushuz on part of husband is mentioned it says why the two different remedies for same act? Is nushuz of husband different than nushuz of wife?

Mazhar

Women also have their needs laugh

But the "toleration" level of majority is quite different. A wife seldom asks for it. And even if she reflects it this would be like a very weak pleasant odor whithered away quickly in air.

Samia

Women also have their needs laugh

The funny thing is when nushuz is explained by traditionalists as (when the wife refuses to sleep with the husband). It will be silly to consider such an act as a punishment to the wife, when actually she would say "good riddance"!

Mazhar

Dear brother, I agree with you, am asking q_student who implied "nushuz has to be punished" and according to him 434 says "punish her" so where is punishment of husband is mentioned? when nushuz on part of husband is mentioned it says why the two different remedies for same act? Is nushuz of husband different than nushuz of wife?

If you please see there also the matter is taken towards

unknownuser

If you please see there also the matter is taken towards

yes for the same reason I've underlined it ;D

one more word to notice in that verse is ahsaan

Mazhar

yes for the same reason I've underlined it ;D

one more word to notice in that verse is ahsaan

There is one thing more and that can happen inside the bed room.

And this attitude of the husband is not for reason of some negative "physical" reasons in wife. Here the intention is to take money/assets from wife which is evident from . In Urdu ahsaan might convey a different perception from Arabic, where equity, proportion, balanced is the perception, when things are in appropriate measure making it look beautiful for the eyes of onlooker.

Q_student

Who calls Nashooz=Betrayal??

Peace

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Would you please tranlate it ? and tell us how does it differ from "betrayal'?
Regards

No longer a Sunna-rejecter

I'd say "nushuz" means "disloyalty".

Samia

Peace

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Would you please tranlate it ? and tell us how does it differ from "betrayal'?
Regards

I told you, you can easily detect the additions and manipulations of these dictionaries. It says rising up "against obeying him"! The addition is "obeying him". God does not command any human to obey any other.
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O you who believe! when it is said unto you, Make room! in assemblies, then make room; Allah will make way for you (hereafter). And when it is said, Come up higher! go up higher; Allah will exalt those who believe among you, and those who have knowledge, to high ranks. Allah is Informed of what you do.

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and look at the bones, how we shall make them stand up and clothe them with flesh.

Can't see any "betrayal", but rising high and standing up

Q_student

I told you, you can easily detect the additions and manipulations of these dictionaries. It says rising up "against obeying him"! The addition is "obeying him". God does not command any human to obey any other.
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O you who believe! when it is said unto you, Make room! in assemblies, then make room; Allah will make way for you (hereafter). And when it is said, Come up higher! go up higher; Allah will exalt those who believe among you, and those who have knowledge, to high ranks. Allah is Informed of what you do.

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and look at the bones, how we shall make them stand up and clothe them with flesh.

Can't see any "betrayal", but rising high and standing up

Peace
It is your own lack of knowledge that you are trying to spit on the Moon.
Learn to consult dictionaries sister.
You cannot translate such a small sentence?? which defines Nashooz.Very strange.

What is the translation of
?
Regards

Samia

Peace
It is your own lack of knowledge that you are trying to spit on the Moon.
Learn to consult dictionaries sister.

It's your lack of reasoning that you do not understand the qur'aan and how to read it and search meanings of words from it.
Learn to trust the qur'aan to give you answers.

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What is the translation of
?

Another level of ignorance...
You do not test me

Q_student

It's your lack of reasoning that you do not understand the qur'aan and how to read it and search meanings of words from it.
Learn to trust the qur'aan to give you answers.

698

Another level of ignorance...
You do not test me

Peace
If you have some knowledge translate above two sentences. How can you understand Quran without Arabic knowledge.It is very much essential.You can consult dictioanries if you like.
Regards

Mazhar

Peace

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Would you please tranlate it ? and tell us how does it differ from "betrayal'?
Regards

When dictionary compilers add their personal whims and idiosyncracies while defining the meanings of a word they do nothing except belittling themselves. This man has translated the word by alleging three allegations; . It is not necessary in .

is merely listening and affectionately accepting the word/saying of him. It is not obeying. Obeying i.e. to do or act as told is the stage after it and for that in Arabic the Root is " " not " ". And the third act included is nothing but absurd allegation; not even remotely related to nushooz.

As Sisiter has quoted the verses, it is only standing erect before her husband; which implies non cooperative attitude; to maintain and adhere to one's self opinion and posture and not take the other seriously or respectfully. To stand respectfully for some is and otherwise stand erect is .

The allegaion comprising definition can not be translated as betray.

be?tray
(past and past participle be?trayed, present participle be?tray?ing, 3rd person present singular be?trays)
transitive verb

help enemy to harm or be disloyal to a country or another person by helping an enemy or giving information that is confidential
surrender somebody or something treacherously to deliver somebody or something to an enemy
He betrayed his own brother to the secret police.
go against promise to act in a way that is contrary to a promise made
"If an intelligent person is betrayed repeatedly, and humiliated publicly, yet chooses to remain in that situation, one must ask what are the rewards?" (Gail Sheehy Vanity Fair February 1999)
reveal something to show something, often unintentionally
She said nothing, but her bright eyes betrayed her excitement

Microsoft? Encarta?

unknownuser

Peace

What is the translation of
?
Regards

Abdullah (lightly) beat (disobedient)Zaid (with an xtra small miswaak)

Samia

Abdullah (lightly) beat (disobedient)Zaid (with an xtra small miswaak)

HAHAHA! Brilliant!
You forgot one thing (anywhere but not on the face)

aqua

I have written an article on verse 434 of the Qur'an, a verse which has commonly been misinterpreted to justify violence against women. I have created a website to publish this article www.quranverse434.com

Mazhar

After such elaborate effort the conclusion is still erroneous by the use of word "abandon".

a?ban?don
verb (past and past participle a?ban?doned, present participle a?ban?don?ing, 3rd person present singular a?ban?dons)

vt leave somebody behind to leave somebody or something behind for others to look after, especially somebody or something meant to be a personal responsibility
pets abandoned by their owners
vt leave place because of danger to leave a place or vehicle, especially for reasons of safety and without intending to return soon
had to abandon their vehicles in the snow
vt renounce something to renounce or reject something previously done or used
The practice was abandoned long ago.
vt give up control of something to surrender control of something completely to somebody else
As troops closed in the town was abandoned to its fate.
vt halt something in progress to stop doing something before it is completed, usually because of difficulty or danger
abandoning the rescue attempt
or a?ban?don your?selfvr give in to emotion to give yourself over to a powerful emotion
He abandoned himself to his grief.

noun
lack of restraint complete lack of inhibition or self-restraint

Conjunction Waw links the verb with the previous verb which is associated with the bedroom. Therefore, following verb has to be related to the Bedroom, that is why it is not required to repeat "unil mazaje". Migrating a wife within the bed room is obviously suspension of sexual relationship. But wife and husband remaining within the bed room does reflect to others continuation of sexual aspect of matrimonial life. Showing the door of bed room to wives will make it open secret for others in the house and family that this couple has suspended sexual relationship and danger of their eventual break up is imminent. Others are now required to intervene to avert danger of permanent seperation.

aqua

After such elaborate effort the conclusion is still erroneous by the use of word "abandon".

Having compared the English dictionary definitions of the word 'abandon' and 'shun', I feel 'shun' will provide the more appropriate meaning in verse 434

'Shun' definitions

To keep away from (a place, person, object, etc.), from motives of dislike, caution, etc.; take pains to avoid.

http//dictionary.reference.com/browse/shun

To avoid deliberately; keep away from.

http//www.thefreedictionary.com/shun

To persistently avoid, ignore, or reject (someone or something) through antipathy or caution he shunned fashionable society'.

http//www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/shun

I have updated my article with this translation.

Mazhar

Having compared the English dictionary definitions of the word 'abandon' and 'shun', I feel 'shun' will provide the more appropriate meaning in verse 434

'Shun' definitions

To keep away from (a place, person, object, etc.), from motives of dislike, caution, etc.; take pains to avoid.

http//dictionary.reference.com/browse/shun

To avoid deliberately; keep away from.

http//www.thefreedictionary.com/shun

To persistently avoid, ignore, or reject (someone or something) through antipathy or caution he shunned fashionable society'.

http//www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/shun

I have updated my article with this translation.

This also does not match the Arabic verb. In this English verb the impact is upon the doer not the object. It means to avoid something or somebody intentionally; this connotation is already present in the previous verb. On the contrary the impact of action of both the verbs is upon the wives not the subject of verb.
The basic perception of the Root " " is "the making a thing to fall upon another thing". The conceptual meaning of the Root lead us to the fact that it is primarily associative and collocative in essence. That is why I say that the word level equivalence can be seen in English word "strike". It denotes; to fall or shine on something; to make something noticed; make something to be perceived or become audible-understandable for someone; to make some idea enter somebody's mind or occur to somebody; to penetrate or seem to go right through something; make something by stamping; and to remove something away-displace. And taking support and help of other words its use signifies to hit somebody or something with a hand, tool, weapon, or other object. Obvious intention in such strike is to hurt, damage, dislocate, dislodge, deform, shape or stamp the target with force. Moreover, support words will be required if the intention of the speaker is to indicate the instance as involving repeated strikes to reflect what is denoted by English word "beating"; punishment in which somebody is repeatedly hit.

Thereat, politely and lovingly advise them;
And you husbands shift them away within the bedrooms;
And you people strike transit them out of the bedrooms open in house rendering the suspended matrimonial relation apparent to entire family.